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Court Blocks Study Of Ancient Bones Pending Appeal (Kennewick Man)
SF Gate ^ | 2020-2003

Posted on 02/23/2003 5:14:18 PM PST by blam

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:52 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Eight anthropologists who want to study an ancient skeleton must want until a federal court has heard an appeal of the case by four Northwest tribes that consider the bones sacred.

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' decision, made last week, prevents any study of the 9,300-year-old skeleton known as Kennewick Man, which scientists have sought to examine since 1996.


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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: ancient; anthropology; archaeology; blocks; bones; clovis; court; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; kennewick; kennewickman; ninthcircuit; preclovis; precolumbian; study
Again!!
1 posted on 02/23/2003 5:14:18 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Kennewick Man

2 posted on 02/23/2003 5:15:37 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Not again. I thought this was settled.
3 posted on 02/23/2003 5:15:46 PM PST by Jean S
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To: blam
Someone ought to tell those Indians to back off or we'll study their bones.
4 posted on 02/23/2003 5:17:45 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: JeanS
This chap could well turn out to be other than an American Indian. They should at least let the truth be determined before he is buried. By the way, I agree with Indians that it stinks that their ancestors are unearthed and displayed in museums.
5 posted on 02/23/2003 5:18:55 PM PST by Righty1
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To: blam
So why are you posting a picture of Jean-Luc Picard?
6 posted on 02/23/2003 5:22:22 PM PST by oldsalt
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To: blam
"Kennewick Man?"

That bust looks like "Star Trek" man.


7 posted on 02/23/2003 5:23:03 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: Righty1
"By the way, I agree with Indians that it stinks that their ancestors are unearthed and displayed in museums."

The article says these remains are estimated to be 9,300 years old. Do the Indians or any other group have proprietary rights to ancient remains?

8 posted on 02/23/2003 5:25:03 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: Righty1
"This chap could well turn out to be other than an American Indian. They should at least let the truth be determined before he is buried. By the way, I agree with Indians that it stinks that their ancestors are unearthed and displayed in museums."

There are no Native American/American Indian (as we know them today) skeletons ever found in North America that are older than 6,000 years. The skeletons prior to 6,000 years ago belong to another racial group, like Kennewick Man(9,300yo), Spirit Cave Man (9,400yo), Buhl Woman (reburied) and etc.

9 posted on 02/23/2003 5:25:41 PM PST by blam
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To: Righty1
When portions of Jamestown VA became an archaological site, some of my ancestor's remains ended up on display in a museum.

We feel privileged to help advance knowledge of those times.

Now, when we get to the Colville, Nez Perce, Umatilla and Yakama, we already know enough about Kennewick Man to suspect that the real motive these guys have is to hide the fact that their ancestors butchered and ate him!

10 posted on 02/23/2003 5:26:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: oldsalt
So why are you posting a picture of Jean-Luc Picard?

LOL - I thought it was Yul Brenner!

11 posted on 02/23/2003 5:26:41 PM PST by GaltMeister
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To: blam

Spirit Cave Man (The oldest mummy ever discovered in America, 9,400yo)

12 posted on 02/23/2003 5:27:52 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' decision, made last week, prevents any study of the 9,300-year-old skeleton known as Kennewick Man,

The morons in the 9th U.S. Circuit Court strike again.
13 posted on 02/23/2003 5:29:08 PM PST by aruanan
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To: blam
"like Kennewick Man(9,300yo), Spirit Cave Man (9,400yo), Buhl Woman (reburied) and etc."

I like this way of labeling people. We could talk about how "Texas Man" will ignore "Cheese-Eating Surrender Man" and is going to deal with "Beret-wearing, Blown-to-Smithereens Man".

14 posted on 02/23/2003 5:30:50 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: muawiyah
Vintage Skulls (It looks like more skulls of this racial group were found in Mexico)
15 posted on 02/23/2003 5:30:50 PM PST by blam
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To: muawiyah
The dammage to indian COMMERCIAL claims. What happens when it is tangibly provent the indians were only one of many? Does that mean I am able to open a casino on my land?

Indians came here like everyone else. Indians never owned the land. They thought they were cheating the dutch by selling manhatan. Their thoughts were that no one can "own" an island. They were wrong.
16 posted on 02/23/2003 5:31:15 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: blam
After we finish playing "Cowboys and Muslims" it seems we are gonna have to play "Cowboys and Injuns" again.

So9

17 posted on 02/23/2003 5:34:26 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (Republicans for Sharpton)
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To: Righty1
"By the way, I agree with Indians that it stinks that their ancestors are unearthed and displayed in museums."

Given its age, it is unlikely to be the ancestor of any of these tribes. They're simply assuming it is and their prime motivation for assuming so is political. Get over it.
18 posted on 02/23/2003 5:35:04 PM PST by aruanan
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To: 7 x 77
lol
19 posted on 02/23/2003 5:39:44 PM PST by Red Boots
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To: 7 x 77
"The oldest human remains found in the Americas were recently "discovered" in the storeroom of Mexico's National Museum of Anthropology. Found in central Mexico in 1959, the five skulls were radiocarbon dated by a team of researchers from the United Kingdom and Mexico and found to be 13,000 years old. They pre-date the Clovis culture by a couple thousand years, adding to the growing evidence against the Clovis-first model for the first peopling of the Americas.

