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A New Move on Estrada ('Tain't over yet!)
National Review Online ^ | 2/28/2003 | Byron York

Posted on 02/28/2003 8:19:40 AM PST by ArcLight

Edited on 02/28/2003 10:00:33 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

In perhaps its most forceful effort yet to break the stalemate over the appeals-court nomination of Miguel Estrada, the White House has now invited every member of the Senate who has doubts about Estrada's legal views to submit written questions to Estrada by the close of business Friday. In a letter delivered Thursday to all 100 senators, White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales said Estrada will respond by next Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; byronyork; democrats; estrada; estradafilibuster; gop; senate
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To: Howlin
The guy that didn't listen to me ; )
151 posted on 02/28/2003 10:34:12 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: hobbes1
But the learned will have read my posts on the matter beforhand... ; )

Which eloquently back up my reasoning.

152 posted on 02/28/2003 10:34:47 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rally for America, March 2, Nautica in the Flats, Cleveland Ohio)
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To: dubyaismypresident
ROTFL....
153 posted on 02/28/2003 10:35:21 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: OldFriend
OldFriend, I pray that you are right.
154 posted on 02/28/2003 10:35:35 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: dubyaismypresident
The entire textbook, on this front of the war is posted at 70.
155 posted on 02/28/2003 10:35:45 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: TLBSHOW
Is your single solution to go 24/7, chest to chest, bloody mother of all battles? And that makes the Republicans seem in touch with who in a country that lists Iraq, terrorism and the economy as their top three concerns? That's why, you would make just the kind of Republican strategist the Dems would prefer, like taking candy from a baby.


156 posted on 02/28/2003 10:37:13 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: Carolinamom
If I am wrong I will admit it and say so on the forum. I doubt I am but will say so if I am.

Point is this is not about me but not allowing the rats to do this to The President and the constitution and the American people that voted for the Republican landslide in November 2002.
157 posted on 02/28/2003 10:37:19 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
Since you're managing to find all kinds of other stuff to post, I take it you can't back up your statement.

We can add this to the list of 1,001 questions TLBSHOW hasn't answered on FR this very month.

158 posted on 02/28/2003 10:37:40 AM PST by Howlin (Time to pull the trigger!)
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To: jwalsh07
I believe a filibuster is a win-win situation for the American people. The public will get a view of the Dems obstructionism, plus the senate will not be able to do any damage to our pocketbooks or freedoms if the Democrats are talking non-stop to block the vote on the judge.
159 posted on 02/28/2003 10:38:13 AM PST by Re-electNobody
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To: Howlin
along with did you remember to take your medication today ?
160 posted on 02/28/2003 10:38:28 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: Re-electNobody
see 156.
161 posted on 02/28/2003 10:39:00 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: TLBSHOW
On more than one occasion you have stated, "I'm always right."
162 posted on 02/28/2003 10:39:20 AM PST by Carolinamom (To the brave and true, nothing is difficult.)
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To: TLBSHOW
Point is this is not about me but not allowing the rats to do this to The President

But it's fine if YOU insinuate the president is a traitor, say he's in bed with terrorits, call him a commie liberal rat, and say he's just like Clinton?

Did I get that right?

(BTW, don't even TRY to deny you said that stuff. Unlike you, I HAVE the links to back up that statement.)

163 posted on 02/28/2003 10:40:19 AM PST by Howlin (Time to pull the trigger!)
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To: Howlin

Right!

We have yet to see the strategy played out!

There are things that are going on behind the scenes,
that we, Rush, and the press know anything about.
164 posted on 02/28/2003 10:40:21 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: Carolinamom
I didn't say I was not right on this thread I said if I am not right. Like I said i doubt it. Hold their feet to the fire, Rush just read the George Will story.

George F. Will: Will Bush defend the Constitution?

