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Superbug's new strain thrives outside hospitals
The Times ^ | March 6, 2003 | Mark Henderson

Posted on 03/05/2003 3:38:11 PM PST by MadIvan

A NEW strain of the drug- resistant superbug MRSA has escaped from hospitals to infect thousands of healthy adults across the United States, hitting hardest among homosexual men.

The bacterium, which normally affects only sick and elderly hospital in-patients, is striking fit Americans with no links to the hospitals in which it thrives, raising fears of an epidemic that could spread to Britain. The germs, which can withstand many common antibiotics, are transmitted by skin contact, with no need for an open wound.

Outbreaks have been reported in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Boston and Miami. Most of those affected are homosexual men and prison inmates, but athletes and schoolchildren involved in contact sports have also fallen ill.Precise figures for the number of infections are not available, because MRSA is not a notifiable disease in the United States, but public health officials believe cases already run into the thousands, with several deaths.

The disease normally manifests itself as a skin condition, beginning with sores that resemble insect bites, and progressing to cause painful abscesses and boils. In rarer cases, when it reaches the lungs or the bloodstream, it can cause life-threatening pneumonia or septicaemia.

MRSA, which stands for methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, has for years been a problem in hospitals, where it infects open wounds and bedsores, taking advantage of the weakened immune systems of seriously ill or elderly patients.It is named as a contributory cause of death in 20 per cent of death certificates issued in British hospitals where staphylococcal infection was a factor.

The bacteria, however, have never been considered dangerous beyond the wards. The emergence of a strain that is spreading through the wider community, details of which are reported today in New Scientist magazine, has alarmed public health officials on both sides of the Atlantic. Scott Fridkin, a medical epidemiologist at the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, said: “We are greatly concerned that MRSA has emerged in the community in people with no ties to healthcare.”

Tyrone Pitt, deputy director of the Laboratory of Healthcare Associated Infections, said that while there was no evidence that the strain had arrived in Britain, it was a genuine threat. “It is very difficult to predict its impact. If it manifests itself just as a skin infection, that is not that threatening. If the result is pneumonia in relatively healthy people, that’s a completely different scenario,” he said.

The Atlanta centre has yet to complete testing to confirm the strain that is spreading in the community, but health officials in Los Angeles said all the outbreaks there appeared to have been caused by a strain first isolated in New York in 1997. Most of the US cases so far have occurred in San Francisco and Los Angeles, among homosexual men who have had multiple sexual partners. The disease is not thought to be sexually transmitted, but as it is contagious through skin contact, sexual promiscuity has an indirect effect on risk. Its effects are not confined to HIV-positive men.

Several prisons in California have reported MRSA outbreaks among inmates, and there have also been outbreaks in schools, particularly among athletes involved in contact sports. In Pasadena 50 pupils at one school were diagnosed with the condition, mostly members of the school’s football team.

On the rise

MRSA: Methicillin- resistant Staphylococcus aureus

First identified: mid-eighties

Recorded UK cases 1992: 104 2001: 4,904

Confirmed UK deaths 1993: 13 1998: 114

Resistant to: methicillin, oxacillin, nafcillin, cephalosporins

Susceptible to: vancomycin


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: bacteria; disease; homosexuals; mrsa; outbreak
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Worrisome.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 03/05/2003 3:38:12 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mr. Mulliner; Semper911; Bubbette; Kip Lange; dixiechick2000; UofORepublican; kayak; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 03/05/2003 3:38:57 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
I don't like the sound of that alright! Eurgh!
3 posted on 03/05/2003 3:41:23 PM PST by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
Resistant to: methicillin, oxacillin, nafcillin, cephalosporins

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In the 80s cephalosporins were the form of treatment.

4 posted on 03/05/2003 3:45:46 PM PST by RLK
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To: MadIvan
Wonder how resistant it is to soap and water?..
Tell your health professionals to wash their hands real well between patients..
5 posted on 03/05/2003 3:47:54 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: MadIvan
This has been a concern of my wife's for about a decade.

