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Another Souper Candidate? [The Kucinich Abortion Flip-Flop]
http://www.catholicity.com/ ^ | February 28, 2003 | Dan Coyne

Posted on 02/28/2003 1:40:17 PM PST by Akron Al

During the Great Irish Potato Famine in the mid-1800's, anti-Catholic zealots would occasionally bring large kettles of soup to Irish villages. The soup was free, but there was a catch. Before a starving Irishman could have even a sip of the soup, he would first have to renounce his Catholic faith.

So strong was the Catholic faith in Ireland at the time that many starved to death rather than selling their souls. However, a few did drink the soup. They became known as "soupers" -- a derisive label that would stick to their families for generations.

Today, we are witnessing a similar real-life morality play. Only this one doesn't involve Irish farmers starving for food. This one involves ambitious politicians starving for power. The soup these politicians are being asked to drink is a concoction of lies and distortions brewed up by the radical feminists and abortion profiteers who now control the Democratic Party. The reward for drinking this soup of death is the right to run for president as a Democrat.

Perhaps not surprisingly, Teddy Kennedy was among those first in line for a taste of the soup. In a 1971 letter, the then pro-life Teddy Kennedy wrote, "The legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old." By 1980, Teddy had sipped the soup and was running for President as an outspoken supporter of abortion.

Likewise Jesse Jackson, before deciding to run for president, called abortion "black genocide." In 1977, Jackson wrote an article for National Right to Life News that said: "It takes three to make a baby: a man, a woman and the Holy Spirit. What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually?" By 1988, Jackson had also sipped the soup and was running for President as an outspoken supporter of abortion.

Al Gore and Dick Gephardt are two more former pro-lifers who indulged in the soup and discarded their support for the unborn in preparation for a run for the presidency. And of course, few have gulped down the soup of death with the gusto of Bill Clinton, a man well known for his insatiable appetites. In a 1986 letter to Arkansas Right to Life, Clinton wrote: "I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions because so many people believe abortion is wrong." As we all know, Clinton went on to become the most radically pro-abortion President in our nation's history.

56-year-old Congressman Dennis Kucinich appears to be the latest addition to the Democratic Souper Club. Over a long political career, Kucinich maintained a near perfect pro-life voting record. As recently as last May, Kucinich press secretary, Kathie Scarrah, stated: "He absolutely believes in the sanctity of life and that life begins at conception." Then Kucinich began to think about running for President. It was time for some soup.

Less than a week after announcing his decision to explore the possibility of running for president, Kucinich wrote a letter to his local newspaper, The Cleveland Plain Dealer, wherein he publicly renounced his long held pro-life position: "I don't believe in abortion; few do. I do, however, believe in choice." In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Kucinich goes even further; not ruling out his support for publicly funded free abortions for poor women. "I am going to continue to take a thoughtful approach, and that doesn't preclude the poor from having the government support their right to choose." Amazingly, Kucinich has been trying to make the argument that his position on this fundamental issue has not really changed. "The position I'm taking now is an expansion; it's not a reversal," Kucinich told Tim Russert on Meet the Press.

So let's get this straight. Less than a year ago, Kucinich believed that life begins at conception and that this unborn life is sacred. Now that he is running for president, Kucinich believes that the 51% of Americans who believe that abortion is homicide should be compelled to pay for free abortions for poor women. So much for "choice," Americans, you are going to pay for other people's free abortions even if you think they are committing homicide.

To confound matters further, Kucinich also says he wants to promote policies that will reduce the number of abortions. But of course, free abortions for poor women are not going to decrease the number of abortions. What's next? Free cigarettes for the poor in an effort to reduce smoking? In truth, if Kucinich seriously wanted to promote life while leaving Roe v Wade in place, there is much that could be done. Indeed, what would be necessary is a government funded educational campaign unprecedented in size and scope.

This campaign would use the latest and best medical evidence and technological advancements to call for tolerance, compassion, and mercy toward the least of our brothers and sisters, the unborn. Focused on fetology and the humanity of the unborn, such a campaign would include public service announcements on television and radio as well as billboards throughout the country with a particular focus on inner city neighborhoods where the abortion rate is at epidemic proportions. This information would also be brought into classrooms across the country.

We know that up to ninety percent of women considering abortion choose life if they are permitted to view the child on an ultrasound. Bring these ultrasound videos into our public schools and make our unborn children the stars of scientific and factual public service announcements.

