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Pope sending peace envoy to U.S.
CNN Asia ^ | 3.1.03

Posted on 03/01/2003 10:45:56 AM PST by Enemy Of The State

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- Pope John Paul will send a senior cardinal to Washington on a personal peace mission to try to avert a war in Iraq, the Vatican said on Saturday.

Cardinal Pio Laghi, for many years the Vatican's ambassador to the United States, will leave in the next few days and will deliver a letter from the pope to U.S. President George W. Bush.


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On Fox News they quoted the Pope as saying that "there was NO Moral Reason to attack Iraq.",P.

I really dont think that the pope is anyone to speak about morality these days....if he wants to try speaking about morality, he should be doing so with his following of pedophile clergy.

1 posted on 03/01/2003 10:45:57 AM PST by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
"The cardinal ... will illustrate the position and the initiatives taken by the Holy See to contribute to disarmament and peace in the Middle East," the Vatican said in a statement.

good intentions notwithstanding, aforementioned "initiatives" have accomplished squat. i seem to remember a little something about the vatican being on the wrong side of world war II, also.

dep

2 posted on 03/01/2003 10:49:57 AM PST by dep
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To: Enemy Of The State
Pope

I really dont think that the pope is anyone to speak about morality these days....if he wants to try speaking about morality, he should be doing so with his following of pedophile clergy.

You need to pay attention. He's repeatedly condemned the immoral and illegal behavior of pedophiles masquerading as Catholic priests.

3 posted on 03/01/2003 10:52:33 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
You need to pay attention. He's repeatedly condemned the immoral and illegal behavior of pedophiles masquerading as Catholic priests.

Yes, but obsessing over the Pope gives people leave to ignore the more frequent and statistically likely sexual contact between public school teachers and their students.




4 posted on 03/01/2003 10:56:22 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Enemy Of The State
The Vatican does not believe an attack on Iraq could be considered a "just war," opposes U.N. economic sanctions against Iraq and argues that diplomacy is the only way to settle the dispute.

Etchegarry did a hell of lot of good in Baghdad a couple of weeks ago, didn't he?

So, no war, no sanctions, just sit back and let Hussein develop weapons of mass destruction.

Let's pat the Pope on the head and get back to the business of liberating the Iraqi people.

5 posted on 03/01/2003 10:58:06 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: Enemy Of The State
Last month the 82-year-old pontiff sent a special envoy to Baghdad to try to persuade Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors.

Well, that obviously didn't work, so he's sending somebody to us? I suggest handing the envoy a tax bill on his church's U.S. assets, since Il Papa has seen fit to blur the lines of separation between church and politics (again).

6 posted on 03/01/2003 10:59:43 AM PST by ErnBatavia ((Bumperootus!))
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
"You need to pay attention. He's repeatedly condemned the immoral and illegal behavior of pedophiles masquerading as Catholic priests."

Oh, I pay attention alright, I also notice how he has been against the reforms that were to be taken in the US against such clergy members. He thinks his "Word of Law" is above the law of our land.

pat..pat..pat...Mr. Pontif, you may now return to your seat.

7 posted on 03/01/2003 11:02:45 AM PST by Enemy Of The State (To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.)
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To: sinkspur
As much as I respect the Pope, I have to disagree with him on this one. I am not going to sit back and let some madman make weapons that can kill thousands. I'm sorry, sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omlet.
8 posted on 03/01/2003 11:03:01 AM PST by Blue Scourge (If the Son has set you free, than you are Free indeed...)
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To: Enemy Of The State; Salvation
This is an issue of anthrax, botulin, VX, mustard, nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction.

It is just.

They are going to use those on their neighbors and us. Self-defense is justified.

Nor is this a ruling ex cathedra, if that even applies in this case.
9 posted on 03/01/2003 11:24:08 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: Blue Scourge
I used to have great respect for the pope. It was all irrevocably lost when he got down on his knees and kissed the Koran, an unholy book which denies that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
10 posted on 03/01/2003 11:26:09 AM PST by AF68
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To: Enemy Of The State
Today’s News.

1. The Pope sends an emissary to Washington to attempt to sway the US goal of installing Democracy (by way of force) in Iraq and the surrounding neighborhood.

2. Seventy nine Muslim murderers who killed 21 Coptic Christians a few years ago are released as the Egyptian (Islamic) court found them not guilty. It did however find one person guilty of killing a Muslim. What sayth the Pope?

Why should I not conclude the Pope is a Dope?

11 posted on 03/01/2003 11:27:04 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Sabertooth
Ditto

You guys know how I feel about the Pope making and stands on Morality.

I am barred from stating the obvious with respect to the Pope yet praised for making the same observation about an Imam or French leader.
12 posted on 03/01/2003 11:31:17 AM PST by Kay Soze (F France and Germany- They are our enemies.)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Take your "peace" envoy and stick where the sun don't shine.
14 posted on 03/01/2003 11:33:35 AM PST by oline
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To: Enemy Of The State
Oh, I pay attention alright, I also notice how he has been against the reforms that were to be taken in the US against such clergy members. He thinks his "Word of Law" is above the law of our land.

