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Armed Neighbors End Dog Attacks
http://carrollwood.tbo.com/carrollwood/MGAIHP0ZMBD.html ^ | 2/1/2003 | SEAN C. LEDIG

Posted on 03/05/2003 5:21:18 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender

TAMPA - Teresa Castellano knows that some folks saved her life. She just doesn't know who they are. Castellano, 25, her daughter, Alysa McBride, 6, and her daughter's friend, Kaitlyn Green, 8, survived a recent attack from two Rottweilers and a pit bull.

It is an amazing story of horror and heroism.

Castellano said it began while she was watching the girls at Kaitlyn's home on Jan. 18. Kaitlyn's father, Sean Green, had stepped out for 10 minutes to run an errand.

Castellano, of Land O' Lakes, said she and the girls laughed at something on television, and that apparently sparked the dogs to start barking and growling. She soon realized the dogs were not playing, and she sensed it might get worse.

She asked the girls to quiet down so the dogs would relax.

It never happened.

The dogs attacked.

``When [the Rottweilers] saw the fear, one of them started biting Kaitlyn,'' Castellano said. ``I told them to stop screaming because they were making the dogs upset.''

Castellano said she laid on the girls to try and protect them from the dogs. She then tried to block the dogs to give the girls a chance to escape to a bedroom.

Nothing was working. The Rottweilers were going wild.

So Castellano and the girls bolted outside the house at 8126 Bay Drive. The girls ran to safety in a neighbor's house while Castellano distracted the dogs. The pit bull, Petey, joined in the attack.

The commotion outside attracted the attention of neighbors and a motorist passing by.

John M. Anderson and his wife were in their car and leaving a friend's house nearby when they passed by and saw three dogs attacking Castellano, according to a Hillsborough County sheriff's report. Anderson drove into the driveway and began blasting the horn and yelling out the window, trying to scare the dogs and allow Castellano to get into the car.

It seemed to work. The dogs stopped biting Castellano, but she couldn't make it to his car.

Anderson, 22, was about to get out of his car when he looked over his shoulder and saw a man toting a pistol. He kept honking his horn and sped away to get his friend, Justin Turner, who lived nearby.

The man with gun was Winston H. Harr, a next-door neighbor. He had heard screaming outside and grabbed his Kimber .45-caliber pistol. His wife, Deborah, came, too.

Harr said he saw Anderson's car moving back and forth in the driveway, and three dogs attacking a woman. Harr fired three shots into the ground to try and scare the dogs. They screamed at the dogs, but it didn't seem to matter. Deborah Harr called the dogs by name, and they stopped momentarily.

Then, without warning, the dogs charged at Harr. The pit bull bit him on the leg before Harr trained his pistol and fired, hitting the dog in the head. He also fired at one of the Rottweilers, and it fell to the ground.

Harr, a librarian's assistant at Jimmie B. Keel Regional Library near Carrollwood, said he fired the rest of his bullets at the third dog, and it seemed to back away. He bolted for his house for more ammunition and a flashlight.

Turner, who had heard the screams and was told by Anderson of the attacking dogs, grabbed his Glock .40-caliber pistol and ran to the scene. He was told there were three dogs, and only one was dead.

Turner, 33, told deputies he positioned himself between the wounded Castellano and the Rottweilers. When one of the dogs made a move toward him, he fired. Deputies believe it was his bullet that wounded the dog.

At that point, both Rottweilers retreated into the house.

Also arriving at the scene was neighbor George Lease, a Tampa police detective. Carrying his 9mm pistol, he found Harr and Turner at the house with their guns.

While Deborah Harr and Anderson comforted Castellano, the three armed neighbors searched the house and found the dogs, one wounded and on a couch and other other laying on the living room floor.

The wounded Rottweiler was euthanized later that night at Florida Veterinary Specialists, said Dennis McCullough, an investigator for Hillsborough County Animal Services.

The other Rottweiler was placed under quarantine at Animal Services until Wednesday, when it was euthanized.

Alysa was released from St. Joseph's Hospital on Jan. 26; Castellano remained hospitalized this week due to infections from the bites. Both mother and daughter needed more than 100 stitches each to close the wounds on their bodies.

Kaitlyn's injuries required 20 stitches, said her mother, Jennifer Harvey of Town 'N Country.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter said no one will be charged in the incident.

For Castellano, she said she doesn't know who fired the shots that spared her from the dogs.

``I thank them with all my heart. They saved my life.''


