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Kel-Tec's new "SUV" rifle
Kel-Tec ^ | me

Posted on 03/01/2003 9:20:33 PM PST by conservativefromGa

Technical Specifications

Caliber: .223 Rem 5.56mm
Weight unloaded: 5.0lbs. 2.3kg
Length open: 37.4" 950.0mm
Length closed: 26.4" 670.6mm
Barrel length: 18.4" 467.4mm
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds
Barrel diameter: 3/4" to 5/8" 19.1mm to 15.9mm
Twist: 1:9" 1:228.6mm
Bolt travel: 4.1" 104mm
trigger pull: 5lbs. to 7lbs. 22.2N to 31.1N
Barrel weight: 26.1oz. 738.8g

MSRP: $640.00 Available in May 2003

KEL-TEC 5.56 mm SU-16 SPORT UTILITY RIFLE

INTRODUCTION The name is not an attempt to capitalize on a popular concept but is a truly appropriate designation.

The SU-16 is a gas operated, self-loading rifle in .223 Remington caliber. Several unique features make the SU-16 a versatile sporting firearm.

~An integrated Picatinny rail for mounting different sight systems.

~The forend folds down to form a bipod for increased accuracy.

~The stock can store spare magazines. Two 10 rounds clips or one 20 or 30 rounds.

~The stock and trigger mechanism can be folded forward for added safety and to facilitate secure storage or carry under extreme conditions.

The SU-16 has a conventional gas piston operation and utilizes the proven M-16 breech locking system. It is compatible with standard M-16 magazines. The reciprocating bolt handle and magazine catch are on the right side, while the push bolt safety can be changed to work from either side.

Except for barrel, bolt and mechanism the SU-16 is made entirely of high impact reinforced polymer.


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Hmm neat looking and seems to be CA legal.
1 posted on 03/01/2003 9:20:33 PM PST by conservativefromGa
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To: conservativefromGa
Another case of guns being advertized befroer production.
I have been tying to get one for 2 months. The adds are out, but the guns aren't

I think it will make a great addition to the M7 survival rifle in 22 Long Rifle and 410.

So9

2 posted on 03/01/2003 9:26:31 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: Servant of the Nine
MSRP: $640.00 Available in May 2003
3 posted on 03/01/2003 9:30:00 PM PST by null and void (read the whole thing swervie. BTW my 50th is coming up, would be a good gift for you to get me...)
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To: conservativefromGa
Looks nice from a functional standpoint but that thing is butt ugly. Maybe it'll grow on me. They sure chose a great caliber. :-)

MM

4 posted on 03/01/2003 9:32:44 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: conservativefromGa
A wonderful trick to avoid the stupid cosmetic feature ban of 1994.

Government to civilians: You aren't allowed to make or own any "semiautomatics assault weapons" made after '94 that have folding stocks.

Clever gun manufacture: Fine, we can't make the stock fold, we'll make the whole darn gun fold.

Take that gun grabbers!

5 posted on 03/01/2003 9:43:37 PM PST by Fixit (http://comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: conservativefromGa
Under 27" folded. That makes a fine, compact carry.
6 posted on 03/01/2003 9:47:49 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
It uses M-16/AR mags. Thats a nice feature.
7 posted on 03/01/2003 9:51:20 PM PST by conservativefromGa (www.awbansunset.com)
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To: Fixit
Clever gun manufacture: Fine, we can't make the stock fold, we'll make the whole darn gun fold.

They have some semi-auto carbines in 9mm, .40, and (IIRC) .45 that fold down to under 16.5". I regard those as the real nose-thumb at the AWB, since weapons with "folding stocks" have to be at least 26" long in the maximally-folded configuration (and thus, contrary to gun banners' claims, are often bigger and harder to conceal than guns with a 26.1" design length).

8 posted on 03/01/2003 9:51:40 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: conservativefromGa
Oh there's going to be a few left leaning folks that hate this. An "assult weapon" and SUV. Maybe the I can get one for Christmas.
9 posted on 03/01/2003 9:51:42 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Red Dog #1
Oh there's going to be a few left leaning folks that hate this.

