Somalia-Bantu Refugees to find New Lives in the United States

Department of State ^ | 02/05/03 | Department of State

[Nea Wood]

Why do we need a whole bunch more of any kind of people?

Amen to that! The people who are arguing about how wonderful and hard-working the immigrants are, how well they assimilate, how deserving they are, blah, blah, blah, are missing the point. I'm sure there are a whole bunch of really swell folks all over the world who would LOVE to come here. Do we take them all in until we ruin this country for everyone? It happens that many of the people we are taking in are the dregs...criminals, terrorists, welfare cheats, etc., etc., but even if they were all Mother Teresa, it wouldn't matter. We do not need a bunch more of any kind of people!

[Luis Gonzalez]

And you dennis, and as you plainly stated, want to base our immigration policy of the pigmentation of one's skin.

You prefer innundating this country with Eurosocialists who would go about the business of implementing the dying continent's failed policies, and you would be as happy as a pig in you-know-what watching them build the ultimate socialist society that would in fact involve itself into wealth redistribution even more than we do today.

And you would love it as long as everyone looked like you.

[Luis Gonzalez]

My "actions"?

There are no actions by anyone here other than striking a keyboard.

Your assumptions about what I know or not know, your snide remarks (such as the few in this last post) and your general "crap don't stink" attitude is what acerbic here, you don't know me, but you ASSume that I don't know the nature of money...I do, and I was able to prove that to you as it turned out.

You go on discussing what should be, while the rest of us deal with what is, and you knock yourself out mischaracterizing passion as “emotion based reasoning”, it doesn’t hold water.

P.S. The whole font thing is damned-near as annoying as you are.

[FITZ]

In the past there was vast amounts of land to homestead and maybe they could afford to allow whole towns from Europe or other places to relocate here but now most of the land is owned by someone, is being used in some way or is not that inhabitable. I don't think the government should be importing entire communities of people, it's different if individuals decide to come here and can work and be self-reliant.

Also people forget that one out of three European immigrants returned home within a short time ---often because they couldn't make it here but that was before our welfare programs ---now people don't have to make it on their own.

[Dante3]

The issue is very simple: We do not need more people for anywhere. We already have too many people. It's lunacy to keep bringing in more and to keep our borders open.

However, whenever you see someone going into a frenzy over bringing in more and more immigrants, illegal or legal, that person has personal gain or some other agenda tht is not beneficial for this country.

We have limited land, limited resources, we already have lost greatly in our quality of life because of population growth.

[Copernicus]

Your assumptions about what I know or not know, your snide remarks (such as the few in this last post) and your general "crap don't stink" attitude is what acerbic here, you don't know me, but you ASSume that I don't know the nature of money...I do, and I was able to prove that to you as it turned out. You go on discussing what should be, while the rest of us deal with what is, and you knock yourself out mischaracterizing passion as “emotion based reasoning”, it doesn’t hold water. P.S. The whole font thing is damned-near as annoying as you are.

I will annoy you no further. Should you at some time elect to post with civility, dignity and honor and publicly pledge to maintain standards of well reasoned debate, I may choose to resume a dialog with you.

In the meantime we must part and go our separate ways.

I wish you the very best in all your endeavors.

Best regards,

[Luis Gonzalez]

[dirtboy]

So the 85% 3rd worlders we have admitted since 1965 are these people you mention? I doubt it.

The point is, I don't think that Europeans would necessarily be an improvement in that category, for the reasons I stated. So believing that admitting a higher percentage of Europeans would solve many of the current problems associated with immigration is a falsehood. I don't think it would hurt to admit more Europeans than the current ratios, out of fairness, but most of the problems with immigration, with a few exceptions, stem from attitudes here, not the attitudes of the cultures of the source countries. It wasn't Third World immigrants who changes the laws here regarding welfare, assimilation and education - it was citizen liberals.

[WOTT]

I do not believe that we should allow the Somalis into the U.S. This country is always considered to be the "Big-Bully" of the world and this may be partially true but, we did not cause the refugee problem. We cannot afford the 12,000 Somalis on top of our ever increasing poverty level and unemployment rate. We are not the country of origin of these people and we are not responsible for all of the down trodden groups in the world. I am not willing to make allowances for these people to pay for the basic life skills that they do not have. I am not willing to give them an education better than the education I can afford for my children. I am not willing to be politically correct in my own country as to not hurt the image of these people. The United States must stand for the People of the UNITED STATES and not those that are a problem created by countries on a regular basis that are not held responsible by the U.N. The countries that caused this problem should have to repair this problem. Why should we bring a group of people into our society that are, by no fault of ours displaced from their country? Why is is the U.S. that has to be the good guy? The United Nations should grow up and sanction those countries that are responsible for the Somali situation and stop looking for the U.S. to be the welfare of the world!
Potential problems:
Political unrest.
Higher taxes.
Higher unemployment rate.
The U.S. should take care of its own, not the refugees of the rest of the world.

[Copernicus]

While you make many good points, Somali Bantu immigration is not the problem.

The devil is in the details and details here require people in the United States to impoverish themselves at the whim and caprice of unaccountable bureaucrats.

There are undoubtably many Somali Bantus who can make outstanding contributions to this country and we should welcome them with open arms.

But this particular setup stinks to high heaven and should not be tolerated.

Best regards,

[WOTT]

So what we as a country should do is to somehow recognize those immigrants with something to add to our society, correct?

The only issue may be that those that can add can also subtract. It is not that I disagree with your reply I am just somewhat concerned with the possibility of inadvertantly allowing another group of terrorists into our country. We stand a chance of becoming the next Julius to a future Brutus.

Perhaps the answer is to contribute from within by increasing our own abilities and let the world follow that lead.

Strengthen from within.

[Copernicus]

So what we as a country should do is to somehow recognize those immigrants with something to add to our society, correct?

Correct. The bureaucrats are hard at work fixing something that isn't really broken until it is certain to be ruined beyond all repair.

In the first place everyone here is an immigrant. Everyone. Even, or especially,the so called "Native Americans". There are no "Native Americans" only "Orginal Immigrants"

If our scientists are to be believed these "Orginal Immigrants" may have had the roughest and most daring journey of all, crossing the "land bridge" into this continent equipped with little more than flint blades attached to bone handles with rawhide and animal skins for protection against the elements as both clothing and shelter.

Whatever motivated them is far beyond the comprehension of even the toughest modern human though it can still be reduced to the desire for a better life to be attained by their own efforts.

They were given stewartship of this land for centuries, possibly even thousands of years and were finally displaced when Spanish Explorers decimated their ranks with diseases from which they had been too long isolated.

To suggest the long tradition of sweat,blood and tears be replaced with the arbitrary and capricious whim of anonymous bureaucrats who disperse nearly unlimited taxes to "worthy groups" as determined by an unpublished set of rules is to really do tremendous damage to a system which has served Humans well beyond memory.

I certainly see no benefit when I am involuntarily conscripted to serve the ends of people who may or may not be an imminent threat to me and my loved ones.

People who have a contribution to make will find their way here under their own steam.

Why fix something that ain't broke?

Best regards,