Wrong again. Try and do some independent research before you regurgitate the pablum you lap up from the talking heads, sucker. You may now return your head to your dirt chute.

15 posted on 03/01/2003 11:35:34 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Enemy Of The State

16 posted on 03/01/2003 11:44:09 AM PST by Consort
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To: Kay Soze; SMEDLEYBUTLER; sinkspur
You guys know how I feel about the Pope making and stands on Morality. I am barred from stating the obvious with respect to the Pope yet praised for making the same observation about an Imam or French leader.

No I don't, but since the Pope and Reagan brought down communism, I give him a fair amount of lattitude, even where I disagree with him. We should also consider the consequences for jihad if the Pope were to come out four square for the War. Not especially pretty.

Also, one might consider how the witness of the Pope's innate goodness humbled and tamed the Islamic soul of his own would-be assassin.

The Pope is not on the same moral plane as the President of France or an Imam, and his opposition to this war should not be viewed in that context.




17 posted on 03/01/2003 11:45:10 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Consort
Very, very scary...
18 posted on 03/01/2003 11:46:43 AM PST by oline
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To: Sabertooth
The Pope is not on the same moral plane as the President of France or an Imam, and his opposition to this war should not be viewed in that context.

You're right, of course, and he likely knows he's wasting his breath with Saddam Hussein.

The Pope has to say what he says, and we have to do what we will do.

19 posted on 03/01/2003 11:49:31 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: Enemy Of The State
On Fox News they quoted the Pope as saying that "there was NO Moral Reason to attack Iraq."

I think a nice billboard campaign, with those statements, will go on to really get the RCC the type of respect it has earned in this nation.

The run of the mill Catholics that are my friends (the ones who aren't conservative, don't give a rats behind about Latin masses and don't care about birth control) are disgusted with the Vatican and the French. They're profoundly pro-American.

20 posted on 03/01/2003 11:49:33 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: sinkspur
The Pope has to say what he says, and we have to do what we will do.

Folks seem to think the Pope doesn't realize the jihadin are looking for the first excuse to call this war a Crusade.

The additional bloodshed to us and our foes, if the Pope was to give his imprimatur to this war, is incalculable.




21 posted on 03/01/2003 11:56:57 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: AF68
Man, I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it.....I was dumbfounded when I did a search and came up with it...

Man, I still don't believe it....

22 posted on 03/01/2003 12:16:00 PM PST by Blue Scourge (If the Son has set you free, than you are Free indeed...)
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To: Enemy Of The State
I'm no defender of my former church, but this particular Pope is actually a conservative who led massive anti-communism protests in occupied Poland back during the Cold War. In my book, he's a hero. He also slammed down on pedophile priests so hard that the limp wristed American bishops are on the brink of breaking off from the Vatican. He also gives the less conservative Italian cardinals a lot of grief. If the entire Catholic clergy were like him, rather than attending US colleges and hitting on my former girlfriend [and anything else with a small orifice], I'd still be a Catholic.

Nonetheless, the Pope is taking certain scriptures too literally and not checking things by the fruit that they bear. If you risk your life for the sake of others, which is generally what our soldiers are doing, then it is an act of Christian love. Further, when a regime bears nothing but bad fruit, cutting it down is nothing but a good thing.
23 posted on 03/01/2003 12:21:59 PM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: Sabertooth
The Pope is not on the same moral plane as the President of France or an Imam, and his opposition to this war should not be viewed in that context.

I agree with you. The Pope can hardly be "for war".

24 posted on 03/01/2003 12:54:14 PM PST by potlatch (Just think of it as "choosing to abort Saddam"! Dennis Miller)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
The run of the mill Catholics that are my friends (the ones who aren't conservative, don't give a rats behind about Latin masses and don't care about birth control) are disgusted with the Vatican and the French. They're profoundly pro-American.

Sounds like they dont give a 'rats ass' about being Catholic either! >

25 posted on 03/01/2003 12:58:29 PM PST by potlatch (Just think of it as "choosing to abort Saddam"! Dennis Miller)
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To: xzins; drstevej
Let's see if this thread gets yanked or just how heated it is allowed to go. Just for grins....
26 posted on 03/01/2003 1:00:24 PM PST by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
Hope they don't start posting documents by religious leaders -- that's the kiss of death ("kiss of death" is not a reference to post #22).
27 posted on 03/01/2003 1:26:16 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Enemy Of The State
The Pope is right up there with the U.N. in terms of relevance.
28 posted on 03/01/2003 1:30:45 PM PST by GnL
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
I been reading the scriptures all of them and it does not tell me that this guy has any credibility.

This is none of his business and since our government is not suppose to pick churches to follow why isn't the left screaming separaton of church and state.