An ambitious public education campaign focused on the humanity of the unborn child is the least we should expect from a committed progressive like Kucinich, who has not yet renounced his belief that life begins at conception. But sadly, Kucinich is no longer permitted to promote life. Instead, he strictly abides by Democratic protocol and uses the callous euphemism "choice" to describe the mass destruction of what he believes to be sacred human lives. He has suddenly and not unexpectedly stopped mentioning that life is sacred and begins at conception.

There will come a day in history when our society as a whole awakens and unanimously recognizes the horror of abortion. When that day comes, historians will look back at our time trying to figure out how such a national tragedy could have occurred. These historians will read our newspapers, pour over our correspondence, view our news programs, and examine our voting records. And just as today's historians look back at Nazi Germany concerned solely as to whether or not individuals bravely fought for life or silently consented to a regime of death, historians in the future will be solely concerned with whether or not we spoke up for our unborn brothers and sisters or silently consented to a Culture of Death.

As life-affirming generations in the future look back at us, few will be treated more harshly than the modern soupers. Highly educated, outspoken, and passionate, they could have made a difference. They knew the truth. And, for a short time, they were willing to speak out for the unborn. But then the price got too high. They became cowards. Starved for power, they each drank the soup of death. May God have mercy on their souls.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; catholiclist; christianlist; flipflop; kucinich; nhs; prolife
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This writer's article, "Vegetarians for a Free Choice," is also on target given the fact that Dennis is a Vegan himself.

Link:

http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/coyne/vfc.html

1 posted on 02/28/2003 1:40:17 PM PST by Akron Al
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To: Akron Al; rhema; MHGinTN; BibChr; frogsong; tatterdemalion
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2 posted on 02/28/2003 1:47:25 PM PST by Caleb1411
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To: Siobhan; Polycarp; Notwithstanding; Salvation; NYer; Cap'n Crunch; Maximilian
Today, we are witnessing a similar real-life morality play. Only this one doesn't involve Irish farmers starving for food. This one involves ambitious politicians starving for power. The soup these politicians are being asked to drink is a concoction of lies and distortions brewed up by the radical feminists and abortion profiteers who now control the Democratic Party. The reward for drinking this soup of death is the right to run for president as a Democrat.
3 posted on 02/28/2003 1:47:56 PM PST by Akron Al
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To: Akron Al
Bookmarked. Thanks for posting this.
4 posted on 02/28/2003 1:50:53 PM PST by syriacus (Chuck Schumer. ALL the Senators will learn you have ignored your constituents.)
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To: Akron Al
So many far-out leftists running on the Dem side, but this one takes the cake for the fringe nutcases. Kucinich is a loon.
5 posted on 02/28/2003 1:52:49 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Akron Al
The 'souper' story reminds me of Jonathan Swift's 'Modest Proposal' -- where he proposed that the problem of the starving poor of Ireland be solved by ... eating them.

Kucinich is Swift without the irony or the intelligence.

6 posted on 02/28/2003 1:58:09 PM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: anniegetyourgun
To Clueless Joe, Johnny Fifty-Seven Varieties, The Man With No Eyebrows and Howard the Duck, we can now add Dennis The Menace.
7 posted on 02/28/2003 2:00:35 PM PST by Argus
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To: ProtectRUnborn; Mother of Eight; victim soul; Dr. Good Will Hunting; Notwithstanding; JMJ333; ...
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As recently as last May, Kucinich press secretary, Kathie Scarrah, stated: "He absolutely believes in the sanctity of life and that life begins at conception." Then Kucinich began to think about running for President. It was time for some soup.

Less than a week after announcing his decision to explore the possibility of running for president, Kucinich wrote a letter to his local newspaper, The Cleveland Plain Dealer, wherein he publicly renounced his long held pro-life position: "I don't believe in abortion; few do. I do, however, believe in choice." In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Kucinich goes even further; not ruling out his support for publicly funded free abortions for poor women. "I am going to continue to take a thoughtful approach, and that doesn't preclude the poor from having the government support their right to choose." Amazingly, Kucinich has been trying to make the argument that his position on this fundamental issue has not really changed. "The position I'm taking now is an expansion; it's not a reversal," Kucinich told Tim Russert on Meet the Press.

This man has the makings to be the next Clinton.

8 posted on 02/28/2003 2:12:12 PM PST by Diago
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To: Akron Al
There will come a day in history when our society as a whole awakens and unanimously recognizes the horror of abortion. Sadly, that may be only wishful thinking, for we are degenerating even further, into cannibalism, as we slide further down the slippery slope.

