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Pledge Ban upheld ("no under God")
Fox News.com ^ | February 28, 2002 | FOX

Posted on 02/28/2003 11:40:27 AM PST by Iron Eagle

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court on Friday rejected the Bush administration's request to reconsider its decision that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God."

The ruling means the Department of Justice's only remaining recourse is to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: godblessamerica; ingodwetrust; ipledgeallegiance; onenationundergod; pledgeban; undergod
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This one is a sure loser from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. See ya at the big house when Cert is granted.
1 posted on 02/28/2003 11:40:27 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: Iron Eagle
FLASH: The 9th Circuit Declares the Declaration of Independence null and void, given that it cites God and God-granted rights as the basis for Independence.
2 posted on 02/28/2003 11:42:52 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it!)
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To: Iron Eagle
So, they refused to hear it. That leaves the numbers voting one way or the other in doubt, but presumably it's a majority of these meatheads in favor of the original decision, or a consensus that avoids putting them on record again.
3 posted on 02/28/2003 11:48:16 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Which religion does "under God" endorse? Leaving the words out at the demands of an atheist endorses the religion of atheism, doesn't it? "All of the above" is just not always an option. Banning God endorses atheism more than "under God" endorses any particular religion.

The judicial activists strike again.

4 posted on 02/28/2003 11:50:32 AM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Iron Eagle
and who is surprised at this?

Yawn.... This will end up at the Supreme Court and they will over rule it

another reason why we need Estrada to get in
5 posted on 02/28/2003 11:51:10 AM PST by hapy
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Not to mention that the Constitution itself must be declared unconstitutional because it uses the phrase "Year of our Lord"!
6 posted on 02/28/2003 11:51:30 AM PST by smokinleroy
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To: hapy
Next up split the 9th circuit to stop this nonsense....after all the ninth is sooooo overworked with such a heavy case load they need some assistance.
7 posted on 02/28/2003 11:52:50 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: Iron Eagle
Imagine if Clinton were in he would sit back while we pledged to mother earth.
8 posted on 02/28/2003 11:52:56 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Iron Eagle
I have no problem with the under God part. The to the flag should be replaced with " to the Constitution" tho.
9 posted on 02/28/2003 11:53:09 AM PST by steve50 (neocons, the "new coke" of conservatives)
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To: Iron Eagle
Not surprising.

Have they no "sacred honor"?

10 posted on 02/28/2003 11:54:07 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Iron Eagle
I wonder what part of:

Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

that stupid court didn't notice.

11 posted on 02/28/2003 11:54:41 AM PST by GingisK
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To: Iron Eagle
Folks will now think they can't say one nation under God now, in the pledge of allegience. SICK!!!
12 posted on 02/28/2003 11:55:13 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
the 9th Circuit is filled with the kinds of judges that the DemoncRAT extremists consider "mainstream" and is why they are so aghast that normal people and particularly well qualified minorities like Estrada are nominated for such positions.
13 posted on 02/28/2003 11:57:45 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: Iron Eagle
SCOTUS will bitch-slap the the 9th Circuit so hard it will make their mothers' heads spin.
14 posted on 02/28/2003 11:59:07 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Lunatic Fringe
No less The Constitution to "...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity...."
15 posted on 02/28/2003 11:59:26 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Iron Eagle
Bump!
16 posted on 02/28/2003 12:00:02 PM PST by k2blader (Please do not feed the Tag Lion. ®oar.)
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To: RAT Patrol
Right on. And I'm sure this atheist terribly stressed over giving his daughter pocket change when it so blatantly offends her with "In God We Trust...." He needs to put his money where his mouth is and refuse to accept US currency.
17 posted on 02/28/2003 12:01:10 PM PST by ladywolf
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To: Thane_Banquo
Amen, I can't wait for the Supreme Court to undo this mess. God help us if the dems ever get they're ideal Supreme court.
18 posted on 02/28/2003 12:05:10 PM PST by Blue Scourge (If the Son has set you free, than you are Free indeed...)
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To: RAT Patrol
I dont think it matters to these A-holes, the term "under God" represents to them, that there is a greater authority than the state in existance. The Liberals dont believe in any higher power than the state.
19 posted on 02/28/2003 12:06:08 PM PST by Husker24
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To: ladywolf
You know what is funny Wolf, he's the only one bent out of shape. The daughter, and mother are both Christians and like the pledge. They do not live with the father. I saw an interview with this fool, I wonder if he has realized his daughter is already a Christian.
20 posted on 02/28/2003 12:07:48 PM PST by Blue Scourge (If the Son has set you free, than you are Free indeed...)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Nope, even if "under God" were to be totally banned, folks will still shout it out on their own. We have loud voices that ring clear. The liberals probably rarely attend events where the Pledge is said, anyhow.