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This is why I would prefer a firearm over a dog to protect me. Thank goodness an armed citizen came to the rescue.

The good old .45 ACP is a very effective handgun round.

1 posted on 03/05/2003 5:21:18 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: *bang_list
To the Bang List!
2 posted on 03/05/2003 5:21:59 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
People are stupid about dogs. Unlike most dogs, Rotts and Pit Bulls have to be trained NOT to attack. Their natural instinct is to attack.
3 posted on 03/05/2003 5:26:00 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: g'nad
ping!
4 posted on 03/05/2003 5:26:20 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Thank God these people got involved!!
5 posted on 03/05/2003 5:29:48 AM PST by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I expect the PETAphiles and the Anti-Gun loony's will file lawsuits in favor of the Dogs rights.
6 posted on 03/05/2003 5:30:58 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
This is why I would prefer a firearm over a dog to protect me.

I wouldn't give up either my son's dog (a good even-tempered mutt who thinks he's a 45 lb. lap dog) or my weapons. With the dog there, my house is protected 24 hours a day whether I'm there or not. More importantly he serves as an early warning system at night when my family is asleep and very vunerable.

I'm not a breed bigot but stories like this cause me to think hard. (Perhaps I'm an over-bred bigot. ?)

7 posted on 03/05/2003 5:37:27 AM PST by LTCJ (If I need extra security, I'll let my parrot out of his cage. God help the buglar that crosses HIM.)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
These dogs are dangerous.

Time for an anti-freeze party.

Also, Happiness IS a warm gun.....yes it is.
8 posted on 03/05/2003 5:39:05 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
That's a great neighborhood! Three armed people arrive when trouble hits! And it says something about Rottweilers that it takes 3 people with guns to beat off an attack by 3 dogs.

I know this sort of breed has boosters on FR, but personally, I don't like the idea of a powerful breed of dog which occasionally goes crazy. Sometimes, it's the fault of the owner who abuses or deliberately trains the dog for fighting. And sometimes, it's just a family pet. THAT's the scary part.

9 posted on 03/05/2003 5:41:42 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: LTCJ
I'm not a breed bigot but stories like this cause me to think hard.

I am most definitely a breed bigot when it comes to pit bulls, most rotties, and most dobermans.

10 posted on 03/05/2003 5:43:00 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Ignore Alien Orders)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
I am most definitely a breed bigot when it comes to pit bulls, most rotties, and most dobermans.

OK. I lied. I am, too, when it comes to my kids.

11 posted on 03/05/2003 5:47:31 AM PST by LTCJ (If I need extra security, I'll let my parrot out of his cage. God help the buglar that crosses HIM.)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
The guy should have never left the house with people who were not in the dogs' "pack" in the house.

Lesson for the neighbor with the Kimber: always have an extra mag or two or three.
13 posted on 03/05/2003 5:57:24 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21
"Kimber .45-caliber pistol"

Kimber 45 bump! My wife is eyeballing the Ultra CDP II for when we can legally carry.

Semper Fi

14 posted on 03/05/2003 6:00:32 AM PST by dd5339 (Lookout Texas here we come!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The guy should have never left the house with people who were not in the dogs' "pack" in the house.

I was thinking the same thing. I believe that the kids screaming worsened the situation. I know too many parents who let their kids run around shrieking at the tops of their lungs. I was a kid, and I know kids play and have fun, but there was a certain type of screaming I was taught from an early age was inapropriate, and one only did if they were in serious trouble/pain/danger. I'd bet the dogs reacted to high-pitched shrieking/squealing that is typical of kids of those ages. It hurts my head, so Im sure it bothered the dog. Not that I wouldn't have shot the dogs either, but people have to be smart around dogs - that is both the owner and house guests.

15 posted on 03/05/2003 6:07:33 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: AppyPappy
"Unlike most dogs, Rotts and Pit Bulls have to be trained NOT to attack. Their natural instinct is to attack."

"That statement is about as intelligent as saying all blacks are lazy. I have a German Shepard and a Rot. My Rot is now and has always been the sweetest dog I have ever had. She has never attacked anything larger than the errant mouse that wanders through the house. Dogs are a reflection of the people who own them. They are like kids, you raise them to be violent, and that is what they will be. So please don't disparage a good breed simply because some moron did not properly raise his dogs, or trained them to be mean.