As I recall it cannot be cured, it can only be suppressed.
6 posted on 03/05/2003 3:49:55 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: joesnuffy
Very resistant.
7 posted on 03/05/2003 3:50:15 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Maelstrom
Vancomycin can be used to treat this. Besides, if it effects "healthy" people then why is it more common in a segment i.e. homosexuals? It should effect all groups equally.
8 posted on 03/05/2003 3:58:27 PM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: Maelstrom
This disease is a perfect metaphor for the American Left.
9 posted on 03/05/2003 3:58:57 PM PST by Galtoid
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To: Galtoid
I disagree.

Logic and Reasoning can prevent and sometimes cure individuals on the American Left.

There's nothing for this disease.
10 posted on 03/05/2003 4:01:27 PM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: MadIvan
Read the VERY first sentence slowly again, everyone......it says it's hitting "thousands of healthy adults across the United States, hitting hardest among homosexual men."

My questions....are homosexual mens practices healthy? Why is it hitting them the hardest? (Yes, these are rhetorical questions.) And, I think the writer is in error in making this claim. And, it really fries me that we will let a group of people do this.....what if they had smallpox? Or, God forbid, what if they were smokers in a restaurant in California? (In other words, maybe it's time for fines for the homosexual community to pay for the costs of medical problems they cause. Boy, that might put a stop to some activism....LOL.)

11 posted on 03/05/2003 4:09:40 PM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: MadIvan
Superbug's new strain thrives outside hospitals

If you aren't a but pirate this is not a problem YET. They will do their best to send this to the population as a whole.

12 posted on 03/05/2003 4:21:20 PM PST by Nov3
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To: arkfreepdom
Besides, if it effects "healthy" people then why is it more common in a segment i.e. homosexuals?

The gays use antibiotics prophylactically against the scores of diseases they expose themselves to. Hence they create vast quantities of disease resistant bacteria. Really pretty hugh?

13 posted on 03/05/2003 4:24:59 PM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
Hubby who is a pathologist say he has been seeing really nasty specimans in last few weeks of huge excisions of skin infections proving to be MRSA. He says everyone wash his hands many times a day, avoid skin contact with others. It is really bad.
14 posted on 03/05/2003 4:27:43 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: goodnesswins
I pay for my own medical insurance. One year, my insurance premiums jumped a couple of hundred dollars a month. I complained to the state insurance commissioner who told me that I was paying for aids victims, drunks, and drug addicts.

It's about time that people who indulge in risky behavior pay for it.
15 posted on 03/05/2003 4:28:21 PM PST by ladylib
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To: arkfreepdom
Vancomycin ain't gonna work for long. It's only a matter of time before it develops resistance to that, too.
16 posted on 03/05/2003 4:30:35 PM PST by dinodino
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To: ladylib
Ever thought of getting "catastrophic health insurance?" Our self employed accountant (family of 4) does that, and negotiates doctor and hospital fees. It was worth it to him.
17 posted on 03/05/2003 4:30:36 PM PST by goodnesswins (Thank the Military for your freedom and security....and thank a Rich person for jobs.)
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To: arkfreepdom
MRSA is becoming increasingly resistant to even Vancomycin, as the superbug mutates and produces stronger strains of the bug. In my experience, I have seen many cases of MRSA resistant to Vanco.
18 posted on 03/05/2003 4:30:44 PM PST by travelnurse
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To: travelnurse
Ugh...scary stuff. I heard of a resistant S. aureus strain popping up in Japan a few years ago--if it's here, it's really bad news. The folks on this thread who are claiming this is a gay problem are dangerously uninformed.
19 posted on 03/05/2003 4:33:42 PM PST by dinodino
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To: travelnurse
I have heard reports this can be spread by using hottubs with those who have it,,read this several weeks ago.
20 posted on 03/05/2003 4:34:24 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
Check this out.
21 posted on 03/05/2003 4:37:07 PM PST by Amelia
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To: MadIvan
Good Lord,one more thing to worry about.
22 posted on 03/05/2003 4:41:15 PM PST by Mears
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To: dinodino
VRSA also know as VRE (Vanco Resistant Staph Aureus) has been around a long time in acutely ill hospital and nusing home patients. It is quite common on respirator dependent patients. The cause is due to hospitals not properly disinfecting patient rooms where a patient had the disease, died or was discharged, and another patient was admitted to the same room, and developed the infection. It is also quite common in the OR, especially with patients having orthopaedic surgery, and many patients have had to have limbs amputated to avoid the spread of the disease.