WASHINGTON -- The president, preoccupied with regime change elsewhere, will occupy a substantially diminished presidency unless he defeats the current attempt to alter the constitutional regime here. If at least 41 Senate Democrats succeed in blocking a vote on the confirmation of Miguel Estrada to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the Constitution effectively will be amended.

snip
. And if the president does not wage a fierce, protracted and very public fight for his nominee, he will display insufficient seriousness about the oath he swore to defend the Constitution.


..........
First call says go 24/7

165 posted on 02/28/2003 10:43:50 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Carolinamom
I didn't say I was not right on this thread I said if I am not right. Like I said i doubt it. Hold their feet to the fire, Rush just read the George Will story.

George F. Will: Will Bush defend the Constitution?

WASHINGTON -- The president, preoccupied with regime change elsewhere, will occupy a substantially diminished presidency unless he defeats the current attempt to alter the constitutional regime here. If at least 41 Senate Democrats succeed in blocking a vote on the confirmation of Miguel Estrada to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the Constitution effectively will be amended.

snip
. And if the president does not wage a fierce, protracted and very public fight for his nominee, he will display insufficient seriousness about the oath he swore to defend the Constitution.


..........
First call says go 24/7

166 posted on 02/28/2003 10:44:37 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
I am not in opposition to a real filibuster but the issue is the quorum call and having 51 senators present...
167 posted on 02/28/2003 10:45:08 AM PST by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
What do WE know "for sure" about Estrada?

Wouldn't it be ironic if, after all this hoorah, he turned out to be another Stephen Breyer?
168 posted on 02/28/2003 10:45:12 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Howlin
If there are no issues with which to disagree, the Democrats and their enablers (with credit to MissMarple), play create-an-issue and attempt to fashion their arguments out of thin air.

Those who have no thoughts of their own are like desperate thieves....stealing even the baseless rants of the ill-informed.

169 posted on 02/28/2003 10:45:19 AM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: Howlin
It seems clear to me, if it's good enough for the Ginsberg, it's good enough for the Estrada.

ABA guidelines prohibit comment by judges on cases which may come before them.

Ginsberg refused questions saying it would not be appropriate for her to comment in a legislative forum how she would decide in a judicial one.

It is a tactic to deflate the rat condom.

In the interim rats have been exposed as mired in politics as our people are on the eve of war.

It is not flashy--but flashy burns things down in tragedy.

It is calm, reasoned, and will succeed.

170 posted on 02/28/2003 10:48:02 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Howlin
It seems clear to me, if it's good enough for the Ginsberg, it's good enough for the Estrada.

ABA guidelines prohibit comment by judges on cases which may come before them.

Ginsberg refused questions saying it would not be appropriate for her to comment in a legislative forum how she would decide in a judicial one.

It is a tactic to deflate the rat condom.

In the interim rats have been exposed as mired in politics as our people are on the eve of war.

It is not flashy--but flashy burns things down in tragedy.

It is calm, reasoned, and will succeed.

171 posted on 02/28/2003 10:49:18 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: BJR
Again, novak states the obvious situation and somehow gets FReepers to think its some sort of revelation. What did you think would happen if we had less than 60 votes two weeks ago ? Did you actually think we could win without it ? did you actually think something the R's could say or do would change that ? Did you actually think a 24/7 forced fillibuster would cause the rats to change ?

Maybe what is obvious and plan to me is some sort of revelation to other freepers. The minute the rats said they were not going to allow cloture the battle for Estrada was lost, over, dead, nada, zilch, zapped .

Thats old news.

The issue today is how to get him appointed in spite of the filibuster ability of the rats.

172 posted on 02/28/2003 10:53:33 AM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: woodyinscc
I just called my Senators offices, one understood my outrage, the other one was like I interrupted her day and
wanted my name and phone number.
173 posted on 02/28/2003 10:54:55 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: All
Instead of whining, call the Senate people.
174 posted on 02/28/2003 10:54:57 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.")
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To: hobbes1
along with did you remember to take your medication today ?