Of additional significance is the shape of the skulls, which are described as long and narrow, very unlike those of modern Native Americans.

20 posted on 02/23/2003 5:51:22 PM PST by blam
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To: Servant of the Nine
"After we finish playing "Cowboys and Muslims" it seems we are gonna have to play "Cowboys and Injuns" again."

Do you mean "cowboys" in the sense that cowboys will again stand tall in the face of a savage land and people and help build a just civilization?
21 posted on 02/23/2003 5:59:46 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: blam
The tribes want to bury the bones of the man who they refer to as "the Ancient One."....

at their new World Class Casino where the opening act will be by Bono?
22 posted on 02/23/2003 6:11:47 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Righty1
By the way, I agree with Indians that it stinks that their ancestors are unearthed and displayed in museums.

The Teutons Goths Vandals And Huns
Germany, colour language: German, English, Polish, Hungarian, Russian, Danish, and Swedish/English Subtitles
production: ZDF Enterprises, Germany runtime: 60 min

This four part series examines the great barbaric invasions of Europe by using interviews with archaeologists and the creation of colourful and vivid renectments create a vivid picture of events.

The first episode traces the movements of the Germanic Teuton and Cimrion tribes who set out from Jutland in 120 BC in search of plentiful food and a warmer climate. 20 years later the Cimbrians met their fate at the hands of the Romans in northern Italy.
The second episode examines the Battle of Varus at which Romans suffered a disastrous defeat at the hand of the Cheruscans in 9 AD. This part also traces the movements of Gothic tribes across Baltic Sea from Scandinavia to new settlements in Central Europe.
The third episode examines the invasion of the Huns in 375 AD in East Europe. The army of the Huns appeared where they weren't expected and were known as the most hideous fighters. They were fast and extremely brutal. Due to their organizing abilities and obedience the Huns became a danger for all of Europe. The Germanic people were forced to leave their homes and Gothics, Vandals, Franks and Alemanni were pushed southwest with some wandering for generations. In 410 AD, the Goths arrive in Rome and capture the city.
The fourth episode: Expelled from the Franks the Visigoths move further to Spain at the beginning of the 6th century. They settled in the former Roman provinces of Spain that became their new kingdom. The Gothic King Leovigild defeated the soldiers of Rome and established a Gothic empire on the Iberian isle while the Ostrogoth tribe, after settling down in Italy, slowly died out. In the North of Europe the Angles, Saxons and Jutes fought each other and the Franks, settling down in Germany and France became the founders of the Holy Roman Empire. The mediaeval Europe is formed by the coronation of Karl the Great in 800.

Each week they'd take an appropriate skull from the collection in the Buda-Pest Museum, and reconstruct the facial features to illustrate the episode.
Did it stink that my "ancestors are unearthed and displayed in museums"?
No, and this was 1900 years ago, not 9000. First Peoples need to get a life.

23 posted on 02/23/2003 6:20:57 PM PST by Oztrich Boy
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To: blam
bump
24 posted on 02/23/2003 6:24:56 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: longtermmemmory
They thought they were cheating the dutch by selling manhatan. Their thoughts were that no one can "own" an island. They were wrong.

Actually while there wasn't much of a sense of individual ownership there was tribal ownership of lands. And as to the selling of Manhattan, the tribe that sold it didn't own it in the first place.

25 posted on 02/23/2003 6:25:31 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sometimes "peace" is another word for surrender.)
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To: blam
The Indians should have no claim on these remains unless and until it has been positively proved that these are the remains of their ancestors. At this moment, there is no such conclusive evidence.

The only hope for arriving at a definitive conclusion lies with a thorough scientific examination of the bones. This is an issue that should be decided by science, not politics and biased courts.

26 posted on 02/23/2003 6:29:12 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining
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To: 7 x 77
Do you mean "cowboys" in the sense that cowboys will again stand tall in the face of a savage land and people and help build a just civilization?

Yeah, that's part of it.

So9

27 posted on 02/23/2003 6:47:38 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (Republicans for Sharpton)
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To: blam
I was just thinking that the Indians could shoot themselves in the foot with this one in that there is a chance that there could be a legal declaration that these are not Indian remains thus blowing there claims out of the water. I then thought "Wonder which court this was? I bet I could guess" and lo and behold "The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' decision"

Go figure.

28 posted on 02/23/2003 6:58:02 PM PST by MigrantOkie
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To: blam
La Brea Woman
29 posted on 02/23/2003 7:52:04 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Thanks. I don't know La Brea Woman.

The La Brea Woman

The only prehistoric human remains uncovered in the Rancho La Brea area were those of the La Brea Woman, found in 1914. Excavators uncovered a woman's skull and partial skeleton. La Brea Woman had died about 9,000 years ago. She was believed to have been about 22-24 years old and stood about 4 feet 10 inches (1.5 meters) tall. Wear on her surviving teeth indicated a diet of stone-ground meal. Her skull was fractured which suggests that a blow to the head may have killed her. She might just be L.A.'s first known case of homicide. A broken grinding stone and the remains of a domestic dog were found nearby.

30 posted on 02/23/2003 8:10:52 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
I believe the scientists have stashed some DNA that they are studying. Just common sense. But they'll never be able to share the results with the world until this nonsense is resolved.
31 posted on 02/24/2003 7:54:38 AM PST by JudyB1938 (It's a wild world. There's a lot of bad and beware.)
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