To everyone, here's some information I found that is worth looking into:


Colloidal Silver -The Ultimate Antibiotic:

Silver has long been known for its special properties. The people of ancient Greece and Rome used silver containers for keeping liquids fresh. Through the centuries, Royal households carried on this practice by storing their provisions in silver containers. Privileged family members used silver eating utensils; they had their meals served on silver plates and their drinks served in silver cups. Indeed, the skin of 'blue blood' reportedly had a bluish tinge due to the minute traces of pure metallic silver they regularly consumed. In American pioneering days, new settlers traveling to the West would put silver dollars in their milk to delay spoiling.
By the turn of the 20th century, silver was regarded as a proven germ-fighter. In medicine, a solution known as "Colloidal Silver" was commonly used as a mainstay of antibacterial treatment. Although considered to be "high tech" at that time, the particle size of the silver solution never reached its optimum ultramicroscopic size and its highest level of efficacy.
Back then, highly effective Colloidal silver was very expensive to produce. The pharmaceutical industry wanted faster-working drugs that were cheaper and patienable. In addition, when manufactured improperly, or taken at hundreds of time the proper dosage with extraneous silver compounds included, a permanent skin discoloration called Argyria, could result. For these reasons, Colloidal Silver fell out of favor. Even so, such prestigious journals as the results of scientific studies examined the many successful uses of Colloidal Silver.
Today most airlines use Silver Water filters on their aircraft and NASA uses Silver to purify the Astronauts Water Supply. (Did you know that!!)
In 1910, Dr. Henry Crooks a pioneer in colloidal chemistry wrote that; ".....Certain metals, when in a colloidal state, have a highly germicidal action but are quite harmless to human beings...it may be applied in a much more concentrated form and with better results...Bronchial Tuberculosis...Staphylococcus Pyogenes...various Streptococci and other Pathogenic Organisms are killed in three to four minutes -yes minutes!!
In 1919, Alfred Searle, founder of the pharmaceutical conglomerate Searle Pharmaceutical, wrote in his book "The use of Colloids in Health,"......applying Colloidal Silver to human subjects has been done in most cases with astonishingly successful results. For internal administration, orally of hypodermically it has the advantage of being rapidly fatal to parasites without toxic action on its hot. It is quite stable.
Colloidal Silver Re-appraised

Mush later, in the 1970's Colloidal Silver again became a valued substance. Doctors at Washington University in St. Lois, Missouri, stumbled upon it while researching for effective treatment for burn victims, having tried many other medicines. Biomedical research has shown that no known disease-causing organism, bacteria, virus or fungus can live more that a few minutes in the presence of even minute traces of metallic silver.
For further information contact PRIMROSE WELLNESS CENTER

This information is for educational information purposes, it is not meant to be used as medical advice, or diagnoses. Consult with your licensed health practitioner.











23 posted on 03/05/2003 5:29:54 PM PST by travelnurse
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To: arkfreepdom
It should effect all groups equally.

The way I read this is that it probably would, if given the chance. Ref the comments on athletes and school kids (football team). The key seems to be skin contact. Obvious for the queer / fag community but also for athletes (kids, anyone) in contact sports.

Nice to meet you, but your F'n crazy if you think I'm going to shake your hand.

LVM

24 posted on 03/05/2003 5:33:22 PM PST by LasVegasMac
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To: MadIvan
Homosexual men, as a rule, are not healthy. Many are HIV infected, which lowers their resistance. Many use a mixture of recreational drugs, which also weakens their health. And many practice grossly unsafe sex, which leads to the transmission of all kinds of diseases.