LOL.

175 posted on 02/28/2003 10:59:13 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Rally for America, March 2, Nautica in the Flats, Cleveland Ohio)
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To: Howlin
Am I right in understanding when Frist proposes cloture and it is defeated....Reid is on automatic pilot to object, then the talking continues? If this happens, and I see it most likely to happen, THEN Frist can keep the Senate open 24/7. Please correct me if I'm reading this wrong.
176 posted on 02/28/2003 10:59:35 AM PST by Carolinamom (To the brave and true, nothing is difficult.)
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To: AFPhys
One indication is that they haven't made the RATs do a real filibuster.
177 posted on 02/28/2003 11:02:19 AM PST by clintonh8r (It is better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: TLBSHOW; Howlin; Miss Marple
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/853356/posts

Frist told Fox News that he had no choice but to call the Democrats' bluff on the filibuster. A vote is scheduled for next Tuesday.

"I would think the battle is just beginning. At that juncture, we would know who we need to talk to. I've got a feeling, I've got a sense that Democrats are entrenched, and our goal is to pull them out of those trenches. It may take a few days. It may take a few weeks — it may take months —but it's my goal to pull them out of those trenches."


What of the above do you not understand?

"gifter" I've asked you several times on various threads just how you make the democrats talk/debate if they don't want to when they have 41+ votes at this time? You've evaded that question like you've never read it but you have because you answered the post with some inane answer or cut/paste.

Are you incapable of answering simple questions? You claim the democrats can be made to talk. All I'm asking you is how? Please explain that to the forum if you can. So far you've not been able to.

All the democrats have to do is keep someone in the chamber to object to unanimous request that maybe posed by the Republicans to schedule a vote. A vote can't be taken until the democrats agree or there are 60 votes to invoke cloture... Can you understand that simple thing? Or are simple things to complicated for you to understand?

178 posted on 02/28/2003 11:04:29 AM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: TLBSHOW
If I am wrong I will admit it and say so on the forum. I doubt I am but will say so if I am.

You're wrong.

Rush just announced that he received calls from the offices of Hatch and Santorum that there will not be a cloture vote. Rush is renewed and invigorated.

I'll refrain from saying "I told you so".

(oops, guess I just did. Sorry! Couldn't resist)

179 posted on 02/28/2003 11:09:51 AM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush)
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To: woodyinscc
Haven't had time to catch up with all of this thread yet, but Santorum's office just called Rush's office and said the Fox story was wrong -- no cloture vote Tuesday (Rush is glad) -- they did say some members are getting nervous about other business not being done. (Which members, Democrat or Republican?) And that they are trying to get as close to a "real" filibuster as possible although it may not be 24/7. Rush seems to be feeling a little better based on these representations. He's come down hard on the Republicans today which I hope will help encourage them to stay the course on Estrada. It's crucial.
180 posted on 02/28/2003 11:10:56 AM PST by GOPrincess
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To: ArcLight
DOOLITTLE'S FLIGHT FAILS TO WIN WAR (My Title)

April 19, 1942

[excerpt]
Yesterday, a flight of bombers led by aviator Jimmy Doolittle bombed Tokyo as well as several other cities.

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This is unbelievable! What are we, wimps! We can't even kill their so-called "Emporer" when we fly right over their city. I swear, we should just give up now.

Posted by FDRsucks!

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You got that! I mean, it's been 4 whole months and we can barely get a small unit of bombers to make a run on Tokyo?!? We are a paper tiger!

Posted by CoolidgeLives!

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Ironic that his name was "Doolittle", huh?

Posted by NeverForgetPearlHarbor

*sigh*

If Freerepublic had existed back then.

181 posted on 02/28/2003 11:19:55 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Howlin; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; TLBSHOW; hobbes1
Here's my plan...The Senate is on recess next week. Start the War in Iraq this weekend, come out Monday and say that we can no longer afford to have the Senate tied up in partisan politics while a war is raging, and appoint Estrada by recess appointment (one year) Then bring his appointment up again next year when it is only 9 months before the election.