Oh, they'll hate it alright. In the vast majority of cases it is liberals or the liberal-aligned that are murdering other liberals or liberal-aligned with firearms (and usually firearms of a shoddy make). Conservatives are overwhelmingly responsible with firearms.

If liberals really want to drop the the gun violence rate, they should become conservatives.

10 posted on 03/01/2003 9:58:53 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: conservativefromGa
I want one.

I'll drive to the range in my Explorer SUV with my SUR...

11 posted on 03/01/2003 10:01:08 PM PST by SW6906
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To: Red Dog #1
Crossfire
12 posted on 03/01/2003 10:01:30 PM PST by umgud (War determines who is left, not who is right)
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To: supercat
That's a great point. Even a 16" barrelled AR breaks down to two parts, the larger of which is around 25" long.
13 posted on 03/01/2003 10:01:35 PM PST by Fixit (http://comedian.blogspot.com)
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To: Red Dog #1
I wonder if they are going to offer a swivel mount to put it on your SUV? If yes, put me down for two.
14 posted on 03/01/2003 10:08:09 PM PST by Beck_isright (going to war without the French is like duck hunting without an accordian)
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To: conservativefromGa
Cool!!! B-day present. This is just a placeholder comment.
15 posted on 03/01/2003 10:09:56 PM PST by kcar
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To: Beck_isright
Now that's a thought. I'll be sure to add the mount to my christmas list before giving it to my wife.
16 posted on 03/01/2003 10:11:19 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Red Dog #1
Wouldn't that just look cool as hell mounted forward of your sunroof. I'll bet the tailgaters would back off and you don't get cut off in traffic as much either. And just think, you open the sunroof, put in the hi-cap clips and you can deal with those pesky Iraqi remote control drones.
17 posted on 03/01/2003 10:13:11 PM PST by Beck_isright (going to war without the French is like duck hunting without an accordian)
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To: Kevin Curry
The most amazing thing is they don't realize that with out their activism most SUV's and this weapon probally wouldn't exist. SUV's are mostly came about because of gas mileage requirements for passenger cars and we all now why this weapon was built. Hell, now I'm starting to wonder if the left sometimes serves a useful purpose after all.
18 posted on 03/01/2003 10:18:10 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: conservativefromGa
Interesting rifle! A Valmet, with a Steyr Scout bipod. Should be a winner.
19 posted on 03/01/2003 10:32:45 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: *bang_list
bang bump
20 posted on 03/01/2003 10:53:34 PM PST by conservativefromGa (www.awbansunset.com)
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To: conservativefromGa
muzzle velocity?
21 posted on 03/01/2003 11:11:28 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: conservativefromGa
Hmm neat looking and seems to be CA legal.

Bill Lockyer can add this rifle to the list of banned rifles in California with a PostIt note to Randy Rossi. It won't take 10 minutes. He already has legislative authority to add new firearms as an internal administrative act.

22 posted on 03/01/2003 11:23:31 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: conservativefromGa
Sweet - Still nothing like a Zitta 300 Sport Rifle...


www.zmweapons.com
23 posted on 03/02/2003 1:28:42 AM PST by gaucho (Saddam uses UN Resolutions for 2 things! Lighting his Cigars and wiping his _ _s!)
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To: conservativefromGa
This looks really, really nice. I don't know much about Kel-tecs, are they high-quality firearms?
24 posted on 03/02/2003 1:36:30 AM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: xm177e2
One of my kids got a 9mm KelTec DA pistol and at first I thought it would be junk.

I was really wrong.

After shooting the KelTec we both like it much better than a Colt Pocket 9 we have in the family and the more I've read about the KelTec,the more I'm sold on their dependability.It's a sweet little carry gun or backup if you want DA only.

If this new KelTec gets some good reviews,I'll sure take a look at it.

25 posted on 03/02/2003 2:36:05 AM PST by Free Trapper
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To: conservativefromGa
Lots of nice features here. I can hardly wait until it gets into the hands of evil SUV owners so that I can hear the evaluations.
26 posted on 03/02/2003 2:40:29 AM PST by Movemout
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I used to shoot .22 rifles at school which I really enjoyed.

I'd really like to get back into the hobby now although I think I'd like to move on from the .22.