These people incubate and spread diseases among themselves with their risky behavior, but regretably some of these diseases can then move into the general population and infect others.
25 posted on 03/05/2003 5:44:07 PM PST by Cicero
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To: arkfreepdom
Logic trumps fear:

Vancomycin can be used to treat this. Besides, if it effects "healthy" people then why is it more common in a segment i.e. homosexuals? It should effect all groups equally.

26 posted on 03/05/2003 5:47:16 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: goodnesswins
I have that now.
27 posted on 03/05/2003 5:54:17 PM PST by ladylib
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To: MadIvan
Is this the evolution of the bug, or is God actively involved?
28 posted on 03/05/2003 5:57:15 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: MadIvan
Is this the evolution of the bug, or is God actively involved?
29 posted on 03/05/2003 5:58:13 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
You think God has a vendetta against patients undergoing surgery?
30 posted on 03/05/2003 6:18:54 PM PST by dinodino
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To: dinodino
The folks on this thread who are claiming this is a gay problem are dangerously uninformed.

These diseases have been with us in the hospital settings for years but were exceedingly rare outside of a hospital setting. Now they are flaring up badly in non hospital stting in a certain community. It may offend your sensibilities to say what community that is but everyone here knows it. The male homosexual community. There I said it. The practices in this community will spread it to every major city and eventually to the heterosexual community.

It may offend you but it is true. The outbreaks are taking place in homosexual communities NOW. It will affect all of us sooner or later.

31 posted on 03/05/2003 6:33:43 PM PST by Nov3
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To: dinodino
The folks on this thread who are claiming this is a gay problem are dangerously uninformed.



This is basically a disease problem with those who have compromised immune systems and live a dangerous, active homosexual lifestyle and who don't care about infecting the rest of society who may be otherwise healthy.

32 posted on 03/05/2003 6:41:39 PM PST by travelnurse
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To: travelnurse
This is basically a disease problem with those who have compromised immune systems and live a dangerous, active homosexual lifestyle and who don't care about infecting the rest of society who may be otherwise healthy.

Not to mention the rampant prophylactic use of powerful antibiotics to prevent infection from the spectrum of social diseases they expose themselves to. I bet this is where this particular strain originated. I know four different people who have come up with MRSA and resistant strep infections. They all got it in surgery. All of them. None of them passed it to anyone. This is being passed from more than casual contact but it is out there in public now. Not just staph or strep infections but this nasty shit.

33 posted on 03/05/2003 6:53:11 PM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
You've made my point exactly: "have been with us in the hospital settings for years." Disease resistance and abuse of antibiotics is a serious business and affects everyone.
34 posted on 03/05/2003 6:55:31 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Nov3
Note that hospitals are ideal breeding grounds for resistant strains...well, ALMOST ideal. The IDEAL breeding ground is the patient who does not run the entire course of his antibiotic therapy.
35 posted on 03/05/2003 6:57:12 PM PST by dinodino
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To: travelnurse
In my experience, I have seen many cases of MRSA resistant to Vanco.

Vancomycin resisitant MRSA is relatively rare. You are probably thinking of VRE..Vancomycin resistant enterococcus.

36 posted on 03/05/2003 6:59:20 PM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: dinodino
You've made my point exactly: "have been with us in the hospital settings for years." Disease resistance and abuse of antibiotics is a serious business and affects everyone.

Not quite. The disease in hospital setting has mainly been manifested in surgical situations. There almost always was a skin penetration of some kind. The hospitals were the reservoirs for these bug. Cut yourself in public no problem. In a hospital another story. Now for the first time it is being spread outside of a hospital enviroment in clusters. Where and who by? You don't want to answer these question. Not only that, reports indicate this is being spread by casual contact. Now admittedly slamming some stranger is not my definition of casual but it is still scary. If this shit gets out there in a big way it could be a disaster.