You will have established a oneyear record on Estrada.

The Dems right now think this obstruction will be forgotten because it's still almost two years til the next election...this will change that.

It will be impossible to argue that Estrada is not suited for a positino he has already held for a year.

182 posted on 02/28/2003 11:20:28 AM PST by ez ("Stable and free nations do not breed ... ideologies of murder. "- GWB)
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To: ez
Thanks. I said that last week.
183 posted on 02/28/2003 11:22:18 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: justshe
Listen, it is time to call this what it is, RACISM! They could care less about the Constitution or Senate procedure. When this becomes a who is being racist argument then the Rats will feel the heat. They are keeping a Wetback on the Lettuce Farm and working next to the blacks on the Plantation. This is the worst form of Demoracism.

Pray for GW and the Truth.

184 posted on 02/28/2003 11:22:56 AM PST by bray
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To: clintonh8r
One indication is that they haven't made the RATs do a real filibuster.


How do you do this? I've asked TLBSHOW as that's his big thing is that they should be made to talk 24/7.... My question is how do you do this if they don't want to talk? I know of no rules in the Senate that can force someone or group to talk 24/7....
185 posted on 02/28/2003 11:25:20 AM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: deport
I've asked you several times on various threads just how you make the democrats talk/debate if they don't want to when they have 41+ votes at this time?

I'll answer that question for you.

The bill will come to the floor when scheduled, at that time, each Senator who request a floor time will get it.

Unlike the House, there are no time limits on the Senate so each Senator can hold the floor as long as they want.

Before each Senator who has requested floor time has yeilded the floor, the only way to stop the debate is by a vote of cloture, which currently requires 60 votes.

Even if a vote of cloture is not possible, the Republicans can go ahead and start the debate process by scheduling the vote.

If each member who requests time on the floor has yielded the floor at least once, then a simple majority of 51 could end debate and the vote would be taken.

If the Republicans do this, the Democrats would be forced to "Filibuster" by continuing to speak and thus not yield the floor.

If all the Democrats refuse to take the floor, then the vote would be held. This is what "forces" them to talk, the fact that the vote will come up as soon as they stop talking.

186 posted on 02/28/2003 11:27:01 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: ken5050
I just heard on Rush's show that Fox News Story about a cloture vote is false. Rush heard from Orrin Hatch's office for one thing about it. So don't believe all that you hear in the media about this Estrada nomination including Fox.
187 posted on 02/28/2003 11:28:26 AM PST by bradactor
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To: ez
The Senate is on recess next week.


Where did you get that? The next scheduled recess is Easter.... Apr. 14 - 25.....

They are scheduled to take up the Estrada nomination again on Monday, Mar. 3rd at Noon,
188 posted on 02/28/2003 11:28:52 AM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: GOPrincess
Some of us were talking last night that the Fox Story was wrong about a vote. I thought Major Garrett had it totally wrong as he didn't even get what happened Wenesday night's vote right. It was only a Quorum Call not a vote to end debate.

I finally got sick and tired of the naysayers on that thread and got off the computer.

Thanks for posting what I just heard!
189 posted on 02/28/2003 11:30:05 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: ArcLight
Sorry the site locked up.

Breaking
Rush just had a call from Hatch and he says that the fox story is not correct and there is no vote for Tuesday and that to have a real filibuster like the past can't happen because the senate changed the rules about 20 years ago? Anyone know about that one?

The battle does go on we are told.....

that is good news....I hope!

Oh and Rick's office called Rush too!