16 posted on 03/05/2003 6:10:50 AM PST by DaiHuy
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To: DaiHuy
I'm sure the dogs were really sweet too. Until they turned on the children.
17 posted on 03/05/2003 6:12:07 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Dogs of Peace Ping
18 posted on 03/05/2003 6:12:18 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Yup, the instinct was to attack when the pack was threatened by the outsider. But you'll notice they attacked the kids.
19 posted on 03/05/2003 6:15:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: xzins
And a COLD puppy?

When I lived in the Phillipines, I would say, happiness is a warm puppy, dog adobo, yum yum (not quite.)

Oh, Oh, my dogs are staring at me. Hope they didn't understand. Oops.
20 posted on 03/05/2003 6:16:43 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Dominus vobiscum)
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To: dd5339
My wife is eyeballing the [Kimber] Ultra CDP II for when we can legally carry.

You might also want to take a look at the Sig Sauer Mauser M2 .45 ACP Handgun. Right now it is only priced at around $425. It holds 8+1 rounds of .45 ACP, weighs 29 ounces and has a trigger pull of 8.8 pounds. It is about the same size as a Glock 23. It is probably going to be my next handgun. I love Sig Sauer handguns.


21 posted on 03/05/2003 6:16:57 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
911 bump.

Background check bump.

Trigger lock bump.

Home gun safe storage bump.

Gun registration bump.

No handgun bump.

Gravely concerned politicials' photo-ops bump.

Dead child bump.

God-given right, affirmed by our Constitution, but infringed by generations of politicians bump.
22 posted on 03/05/2003 6:17:15 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: ClearCase_guy; All
I'll take a Labarador any time for a pet. Like most dogs, they'll sound the alarm when trouble is near. By nature, they're not suitable as attack dogs.

The demeanor and appearance of most Dobermans, Pit Bulls, and Rotweilers give me the willies. I personally have no desire to be around these dogs. I did once make the acquaintance of a very friendly Rotweiler in its owner's presence. The owner told me that the dog "liked guys" and that I could pet the dog. I did and could feel how powerful and muscular the dog was. Its claws were long and it scratched my bare arms just being friendly. I hate to think how much damage it could do if annoyed.

23 posted on 03/05/2003 6:20:42 AM PST by GunsareOK (No further comments on guns necessary)
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To: AppyPappy
I'm sure the dogs were really sweet too. Until they turned on the children.

We have a Lab who is just a big baby and is very tolerant of the 3-year-old. But I won't turn my back on the two of them together.

24 posted on 03/05/2003 6:23:34 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (Objects in this tagline are closer than they appear.)
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To: AppyPappy
Three dogs are a pack. My rottie - the sweetest dog in the world, calmly turned and bit me in the thigh. Put him down the same day.

I am now protected by Mauser (my shepherd) who will intercept any intruder to be pet, giving me time to get my gun.

25 posted on 03/05/2003 6:26:26 AM PST by fawn796
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To: AppyPappy
Maybe the owners of bad dogs should under-go background checks, pay a fee and have to have a permit to keep and bear those potentially, deadly breeds of dogs, huh? Applause to all those armed neighbors who value the sanctity of life and limb. We need a Reality TV show titled "SOME Guns Save Lives".
26 posted on 03/05/2003 6:28:38 AM PST by aeronca
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To: AppyPappy
People are stupid about dogs. Unlike most dogs, Rotts and Pit Bulls have to be trained NOT to attack.

This is OBVIOUSLY the case of a moron compensating for some size deficiency by having a bunch of dogs he percieves as bad. What an idiot. Young kids and 3 big dogs. Pits unless inbred or beaten are generally great dogs. However it seems that most of them are now owned by inbred idiots.

27 posted on 03/05/2003 6:31:45 AM PST by Nov3
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Wow! Interesting read

A few comments
How many shots were fired at the three dogs?
How many shots scored?
Only ONE dog was killed by the shots??!!?!?!

Does this give anyone the idea that Rottwiellers are NOT exactly the friendliest, most docile, most "pet-like" or tamest animal on the face of the earth? Do I have to remind the readers of the power and impact energy of a large caliber pistol slug?

These people who own these dogs should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, IMHO, the same way the law would prosecute any "user of a deadly weapon" in a crime, because this is a crime, a crime of negligence and stupidity.

Speaking strictly for myself, I do NOT like big dogs, period, especially around children. Animals are by nature NOT TAME, and are unpredictable at best. I'm sure a ton of people with Fidos and Spots will disagree with me, so what? Animals have minds, and are therefore unpredictable in any situation, trained or not. I refuse to listen to those who own and defend deadly animals in cases like these.