37 posted on 03/05/2003 7:03:16 PM PST by Nov3
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To: travelnurse
Travelnurse,

I really wish I knew whether colloidal silver, in the form of commercial or homemade preparations, is effective and non-toxic. There is no question that silver has anti-bacterial properties and is used industrially for that purpose. My own family has used a commercial product and my wife feels it has been effective for chronic sinus infections (and no sign of blue skin, thankfully).

Here is a Rense article about argyria (blue-toned skin with counterpoint).

http://www.rense.com/general12/blueasdf.htm

Colloidal Silver - Will It Turn You Blue?

By Steven Bratman, M.D.

8-17-1

Note - Colloidal silver in the proper size particle and within safe parts per million ratios have been effective against many bacterial issues. Unfortunately, more is not necessarily better and some products have too high a ppm and/or too large silver particles...which can lead to potential trouble...as indicated below. - ed

The metal silver can kill bacteria and is often used for this purpose in water purifiers. Based on this fact, silver- containing supplements are widely marketed for the prevention and treatment of numerous diseases. However, there is no real evidence that such supplements provide any benefit, and they can produce a peculiar and permanent side effect called argyria.

Medicinal silver is most often sold as colloidal silver protein (CSP). In a recent case report, a 56-year-old man noticed a blue discoloration under his fingernails.1 He had been taking CSP supplements daily for 3 years, in hopes of preventing colds and allergies. The diagnosis was argyria, a blue-black tinting of the skin and mucous membranes caused by a build- up of silver. Numerous similar cases have been reported in recent years.2,3

In argyria, silver deposited in the body reacts with the sun through a process similar to that of the development of a photographic negative. This leads to permanent discoloration of the skin. Changes may be seen in the eyes, lips, and nose as well.

The condition was even more common in decades past, when CSP was an accepted medical treatment. Fortunately, argyria is seldom dangerous, although in some cases nerve damage may occur.

Under current law, supplements may not be taken off the market until they are proven dangerous. Thus, it is up to consumers to protect themselves. We advise that you avoid products containing CSP unless you don't mind turning permanently blue!

1. Gulbranson SH, Hud JA, Hansen RC. Argyria following the use of dietary supplements containing colloidal silver protein. Cutis. 2000;66:373ñ374, 376.

2. Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver products for medical indications: risk- benefit assessment. J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34:119ñ 126.

3. Chomchai S, Kim SY. Argyria secondary to chronic ingestion of colloidal silver [abstract]. J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 2000;38:552ñ553.

Comment

From Bob Travers travers@cwnet.com 8-18-1

Dear Jeff,

The article on colloidal silver was very jaded! Here are some facts:

1. If the pure silver is down to .001 microns in particle size, or smaller, the silver will pass on through our systems with no residuals in organ tissues (other than being used as a matabolite and with other chemical reactions in the body). If the silver particle size is small enough there can't be toxicity in any form.

2. Colloidal silver kills all bacteria given sufficient contact time, that is why we have to replenish the good bacteria in the body after using it.

3. One of my customers (change RO filters once a year, etc) had overdosed with silver for 4-5 years (with a generator that doesn't get particle size down small enough). His is the worst skin reaction I have seen, but one year after changing his intake source and quantity, his skin returned to normal pigmentation.

4. All the skin cells of the epidermis are completely replaced in 7 years.

5. Personal experience...I have been subligating my colloidal silver for a 10 minute duration at night every other day (incubation of bacteria is 24- 96 hours normally, viruses 12-48 hours). Dentists won't like this to get out the to general public....subligating for 10 minutes wipes out all the bacteria trying to exist in between teeth and gums. I needed a root canal 3 years ago and the pain was killing me...when I remembered the research paper I read (dated 1906) that stated silver needed 6 minutes of contact time to stop the respiration cycle of the bacterium.

People don't need to suffer from cavities again if they do a preventive program with colloidal silver. Within 15 minutes of my first time subligating for 10 minutes - 3years ago - the tremendous pain that I felt with every heartbeat was gone forever. I have been taking it for over 5 years and have not had a common cold or flu bug...although it (CS) doesn't work against all viruses and microorganisms. But what a blessing to human kind if we can kee it from being suppressed again...like it was in 1938.