But just in case it could help even one person to repudiate the killing, here's a little 4D video of an alive, 22 week aged individual human being:

And here's the URL, if you can use it with friends or relatives contemplating hiring a serial killer:
http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/rad/us/4d/images/thennow/picture.gif

9 posted on 02/28/2003 2:14:25 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: blam; Alamo-Girl; backhoe; Woahhs; Victoria Delsoul; William Wallace; f.Christian; Bryan; ...
(((PING))))))
10 posted on 02/28/2003 2:15:47 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Diago
Thank you Diago, bump to read later....
11 posted on 02/28/2003 2:17:26 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Diago
He's too weird....more like Gore....who was also once pro-life.
12 posted on 02/28/2003 2:18:27 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Akron Al; MHGinTN
Good article!

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

13 posted on 02/28/2003 2:35:33 PM PST by Aquamarine
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To: Akron Al
In a 1971 letter, the then pro-life Teddy Kennedy wrote, "The legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old."

Holy moly!! Ted Kennedy wrote that??

It's true what the Catholic Church says about the spiritual life. Nobody stands still. You're either moving towards God or you're moving away from him.

Just as there are those who like Mary Magdalen, abandoned their sinful ways and became saints, so there are those who were once followers of Jesus but abandoned him when things became tough, like those disciples who ceased to follow Jesus because of his "hard sayings".

14 posted on 02/28/2003 2:39:45 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
I doubt whether Al Gore ever knew the difference between right and wrong, because he was raised by a corrupt traitor, his father. But Teddy Kennedy knew the difference, because he had a Catholic upbringing. He had the Pearl of Great Price in his possession but sold it for good times, political power, a younger wife, and a bulging stomach.
15 posted on 02/28/2003 2:44:57 PM PST by Cicero
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To: MHGinTN
BTTT!!!!!
16 posted on 02/28/2003 2:46:13 PM PST by E.G.C.
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To: marshmallow
BTTT.

I've got a guy in the local K of C who worked for Kucinich, on his first congressional campaign. Wonder how he feels now?

Betrayed, I'm thinking.
17 posted on 02/28/2003 2:50:43 PM PST by Mr. Thorne (Where's the global warming?! I'm cold NOW!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
"So many far-out leftists running on the Dem side, but this one takes the cake for the fringe nutcases. Kucinich is a loon."

Is it just me, or does Dennis Kucinich bear a striking resemblence to Elliot Carlin, one of the resident loons on "The Bob Newhart Show"?

18 posted on 02/28/2003 3:05:01 PM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Mr. Thorne
I think I'll forward a copy of this article to the local Knights of Columbus leaders and to the leaders of the Ancient Order of Hibernians. I would love to figure out how to get it in their newsletters.
19 posted on 02/28/2003 3:07:45 PM PST by Diago
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To: GreenHornet
THAT'S IT! And Bob was one of my favorite comedians of all time....
20 posted on 02/28/2003 3:07:53 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: GreenHornet
Is it just me, or does Dennis Kucinich bear a striking resemblence to Elliot Carlin, one of the resident loons on "The Bob Newhart Show"?

The plot thickens. The actor who played Elliot grew up in Cleveland.

21 posted on 02/28/2003 3:09:25 PM PST by Diago
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To: Akron Al
Incredible article. Great research and information. Pro-Life BUMP!
22 posted on 02/28/2003 3:22:40 PM PST by Gophack
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To: Akron Al
Sen. Kucinich is also the co-chair of the far, far, far left Progressive Caucus - along with 50+ other members of the Democratic Party on Capitol Hill. The man's pushing a soul-destroying socialist agenda, and not for the first time.

Mainstream? By the Numbers: CBC, CHC + Progressive Caucus [it's not about "race"].

23 posted on 02/28/2003 3:27:50 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl ("This nomination in no way deserves a filibuster." - Washington Post re. Miguel Estrada)
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks.
24 posted on 02/28/2003 3:39:33 PM PST by 185JHP ( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
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To: Akron Al
There will come a day in history when our society as a whole awakens and unanimously recognizes the horror of abortion. When that day comes, historians will look back at our time trying to figure out how such a national tragedy could have occurred. These historians will read our newspapers, pour over our correspondence, view our news programs, and examine our voting records. And just as today's historians look back at Nazi Germany concerned solely as to whether or not individuals bravely fought for life or silently consented to a regime of death, historians in the future will be solely concerned with whether or not we spoke up for our unborn brothers and sisters or silently consented to a Culture of Death.