28 posted on 03/05/2003 6:34:51 AM PST by China Clipper
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Apparently, when taking on dogs with "just" a .45, one should bring plenty of ammo...and your SureFire..

Harr, a librarian's assistant at Jimmie B. Keel Regional Library near Carrollwood, said he fired the rest of his bullets at the third dog, and it seemed to back away. He bolted for his house for more ammunition and a flashlight.

Did he miss? Or did the dog just eat 5 rounds of 45 FMJ/JHP whatever?

Sounds like a good argument for leaving the pistol and grabbing the 12GA.

Sheesh.

29 posted on 03/05/2003 6:37:10 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: GunsareOK
We had three labs. Put them together in a large kennel for the day while we were away. They broke out and killed all our chickens - something none of them would have done alone. My vet laughed at us. Told me three dogs are a pack.

By the way, my black lab, a nine-year-old, will not let anyone near my children or me when my husband is away - he will growl and then bite if you get too close. It is your responsibility to know the nature of your dog - not just its breed!

That being said, ain't it great to have armed neighbors!

30 posted on 03/05/2003 6:38:57 AM PST by fawn796
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; rugerman
May I introduce you to my friend rugerman? He's from California, a conservative, and didn't even know about Free Repubic!!

He joined yesterday and is still learning the ropes.
31 posted on 03/05/2003 6:39:25 AM PST by 2Jedismom (You just never know.)
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To: Nov3
Y'ever notice that no one is mauled by a happy Golden Retreiver?

Or by miniature dachshunds?

32 posted on 03/05/2003 6:40:03 AM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; Vic3O3
Both my wife and I are huge Sig fans. She had a 220 in 9mm in European configuration. She sold that to buy a 226 in 9mm. Just last Sunday she found a buyer for the 226.

Since we are heading to Texas in the near future we decided that 9mm was not to be the caliber for us with respect to carry, hence selling the 226.

We might have to throw that Mauser into the mix, that's a nice looking pistol. I'm wondering how it handles and fires though. Both my wife and I are picky about the handleing of the pistol, (Sigs & 1911's fit, Glock's and HK's don't). Guess we'll have to check it out at the next show.

Semper Fi
33 posted on 03/05/2003 6:43:56 AM PST by dd5339 (Lookout Texas here we come!)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
No, but I've been bitten by one (dachshund)!
34 posted on 03/05/2003 6:44:00 AM PST by fawn796
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Y'ever notice that no one is mauled by a happy Golden Retreiver?

Actually I think GR's account for the largest number of bites by breed - but they don't do much damage.

The problem with large, powerful working breeds is their capacity for destruction. Defenders of aggressive breeds have a point about the responsibility of the owner, but it's tough to ignore that the dog is an independent entity perfectly capable of doing whatever it chooses.

If a lab bites you, it's just annoying. Not so with a Rott, Canario, or Pit Bull having a bad day.

If you choose to keep "aggressive" breeds as pets or guard dogs, that's great, but like anything else you will bear the responsibility of your dogs misbehavior - and the "tougher" the dog, the greater the potential consequences.

35 posted on 03/05/2003 6:50:35 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
Yeah they aren't status symbols for inbred badasses. If they were you would see a body count.

My Black Lab was the apex of dog evolution. When He died I cried like a baby at 21 years old. I didn't cry at that point in my life! I had another lab attempt to attack me once however. Luckily there was a 1" black iron pipe handy that set the situation real clear in the dogs head. He is lucky I didn't have a pistol.

36 posted on 03/05/2003 6:51:02 AM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
Pit bulls are OK IF you train them. Most people don't have that desire. They just want a scary dog.
37 posted on 03/05/2003 6:51:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: AppyPappy
Every one of these monsters should be exterminated, the entire breed needs to go away. My life will not be complete until I either run one of these demons over, or put a slug in its thick cranium.
38 posted on 03/05/2003 6:55:44 AM PST by matthew_the_brain
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To: fawn796
"We had three labs. Put them together in a large kennel for the day while we were away. They broke out and killed all our chickens - something none of them would have done alone. My vet laughed at us. Told me three dogs are a pack.

What your vet told you is true. When we lived out in the rurals, local farm dogs would get together in the morning and go off on jaunts together. Individually, these dogs were fine, but as a pack, they shagged small cattle, goats and chickens.