This war is a just war and someone needs to set this guy straight.
30 posted on 03/01/2003 1:41:23 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
He's done nothing to replace the bishops who have allowed this evil to blossom into full flower in this country and elsewhere, during his papacy. I've completely lost faith in this man and my faith in the Papacy is weaker than ever. I know that one being in communion with the Holy See is essential to being an authentic Roman Catholic...this has been a tough year.
31 posted on 03/01/2003 3:28:54 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: Consort
I was just wondering. Do you wear a white hood as you post?
32 posted on 03/01/2003 3:31:57 PM PST by Barnacle (I was Conservative when Conservative wasn’t cool.)
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To: Barnacle
What's your problem, Barnacle? Who needs you to defend them and what does that say about them?
33 posted on 03/01/2003 3:56:21 PM PST by Consort
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To: Sabertooth
And for all we know, he may have another message inside that letter. Like you say, he may have to be carefull of what he says. He's a smart old soul who lived in Poland during Nazi occupation, and under a communist tyranny. I have no doubt that he knows what is going on inside Iraq. And although I know I'll probably be scolded for saying this; I even wondered if T.Azziz is all everyone says he is.

He seems like such a skunk; but could he have turned on S.Hussein lately? Could he have noticed something finally, and seen something he never saw before? Could he have acually told the Pope something on the sly against Saddam? A lot of people in there talk all big and good about SH, but could that be a mask they wear for their own survival and their family members? Who knows?

But going back to Pope John Paul; I wonder if he just wants us to be carefull. He may be just being cautious, and not rush into it. Maybe he wants to be proven wrong about too much death and destruction. He's one of the bravest people in the world. It doesn't make much sense that after all he's been through and done in the cause of liberty in the old Soviet Union; that he wouldn't want to see the Iraqi people liberated after all they have suffered.
34 posted on 03/02/2003 1:01:21 AM PST by dsutah
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To: Consort
My problem is with backward ass bigots like you. I am Catholic. What you did to the Vatican flag is deeply offensive to me as if you did the same to the American flag.

I don’t agree with everything the Catholic Church professes. Just as I don’t agree with everything America stands for. But, it’s my church and my country and I will defend both to the death.
35 posted on 03/02/2003 1:33:11 PM PST by Barnacle (I was Conservative when Conservative wasn’t cool.)
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To: Barnacle
My problem is with backward ass bigots like you. I am Catholic.

I'm glad that you admit your problem. You think a bigot is anyone who doesn't agree with you. And stop defending the church until they get rid of all the pedophiles and other deviates. You're not a good catholic when you call others bigots; it just demonstrates your religious hangups and mental instability. Why don't you go to the Religious Forum and discuss theology. And pray for guidance while you're at it.

36 posted on 03/02/2003 4:01:32 PM PST by Consort
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To: Consort
Being Catholic is not a problem. I can have honest differences of opinion with people. But, some, such as you are just backward ass ignorant bigots.

What do you defend? Anything? Come on and tell us. I want to hear how it is completely free of all human corruption. Did you disavow your American citizenship during the Klyñtøñ years?

I can be a fine Catholic and still call you a backward ass bigot. I defend my country and my church from enemies both foreign and domestic. The fact that you’d even attack my church to begin with is just evidence of your ignorance. Why don’t you take your hate of Catholicism to a KKK forum? You’ll have plenty of company there. Free Republic is not the place for it. We have regard for the First Amendment here.

And, don’t tell me to pray you holier than thou piece of %$*$.
37 posted on 03/02/2003 4:21:16 PM PST by Barnacle (I was Conservative when Conservative wasn’t cool.)
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To: Barnacle
And, don’t tell me to pray you holier than thou piece of %$*$.

Forget the prayers; they won't help. You sound like a religious fanatic and a jingoist when it comes to nationalism. Go to confession and ask for forgiveness. If you stop and think about it, we are both fighting for the same cause. Don't let religious satire get to you.

38 posted on 03/02/2003 5:09:40 PM PST by Consort
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
run of the mill Catholics that are my friends

They should be more careful about who they hang out with...

(the ones who aren't conservative, don't give a rats behind about Latin masses and don't care about birth control)

Oh.

Nevermind.

They're not Catholic to begin with.

39 posted on 03/02/2003 5:16:23 PM PST by Polycarp
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To: xzins
This is an issue of anthrax, botulin, VX, mustard, nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction.

Agreed. Part of the problem is that the Vatican assumes that Hussein has been contained with military threats and diplomacy. As 9/11 proved, the presence of warships in the Persian Gulf isn't enough (in itself) to defend America. We have to act preemptively to destroy people who would use WOMD before they have a chance to use them. And make no mistake: If Hussein had these weapons today, he would hand them off to his surrogates and finance their mission against the U.S. and Israel; then, after America tries to recover from an attack and look for those responsible, Hussein would (plausibly) disclaim responsibility.
40 posted on 03/03/2003 1:45:12 PM PST by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
There is not a single thoughtful American who doesn't realize there is a connection between terrorism and Iraq.

It's that simple. Ignore it and Americans will die. Fix it and we'll have one fewer enemy willing and able to attack us with wmd.
41 posted on 03/03/2003 2:03:06 PM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: xzins
Plus, think of all the new weapons systems we'll get to field test on Hussein's troops ...
42 posted on 03/03/2003 2:13:17 PM PST by Bush2000
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