What a laugh. I am quite certain that when historians look back on this era in American history, the books they write will only contain those "old" (pro-life) quotes from people like Kucinich, Clinton, Jackson, etc.

Be prepared for it, folks -- when this country eventually confronts abortion for what it is, we are going to see the most massive revisionist white-washing of history that the world has ever seen.

25 posted on 02/28/2003 4:03:21 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Mr. Thorne
I've got a guy in the local K of C who worked for Kucinich, on his first congressional campaign. Wonder how he feels now?

In light of the many years that passed before the Knights of Columbus mustered the courage to kindly ask pro-abortion "Catholics" like Ted Kennedy to leave, I'd say your friend might actually be quite comfortable with Kucinich.

26 posted on 02/28/2003 4:05:50 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Be prepared for it, folks -- when this country eventually confronts abortion for what it is, we are going to see the most massive revisionist white-washing of history that the world has ever seen. Human nature being what it is, how it is, I would venture to say this nation will not repudiate its tacit acceptance of serial killers called abortionists. More likely, when those in the future puzzle over the artifacts remaining of this once great nation, they will ask, 'Do we have any idea what it was in that country that allowed their forefathers to espouse inalienable right to life yet operate killing clinics for not yet born alive individuals? Is there some other indication in their history that points to comfort with such duplicitous behavior?' ... and then they will find many examples of same and dismiss this experiment as a 'failure to face reality so we set reality on its head and did as we pleased', even to slaughtering our own children for convenience, in the name of feminist empowerment and schizophrenic 'body privacy rights' that arbitrarily denied younger individual humans the same right that it conveyed overwhelmingly to older female individuals.
27 posted on 02/28/2003 6:12:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Less than a week after announcing his decision to explore the possibility of running for president, Kucinich wrote a letter to his local newspaper, The Cleveland Plain Dealer, wherein he publicly renounced his long held pro-life position: "I don't believe in abortion; few do. I do, however, believe in choice."

The choice to abort is nevertheless an abortion. This is the kind of simplistic rhetoric intended to confuse people. Since people are free to do what they want and this includes sleeping with whomever they want (unfortunately,) people associate the right to choose who they're going to bed, with the "right" to have an abortion. That's why politicians especially on the Left make sure to frame abortion as choice, thus choice--having sex--or the lack of it is seen by many as government intrusion in a intimate personal decision.

However, having sex is to engage in the act that creates babies, and if we are free to choose who we have sex with, then, we must accept responsibility for the consequences of our choices, especially when another life is at risk.

28 posted on 02/28/2003 7:09:46 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks for the heads up!
29 posted on 02/28/2003 7:18:37 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alberta's Child; Akron Al; Diago
It's time to have Dennis Kucininch D-10 OH
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/?dir=&dir=congressorg&ID=468

http://capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard/?chamber=H&session=107&x=11&y=13#OH

and Bill Pascrell, D-8 NJ, Paterson Council 240
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/?dir=&dir=congressorg&ID=389

http://capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard/?chamber=H&session=107&x=11&y=13#NJ

Resign from the Knights of Columbus

http://www.kofc.org/index_eng.cfm
http://www.kofc.org/contact.cfm
http://www.kofc.org/phone_directory.cfm
info@kofc.org
30 posted on 02/28/2003 7:25:20 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
Hi Coleus,

Do one of these links provide evidence that Kucinich is a Knight? Can the Knights kick him out if he does not resign?
31 posted on 02/28/2003 7:52:23 PM PST by Diago
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To: Akron Al
For some reason, I found this interesting from the Kucinich website listings of Staff Members:

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/staff/?id=468

Defense: Auke Mahar-Piersma

Foreign Policy: Sapna Chhatpar
32 posted on 02/28/2003 7:57:40 PM PST by Diago
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To: Akron Al
I sent him a letter telling him to consult scripture about abortion and the next day I got a thank you for your support note.

That was a quick "unsubscribe" for me. LOL!
33 posted on 02/28/2003 8:48:34 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: CLEVELAND
fyi
34 posted on 02/28/2003 8:56:49 PM PST by Diago
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To: Akron Al
We have seen many Christians of many denominations whose articles of faith denounce abortion become "soupers" - the most notorious for me is Paul Sarbanes demorat from Maryland - A Greek Orthodox who voted FOR partial birth abortion!
35 posted on 02/28/2003 9:04:40 PM PST by eleni121
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To: Akron Al
Kucinich is such a scum. "I don't believe in abortion; few do. I do, however, believe in choice."