39 posted on 03/05/2003 6:56:05 AM PST by aeronca
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To: dennisw; Yehuda
Palestinians of the dog world ping.
40 posted on 03/05/2003 7:00:05 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
"no one will be charged"...Why would that subject ever come up? Only in this socialist world in which we now find ourselves.
41 posted on 03/05/2003 7:01:12 AM PST by cynicom
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To: AppyPappy
Most people don't have that desire. They just want a scary dog.

The morons that own these dogs now and the breeding practices are the problem. It is amazing there isn't more carnage. It used to read in dog books that pits made lousy watch dogs because of their temperment and lack of territorality. That is obviously no longer the case with the present state of this breed. Dobermans were inbred during the 70's in the same way by the same class of dog owning morons.

Just what is it about with these people owning a big dog?

42 posted on 03/05/2003 7:01:47 AM PST by Nov3
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
My wife works for the Humane Society. More Rotties are brought in and euthanized than any other breed. People think they can make big lovable goofs out of them and then they find out different.
43 posted on 03/05/2003 7:02:34 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
Bang
44 posted on 03/05/2003 7:05:55 AM PST by chuknospam
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I wish all these incidents got reported so the general public would realize just how useful guns can be.

As to Rottweilers, someone dropped two dogs off here in a three day period. We live way out in the country and this happens occasionally. Both dogs were really good natured. The other dog appeared to be a Lab/bulldog mix plus probably a few others.

The Mixed breed is a really good tempered dog but for some reason did not like the Rottweiler. She was expecting pups. Anyway, within a week, she had literally run the Rottweiler off. The pups turned out to be little jewels. I have given 7 of 8 away already and am going to keep one male who looks just like his mother.

45 posted on 03/05/2003 7:13:22 AM PST by yarddog
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To: xsrdx
Harr, a librarian's assistant at Jimmie B. Keel Regional Library near Carrollwood, said he fired the rest of his bullets at the third dog, and it seemed to back away. He bolted for his house for more ammunition and a flashlight. Did he miss? Or did the dog just eat 5 rounds of 45 FMJ/JHP whatever?

Well...1st of all, one of the dogs had already bitten him. Which may mean his body was going into shock.

2ndly, maybe he doesn't go to the gun range every other week and practice. The vast majority of gun owners don't. Unfortunately, in many areas gun ranges are far and few between.

Finally - firing a pistol at a moving target when your glands have just dumped a massive dose of all kinds of funky stuff into you will negatively impact your accuracy. It is hard to shoot straight when your muscles are all trembling like you just had a double dose of amphetimines. Which is one reason why cops, who do get regular gun range time, miss so many shots in real world shooting situations.

46 posted on 03/05/2003 7:23:28 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I prefer my dog personally... but I would never have a Pit Bull or Rotweiller as a pet... I am sure many have them and will swear by them, but my dog is a guard dog, not an ATTACK dog.... anything around the house going on in the middle of the night, I am awake long before they get anywhere near inside. And my dog is one of the sweetest animals on the planet... would probably end up licking the intruder to death if they ever did get into the house, but she makes noise long before they get in, which is her job.

I would not choose the two breeds here as pets in my home.. but that's just me.
47 posted on 03/05/2003 7:24:39 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: dark_lord
firing a pistol at a moving target when your glands have just dumped a massive dose of all kinds of funky stuff into you will negatively impact your accuracy.

Absolutely - all the more reason not to bring a short gun to a long gun fight.

If you have time - these guys did - shotguns are superior dog medicine.

48 posted on 03/05/2003 7:31:02 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
And to think that Molly Ivins actually said: "You want protection? Get a dog."
49 posted on 03/05/2003 7:31:22 AM PST by coloradan
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
I have always been partial to German Sheps. I have had one or two constantly for about thirty five years. I have bred them, shown them, obedience trained them, loved them, etc. Even so, I ridded myself of a ten month old, beautiful male, within the past month. It broke my heart to do it, but the left brain tells me I did the right thing.

In spite of the fact that he never bit any one, he was not reliable enough to be trusted 100%, in my tearful but soul searched opinion. Neither positive or negative stimulus (or a combination of both) worked to make him reliably obey. He simply remained a little scary. With neighbors and grand kids, my conscience would not let me risk them for his sake.

I'm not a paragon of any virtue, or anything, but if any one reading this sees a problem like this, I hope they also face up to it.
50 posted on 03/05/2003 8:02:34 AM PST by shamusotoole
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