So I was wrong and the fox story was wrong where I based my thoughts on this from this.

in other news

George F. Will: Will Bush defend the Constitution?
WASHINGTON -- The president, preoccupied with regime change elsewhere, will occupy a substantially diminished presidency unless he defeats the current attempt to alter the constitutional regime here. If at least 41 Senate Democrats succeed in blocking a vote on the confirmation of Miguel Estrada to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the Constitution effectively will be amended.
If Senate rules, exploited by an anticonstitutional minority, are allowed to trump the Constitution's text and two centuries of practice, the Senate's power to consent to judicial nominations will have become a Senate right to require a 60-vote supermajority for confirmations. By thus nullifying the president's power to shape the judiciary, the Democratic Party will wield a presidential power without having won a presidential election.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/national/will/story/6174754p-7129857c.html
190 posted on 02/28/2003 11:30:08 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
Prior to 1917 how many Senator did it take to block a vote?
191 posted on 02/28/2003 11:33:54 AM PST by deport (Where fools rush in..........)
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To: TLBSHOW; pro-life

PRO-LIFE BUMP!

ESTRADA RELATED THREADS

GOP to use recess to press for Estrada

24/7 sessions could pass Estrada (Will Frist call Dems filibuster bluff?)

Senate to Recess without Action on Estrada Nomination

Frist Rescinds Recess Threat, Will Allow Senate Full Week Off

192 posted on 02/28/2003 11:35:09 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: PhiKapMom

"Thanks for posting what I just heard!"

It is a ray of sunshine, coming out from all the storm clouds!!!
193 posted on 02/28/2003 11:36:06 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
bttt
194 posted on 02/28/2003 11:36:11 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW
Gee whiz! Rush was wrong! Who would have thought it!

Looking for YOUR admission of being wrong. Please post it.

195 posted on 02/28/2003 11:37:54 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: GOPrincess
Good...I was listening to Rush on my way to pick up a sammich. He was livid.

Let's see, Jeffords betrays Vermont and the rest of us and Daschle then requires a 60 vote super majority to bring anything to the senate floor. We got crap for a year.

Now, Pubbies are in control with a new shining SML and yet the Dems are still controlling the process from a minority over judicial appointments (and I guess anything else that can be filibustered)

What's wrong with this picture? Do we have to have a supermajority to pass anything?

I thought the Lott coup was supposed to change all this.

Why don't we play as tuff? I'll bet dollars to donuts Jeffords is still getting his dairy payoff.

Can Bush recess appoint Estrada?

If we lose this then the Dems will dictate the judciary from the minority.

I have to give them grudging credit...unlike us...THEY PLAY TO WIN!

rant/off
196 posted on 02/28/2003 11:38:22 AM PST by wardaddy (whip me...beat me...make me write bad checks)
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To: deport
Since that article from Fox News, Major Garrett, on Estrada's nomination turned out to be wrong -- there is no vote scheduled as both Hatch's and Santorum's offices called Rush, do you think some people on here might rethink their negativism from last night? Probably not?

One thing I would hope that people on here realize is that Fox News is made up of reporters that used to be on CNN and MSNBC and sometimes their facts are not correct. Fox is not infallible and people need to quit taking everything they say as 100% fact!

All you had to do was get to the 2nd paragraph of Garrett's article to know he wasn't telling the facts.

My mini rant!
197 posted on 02/28/2003 11:40:19 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
I am sorry. I just went back and read your statement in the middle of the post. You did admit you were wrong. I apologize. That was well done of you.

Now maybe you will learn that Rush isn't always right, and that you should think things through and get varying opinions before you start off on a tirade.

198 posted on 02/28/2003 11:40:23 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: cyncooper
I hope you are right believe me. I hope you are right.
199 posted on 02/28/2003 11:40:35 AM PST by cubreporter
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To: woodyinscc
It is a ray of sunshine. I read that Garrett article last night and starting at the 2nd paragraph I knew it was wrong but the way Freepers went after it as fact I gave up!

Heard this on Rush but I was in my car! I couldn't wait to get back on here to see if someone posted it!


200 posted on 02/28/2003 11:42:52 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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