Leni

21 posted on 02/28/2003 12:08:33 PM PST by MinuteGal (Escape to FReeper Island on "FReeps Ahoy" cruise. Register today or weep later!)
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To: Iron Eagle
Hey Cailfornia commies no doubt you will lose on this. Recall Davis.......
22 posted on 02/28/2003 12:09:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Blue Scourge
Newdow indeed knows his daughter and her mother are Christians. They fellowship at my church so we hear details of the case from time to time. The lawyer opposing this ruling is a Christian and spoke at our church...fantastic heart for God and accomplished in his profession.

The 9th circuit ruling is not a surprise..it was fully expected and will now go to the Supreme Court where it will be shot down completely.

23 posted on 02/28/2003 12:14:36 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: Iron Eagle
...reconsider its decision that the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional because of the phrase "under God."

That was not the decision.

24 posted on 02/28/2003 12:14:58 PM PST by mlo
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To: Iron Eagle
They had their chance to correct their asinine decision, so now they will just have to be outed as the hate-America radicals that they are. The 9th Circus Court should be dissolved since its the most tyrannical and unlawful court in the nation. Its the most overturned court in America. One year it had 27 out of 28 court decisions reversed by the SCOTUS. One also has to ask that since they have the great majority of their decisions overturned because they are unlawful, unconstitional, and pawns of a radical left agenda, made its time to disband the court since they are cheating tax payers.
25 posted on 02/28/2003 12:15:08 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
bump
26 posted on 02/28/2003 12:15:54 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: GingisK
Nobody is prohibiting your free excercise. Free excercise for others also means that the state can't impose religious requirements in its state-run schools.
28 posted on 02/28/2003 12:16:52 PM PST by mlo
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To: Iron Eagle
So they upheld a case that was bogus and a lie from the beginning?

The 9th circuit it a COMPLETE JOKE!
29 posted on 02/28/2003 12:16:53 PM PST by Mo1 (DC Chapter .. Patriots Rally for America IV .. on Saturday, March 1st)
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To: RAT Patrol
The judicial activists strike again.

The legislative religious activists struck in the fifties. That's when "under God" was added to the pledge.

30 posted on 02/28/2003 12:18:45 PM PST by jimt
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Imagine if Clinton were in he would sit back while we pledged to mother earth.

Nope. Bubba pledges to the sink.

31 posted on 02/28/2003 12:20:46 PM PST by Cobra64 (REMOVE)
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To: Iron Eagle
If the public schools will not allow the pledge including "under God", then we have to get our kids out of the public schools.

Really, why ever would anyone put his kids into the hands of people who mock everything you believe in?

My daughter is having her go-rounds with the schools; she refused to sign a "contract", a promise to be a good parent, which is sent out to every parent. It comes out of Jesse Jackson's organization. As a result she has been steadily harrassed to the point that she has now, reluctantly, decided to pull them from the public school altogether. Fortunately there are a number of private schools in the area to choose from, and in particular she has chosen a church-sponsored school that seems to be very good. Its expensive, but after a certain point, money no longer is an issue.

She has had her fights with them for years, refusing to let her kids take part in sensitiviy training sessions that conflicted with her beliefs (they start wanting to teach kids about homosexuality very young these days) but she really crossed some kind of a line when she refused the Jesse Jackson letter. They are after her now, and she needs to move quickly.

Most people just sign it, without knowing or caring what they sign. She didn't initially know it was from PUSH, she was initially just offended at the idea of "promising" to the school district to be a good parent. It was only later that she found out it was a PUSH (Jesse Jackson) program.
32 posted on 02/28/2003 12:22:35 PM PST by marron
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To: Iron Eagle
"The court said that phrase in the pledge was an endorsement of God."

I don't know what it is about that whole northwest region - from S.F. all the way up to canada (include canada).

Totally devoid of godliness - you can feel the darkness in Seattle and S.F. - it just hangs in the air.

Time for good USSC action. Pray for Dubyas reelection - two more USSC judges will be replaced over the next six years.

Pray for God's wisdom, favor, and guideance on our President and supernatural persuasion to be vested in the Godly members of the USSC.

And support Jay Seculow is you can spare some change.