Can anyone recommend a nice rifle that would be most suitable for both myself and my 11 year old daughter to start off with at the range and perhaps go hunting with later on.

I am a complete novice so forgive my ignorance.

Yaron.
27 posted on 03/02/2003 4:22:12 AM PST by Yaron
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To: conservativefromGa
Looks like it might be a nice travel rifle.
28 posted on 03/02/2003 5:45:21 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: conservativefromGa
Another solution looking for a problem. I'll pass.
29 posted on 03/02/2003 5:51:34 AM PST by killjoy
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To: conservativefromGa
ehhh... it's a nice concept, has lots of nice features, and comes from a good manufacturing firm, but... I'll stick to my bullpup AK47.
30 posted on 03/02/2003 6:28:42 AM PST by demosthenes the elder (slime will never cease to be slime... why must that be explained to anyone?)
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To: conservativefromGa; Jimmy Valentine
Holy Sh***. If this doesn't drive the gun grabbers crazy I don't know what will.

Listening to C-SPAN Radio yesterday heard an interesting discussion on the M-16. Several points made:
In the desert using gun oil isn't a great idea.

The AK-47 tolerances are lose enough (less likely to jam) that it was a preferred weapon during Desert Storm.

One of the reasons the M-16 jammed early on was that a cheaper powder was used in the ammunition which resulted in faster fouling of the weapon requiring more frequent cleaning.

Lastly, Troops deploying to Afganistan prefer the M-14 over the M-16.
31 posted on 03/02/2003 6:39:41 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Let the US and British led weapon inspections in force start now!)
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To: Yaron
An AR-15 is a good rifle, low recoil, legal hunting caliber, and ammo is reasonably inexpensive. Unfortunatly the AR-15 is kind of pricey.
32 posted on 03/02/2003 7:18:27 AM PST by .308 PSS
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To: MississippiMan
but that thing is butt uglyThen it should be banned for that sole piece of reasoning. Now the Ruger Mini family, they have good looks.
33 posted on 03/02/2003 7:24:16 AM PST by oyez (Is this a geat country.....or what?)
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To: conservativefromGa
I love how KelTec builds magazine wells for existing and available hicap mags!
34 posted on 03/02/2003 11:15:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: .308 PSS
Unfortunatly the AR-15 is kind of pricey.

Now how can you say that before you even asked how much I want for my M4?!LOL

35 posted on 03/02/2003 3:20:04 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: Travis McGee
I still haven't heard back from them about the Gas/Piston question. I went shooting yesterday, for the first time in months, with the locals from AR15.com. They scouted out a gravel pit down past Olympia (nice 2+ hr. drive for me each way.) that was perfect. One direction had 390yrds for rifle fire and if you wanted to shoot pistols you face the other way in the box and had out to 50 yards. We had some gongs made out of a Helium tank cut in half that now look like cheese graters. A funny thing for me was I couldn't hit jack with my AR15 at 100 yards but I could pound the sh!+ out of the bowling pins at 300 yds. I guess know whites of their eyes for me. And as is typical for us in the gun culture their were 20 of us and about 100 weapons including about 45 rifles. Here is our group photo.
36 posted on 03/02/2003 3:33:20 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: conservativefromGa
Hmmmnn...

Maybe in .308, but I already have a good .223.
37 posted on 03/02/2003 3:35:18 PM PST by meyer
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To: MississippiMan
Elaborate about the caliber, please.
38 posted on 03/02/2003 3:54:14 PM PST by gitmo (You know, I feel more now, like I did, than when I first got here.)
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To: big ern
Yeah, like having a flag at the range too.
mostly we shoot milsurps, M/N 44s,91s,M-39s,FALs
Mausers etc. Love that C&R license!
The BBT (big brown Truck) brings them right to your door!
At wholesale!
39 posted on 03/02/2003 3:59:21 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: conservativefromGa
That funky bipod vaguely resembles Jeff Cooper's Scout Rifle built by Steyr
I don't know if I care much for Kel-Tec's folding stock...
But I certainly know that I prefer the Scout's .308 to the wimpy .223.
40 posted on 03/02/2003 4:04:52 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: gitmo
Elaborate about the caliber, please.