Take Care & Peace be with you,

Bob Travers

Chico CA MainPage http://www.rense.com

38 posted on 03/05/2003 7:06:20 PM PST by steve86 (O.J. did it.)
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To: goodnesswins
The sentence, probably puposely, presents "healthy people" as a subset of the homosexual community in a clever, misleading mannner.

This deception promotes more widspread concern in the hopes of developing more support for control of the disease which would probably be dismissed as nothing more than an anticipated consequence of aberrant behavior if it's modal vector were emphasized.

Its called expanding the base.

39 posted on 03/05/2003 7:06:25 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: travelnurse
Bump on the silver, found it here, used it for years. Check out a search on how to make your own generator, instead of paying GNC's high prices. A generator runs about $45 with parts from Radio Shack and silver is so very cheap to make.
The only thing is it must be specific silver, that info can also be acquired through a search. The silver is cheap and bottled distilled water, that is all you need!
40 posted on 03/05/2003 7:16:03 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: arkfreepdom
Besides, if it effects "healthy" people then why is it more common in a segment i.e. homosexuals?

Because your average American gay man touches more skin on more different people in a month than a straight man will in a lifetime. I know a fellow who lives in Atlanta, is very gay, is a graphic artist. He estimated for me once that over the course of a three-year period, he'd had intimate contact with over 1500 men.

And he wasn't the most promiscuous man he knew.

41 posted on 03/05/2003 7:16:48 PM PST by Oberon (Had had more tools in him than Mr. Goodwrench's garage)
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To: BearWash
#2. I use acidophilus
42 posted on 03/05/2003 7:17:42 PM PST by JustPiper
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To: Nov3
There is a product that's been on the market for a few years now that does things to the immune system that are quite unique.

A two year study on its effect on people who are suffering with AIDS in Africa was recently completed and the results are allegedly remarkable. The paper detailing the results is being prepared.

43 posted on 03/05/2003 7:35:17 PM PST by ohmage
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To: RLK
We've had a MRSA case where I work. Nasty business.
44 posted on 03/06/2003 1:03:05 AM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: cajungirl
If you sit in a public-access sauna, you should sit on at least one towel.
45 posted on 03/06/2003 1:19:50 AM PST by 185JHP ( Brisance. Puissance. Resolve.)
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To: madg
Where have you heard that? Do you have a cite?

From the horse's mouth so to speak.

47 posted on 03/06/2003 3:18:49 PM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
bump
48 posted on 03/06/2003 4:24:39 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: madg
But that's not what you implied. You implied that antibiotics are some kind of widespread "recreational drug" in the "gay community," and that is simply ridiculous.

No you sir are ridiculous. Venereal diseases are a fact of life for active homosexuals who make the club scene. I never implied that it was a widespread "recreational drug". I said active homosexual men use the drugs prophylactically after "parties" where a group of them gets together and go at it. That sir is a fact. I was close friends from youth with a person who later became a very active homosexual. We both went to UTK and he went wild there. He regularly engaged in these "parties" and when quized by me as to whether he was afraid of venereal diseases he was blunt and told me that he already had herpes and had had Hep A. As to the bacterial ones he just took courses of antibiotics on a regular basis. I did not ask him his source of antibiotics but I will bet my bottom dollar he was not the only one engaging in this type of antibiotic use. He died of AIDS in 1987. He was a good person and went through a great deal of agony knowing he was going to die. It was very hard to watch.

In other words: "no," you cannot provide a cite.

I cannot provide a cite for a great deal of homosexual behavior. That does not mean it does not occur. I can however provide cites for prophylactic antibiotic use for venereal diseases especially for the military. Go to pubmed and do a search. I assure you that this is a practice in active sexual communities and none are more active than the homosexual.

Please... spare us

NO you spare US. You are in denial if you think that active homosexuals don't take these measures. I would if I engaged in sex with a dozen partners in one night.

You are clueless if you believe otherwise.

50 posted on 03/07/2003 6:35:44 PM PST by Nov3
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