33 posted on 02/28/2003 12:23:30 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: scisyhp
You cannot demand that "under God" be removed and claim that you are not "banning God."

BTW, do you think the Declaration of Independence is constitutional?

34 posted on 02/28/2003 12:25:59 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Lunatic Fringe
...God and God-granted rights as the basis for Independence

Actually, the DofI cites a "Creator", not God. So whether you believe that man was greated by nature or by a supernatural being, you're covered.

35 posted on 02/28/2003 12:26:47 PM PST by snopercod
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To: Iron Eagle
The reason this court refuses to hear it again is that they have already made fools of themselves, so why overturn their own decision and show that they also have no backbone?

This will get tossed at a higher level.

36 posted on 02/28/2003 12:27:01 PM PST by TommyDale (Give us all a break.)
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To: marron
Tell you daughter that.........



and she might want to consider it.
37 posted on 02/28/2003 12:28:01 PM PST by day10
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To: day10
that should read "tell your daughter"......hopefully my kids will do better!
38 posted on 02/28/2003 12:29:51 PM PST by day10
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do you think the Declaration of Independence is constitutional?

That is a nonsensical question. The Declaration is not an act under Constitutional control.

39 posted on 02/28/2003 12:31:11 PM PST by mlo
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To: jimt
The legislative religious activists struck in the fifties. That's when "under God" was added to the pledge.

What about the Declaration of Independence? How about the vast majority of our historical presidential speeches? What about our money? How about the prayers in congress?

FYI, the legislative process is the constitutional road. Judges should only interpret the laws. If they find the Pledge unconstitutional then a great majority of our political history is unconstitutional -- and should therefore not be mentioned in schools -- as well. That's ludicrous.

Be a God hater on your own time. Mentioning God does not endorse a religion.

40 posted on 02/28/2003 12:32:12 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: Iron Eagle
the federal Consitution forbids public schools or other governmental entities from endorsing religion.

No, the Consitution does NOT forbid anyone from speaking about God. In fact, the Constitution PROTECTS our freedom to speak OF God. Speaking of God does not endorse any religion; they must prove to which religion saying "God" does endorse. Is it the Jewish God, the Baptist God, the Catholic God, the Jehovah Witness God, the Mormon God, the Muslim God, the Pentecostal God? The Seventh Day Adventist God? Or some other religion I left out?

41 posted on 02/28/2003 12:32:46 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: mlo
Should the Declaration of Independence be taught in public schools?
42 posted on 02/28/2003 12:33:42 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: day10
Actually, she did home school when they were younger, but she is uneasy about it now that they are getting into higher grades.

Plus, step one is to disappear from the school systems radar. She is in their sights and trying to get out of their cross-hairs. You might not realize it, but if you don't toe their line, and somehow refusing to sign that letter has really triggered a response, they start building a case against you. They have actually threatened legal action; obviously not for the letter, but for some other trumped up stuff that, first, is untrue, and second, they told her they would "discuss" it as soon as she signs the letter.

She went on the offensive and they backed down, but it was sufficiently unnerving that she is pulling her two older ones out altogether.
43 posted on 02/28/2003 12:38:16 PM PST by marron
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To: Iron Eagle
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
44 posted on 02/28/2003 12:38:34 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Iron Eagle
Free Republic Highlights, 2/28/03
45 posted on 02/28/2003 12:42:29 PM PST by I Am Not A Mod
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To: RAT Patrol
Should the Declaration of Independence be taught in public schools?

Of course. So should the history of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and other religions. None of that constitutes government endorsement of religion, whereas teachers leading students in a pledge which asserts monotheism does.

46 posted on 02/28/2003 12:42:35 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: RAT Patrol
Should the Declaration of Independence be taught in public schools?

Ooooh...I don't know about that. Sounds dangerous. Might foment bad thoughts in the minds of our little ones. Nasty ideas like liberty, freedom and other such things.

47 posted on 02/28/2003 12:42:49 PM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: Iron Eagle
May the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals eat *hit and die.
48 posted on 02/28/2003 12:44:36 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: Iron Eagle
Mark my words, when the FULL gospel is preached in San Francisco by the Sons of God, they will either be on its knees asking God's forgiveness and mercy, or large portions of the city will be in the Pacific Ocean.

Now your beginning to understand what Armageddon really is. Man's final offer to accept or reject Christ's Kingdom before He returns to rule and reign.

Luke 10
8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

49 posted on 02/28/2003 12:45:04 PM PST by Russell Scott
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