But he now isn’t against abortion. He used to be.

If there is anything worse than an abortionist, it is a politician who goes from pro-life to pro-abortion (pro-choice) in order to gain political advantage.

36 posted on 02/28/2003 9:10:57 PM PST by Diddley (Abortion is the extreme selfish act.)
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To: Coleus
I have to disagree. It's time to have all those bastards tossed out of the Knights of Columbus whether they wish to resign or not.

One reason, BTW, why this Freeper has never been interested in joining the Knights of Columbus is the organization's reluctance to confront their members who take public stands in support of basic violations of human decency.

37 posted on 02/28/2003 9:43:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: All
From the Kucinich website:

I continue to encourage everyone to reach me via email at dkucinich@aol.com . In addition, you may contact me by mail at either of my Cleveland local offices. You can write to me at 14400 Detroit Avenue in Lakewood, Ohio 44107 or at 5983 West 54th Street, Parma, Ohio, 44129. You can also call my office, in Lakewood at 216.228.8850 and in Parma at 440.845.2707.
38 posted on 03/01/2003 7:17:18 AM PST by Diago
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To: MHGinTN
Great link, thanks.

You wrote:

And here's the URL, if you can use it with friends or relatives contemplating hiring a serial killer:

http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/rad/us/4d/images/thennow/picture.gif


39 posted on 03/01/2003 8:43:42 AM PST by Akron Al
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To: Akron Al
Great post - Thanks:

"Today, we are witnessing a similar real-life morality play. Only this one doesn't involve Irish farmers starving for food. This one involves ambitious politicians starving for power. The soup these politicians are being asked to drink is a concoction of lies and distortions brewed up by the radical feminists and abortion profiteers who now control the Democratic Party. The reward for drinking this soup of death is the right to run for president as a Democrat.

Perhaps not surprisingly, Teddy Kennedy was among those first in line for a taste of the soup. In a 1971 letter, the then pro-life Teddy Kennedy wrote, "The legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old." By 1980, Teddy had sipped the soup and was running for President as an outspoken supporter of abortion.

40 posted on 03/01/2003 7:02:14 PM PST by victim soul
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To: Akron Al
Very well written article.
41 posted on 03/01/2003 8:11:02 PM PST by Z in Oregon (I'm the King of the World!)
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To: Alberta's Child
That's how good organizations go bad...a refusal to lay down the law to those who go morally astray.
42 posted on 03/01/2003 8:13:26 PM PST by Z in Oregon
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To: Akron Al; Diago; Siobhan; Polycarp
You should get him added to the lists.

http://www.dailycatholic.org/house.htm

http://www.cathfam.org/cfexcom/Excom.html

Also, many Vegans are kooks, in the Book of Genises, God told Noah that the animals were there for him to eat. Many of these vegans adopt a New Age/Secular Humanistic way of life which ultimately leads one away from God.
43 posted on 03/02/2003 1:30:41 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Coleus
I agree. the Kucinich House race now takes on national importance, and we need to get the word out and defeat this guy.

BTW coleus, speaking of vegans, did you ever read this one?



http://www.catholicity.com/commentary/coyne/vfc.html
44 posted on 03/03/2003 4:16:49 PM PST by Akron Al
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To: Akron Al; redhead
Thanks for the link. I think humans were made to eat meat. Meat contains nutrients which aren't in vegetables. Do you know him the man who wrote the article.?

Genesis
Chapter 9:3

Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants.
45 posted on 03/03/2003 8:15:35 PM PST by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: Diago
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46 posted on 05/18/2003 5:14:10 PM PDT by Akron Al
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To: patj
I always believed this was a particularly devestating article on Kucinich. Copies available here:



http://www.rnclife.org/reports/2003/jun03/may-june03.shtml
47 posted on 01/31/2004 6:14:39 AM PST by Diago
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To: Diago

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48 posted on 09/27/2004 4:44:56 PM PDT by Diago ( "To err is human but to really foul up requires a computer." Actual Dan Rather Quote)
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To: Akron Al

bump?????


49 posted on 10/03/2004 12:33:32 PM PDT by Diago
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50 posted on 03/12/2008 8:06:01 PM PDT by Diago (http://www.margaretsanger.blogspot.com/)
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