.223 just happens to be my favorite all-around rifle caliber. Great range, sufficient stopping power, ammo readily available at reasonable prices. My Ruger Mini-14 is probably my favorite long gun.

MM

41 posted on 03/02/2003 4:10:42 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: conservativefromGa
Sport-Utility Rifle

It's an interestingly appropriate term!

Here is the earliest usage (usenet) I found:

From: GP40X (gp40x@aol.com)
Subject: Re: @Urban Survival Rifle
View: Complete Thread (10 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: misc.survivalism
Date: 1998/08/20

While playing with his "poddle shooter" glen wrote:

>If you do your practicing from a bench rest shooting 1 hole
>groups, you are doing it wrong. When TSHTF you won't be at a
>bench rest and you won't be shooting 1 hole groups.

I tried a little experiment with my "Sport Utility Rifle" at the range about
two weeks ago. Shooting from a standing position with a "Hasty sling" to hold
the rifle a little tighter, I dumped 60 rounds at a man sized silhouette target
at 65 yards {indoor range} & 53 of the rounds hit in the black. It looked more
like a shotgun pattern than a rifle group but there were a lot of hole in that
target {frest target no holes covered by markers}. ...

Bill Belsher
NRA
TSRA

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22sport+utility+rifle%22&start=40&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=1998082004415600.AAA29348%40ladder03.news.aol.com&rnum=45
42 posted on 03/02/2003 8:21:21 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Willie Green
But I certainly know that I prefer the Scout's .308 to the wimpy .223.

The kinds of 223s being shot in competition these days aren't wimpy. They're using bullets anywhere from 77 - 90+ grains and hitting things out to 1000 yards. That, of course, requires a much faster twist than a normal M16.

Other than that, 308 is probably the most generally useful rifle calibre. If you could only have one rifle, it almost has to be a 308.

43 posted on 03/02/2003 8:32:59 PM PST by merak
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To: big ern
M4? I thought only LE could have them since they are manufactured after 1986... right?
44 posted on 03/31/2003 1:23:06 PM PST by JudgemAll
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To: Yaron
There really isn't anything that would fit you AND your 11 year-old.

The best thing would be a couple of target .22s, one to fit each of you. If you are lucky enough to live near an outdoor range with a NRA smallbore competition program you will be more than welcome to participate. Most clubs have several loaner rifles of various types that nobody ever uses. If you do participate, you may find that your first purchase is not a rifle but a shooting coat, mitt, mat and possibly a spotting scope if no loaners are available.

The best shooters on this planet have all shot and excelled at smallbore at some point in their careers.

If you tell us where you live I may be able to direct you to the nearest club.
45 posted on 03/31/2003 1:42:20 PM PST by SBprone
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To: Jimmy Valentine's brother
"One of the reasons the M-16 jammed early on was that a cheaper powder was used in the ammunition which resulted in faster fouling of the weapon requiring more frequent cleaning."
You're partially correct. The original AR-15 was designed for a specific powder that gave it a firing rate that was "30-40" rounds per minute less than the Army wanted. It used a powder that was not then currently being used by the army and they didn't want to make any changes.
Plus, the rifle was not invented by them and the old "Not invented here" syndrome came into play. They added a bolt, changed the powder and said: "Here's what we can do!!!'
The powder change gummed up the works and they would not admit their mistakes. Cost a lot of lives.
46 posted on 03/31/2003 4:35:57 PM PST by OregonRancher
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To: JudgemAll
It's called an M4gery (forgery) because the flash hider is fake (or if you don't have one at all and the buttstock is pinned in place.

I don't think Rock River Arms would make 'em if you couldn't legally own one.
47 posted on 03/31/2003 4:57:14 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: conservativefromGa
"... It uses M-16/AR mags. Thats a nice feature."

NO! Bad feature. It means another rifle eating up the diminishing supply of AR-15 mags. Have you priced them lately?

Ah, who cares. I haven't got an AR-15 anymore.

48 posted on 03/31/2003 5:05:01 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: The KG9 Kid
Ah, who cares. I haven't got an AR-15 anymore.

Well then you won't be needing those spare magazines so send them along please.

49 posted on 03/31/2003 10:44:25 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern
What are you offering for 'em?
50 posted on 04/01/2003 2:51:27 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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