Posted on 03/08/2003 9:29:27 AM PST by forest
"....This MOST IMPORTANT PART of the Bill of Rights -- the PREAMBLE which tells SPECIFICALLY that the Bill of Rights was to make sure the government knew it was limited to the powers stated in the Constitution, and if it didn't, the Amendments spell out the Rights of the People the government couldn't change. Our revisionist historians ALWAYS leave this off the Constitution!!! It is imperative that the complete text be included in any study, interpretation or construction of the contents and the Limitations of government imposed by the Constitution for the United States.
It has been stated that some scholars don't think this is important. This is a fallacy.
It is IMPERATIVE for the following reason:
The first ten amendments are "declaratory and restrictive clauses". This means they supersede and restrict all previous parts of the Constitution, and restrict all subsequent amendments to the framework of the Bill of Rights amendments. The Bill of Rights amendments are a declaration in very plain language of the restrictions to the powers of government and "STATE".
There are people in this country that do not want us to know that this Preamble ever existed. For many years these words and understanding have been "omitted" from presentations of our Constitution.
Public and private schools and colleges alike have based the education of the people and their whole interpretation of the Constitution on this fraudulent omission. (Indeed, when I was searching for it, I was informed by the Dean of the Law School at UC Berkley, that the Bill of Rights amendments had no Preamble.)140
Corrupt judiciary and politicians have, through clever deception, erected interpretations and statutes that fly in the face, in direct contravention of the Bill of Rights amendments. The amendments and their declaratory and restrictive intent can be changed only by due process and the will of the people, as prescribed in the Fifth Article of the Original Constitution.
The Bill of Rights amendments, being declaratory and restrictive, are separate from all the other amendments. The Bill of Rights amendments restrict the Constitution. The Constitution restricts the powers of government and "STATE".
The deception is that government and "STATE" can interpret all of the Amendments and the Constitution itself, to serve the ends of "STATE".
By Omitting and Ignoring the Preamble to the Bill of Rights this has been done, usurping the Rights of the People.
As Thomas Cooley has said in "Principles of Constitutional Law":
"Legislators have their authority measured by the Constitution, they are chosen to do what it permits, and NOTHING MORE, and they take solemn oath to obey and support it . . . To pass an act when they are in DOUBT, whether it does or does not violate the Constitution, is to treat as of no force the most imperative obligations any person can assume."
We the People must end the deception. The ten Amendments adopted make the so-called American Bill of Rights. The plain fact is that these Amendments do not confer any rights on anyone.
These RIGHTS are INHERENT to all FREE MEN, bestowed on them by their CREATOR...."
(SEE LINK ABOVE)
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were whisked away from their special place at the National Archives some time back (shortly before 911 if I remember correctly), to undergo a "restoration project".
SEE ALSO http://www.barefootsworld.net/article1.html
SEE ALSO GET THAT GOLD FRINGE OFF MY FLAG! http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm
Has info about Asset Seizure and Forfeiture. You should see the rest of the site as well. VERY interesting!
That being said, Estrada is on the board of directors of a group WHO IS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF ASSET SEIZURE AND FORFEITURE!!! AND BIOMETRIC PEOPLE TRACKING!!!! AND STRIP SEARCHES OF KIDS IN SCHOOLS!!!! AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH A "FREE REPUBLIC"!!!! OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATS DON'T LIKE HIM, OR AT LEAST PRETEND NOT TO, WHAT IS IT THAT Y'ALL LIKE ABOUT HIM? Hispanics Call for 'Cool Down' on Estrada http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/843004/posts?page=39
Sorry for shouting.
We keep hearing that Estrada is recommended by the American Bar Association. WHO are they??? See here:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm
Ninety-Five Theses Against the New World Order - A call for a Paradigm Shift Vine and Fig Tree http://members.aol.com/VF95Theses/paradigm.htm
I posted the above at another thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/859806/posts
Don't even recall it. Summer storms come and go quickly.
Some annoying squalls (tpaine, e.g.) linger seemingly forever.
Ding dong!
This post may helpstop that crap:
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Why can't I own nuclear weapons
Why can't I own nuclear weapons? The Second Amendment guarantees it!
This argument comes up from time to time during gun control arguments. An anti-gun person who intends to use it as a strawman argument usually offers it facetiously or sarcastically. A strawman is a logical fallacy in which a debater exaggerates an opponent's position, directs arguments at this exaggerated position, and claims to have defeated the opponent's real argument.
The Second Amendment guarantees individual citizens the right to keep and bear arms. Even professors who can only be described as extremely left-wing have come to this conclusion. For example, the prominent law professor Laurence Tribe, has reluctantly concluded that this Amendment explicitly upholds the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.1 The writings of our Founding Fathers reveal that there were two sociological reasons to uphold this natural right: To prevent crime, and to defend against a rogue domestic government. As example of the Founders thoughts on the crime-deterrent effect of civilian firearms possession, I give you Thomas Jefferson: "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity ... will respect the less important and arbitrary ones ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." And as an example of how the Founders felt about civilian firearms possession as regards keeping our government 'honest and upright', I give you, again, Thomas Jefferson, who warns: And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. And from John Adams: Therefore, we can reasonably suppose that the Founders intended us to have access to every manner of weapon for defense of home and of liberty. However, therein lies the rub: Does every manner of weapon mean access to nuclear weapons, biological weapons, chemical weapons? Our Founders were just men, men of proportion. They drew their ideas for our constitution from the writer and philosopher John Locke. Locke puts forth that we own our own bodies, and thusly we have the right to own and control ourselves. THE RIGHT OF SELF DEFENSE If you have the right to own, then you also have the right to assert ownership -- otherwise known as "protect" -- that which is yours. The right of self-defense flows naturally from this right, and is enshrined by our Founders as the Bill of Rights, and even is quite prevalent in the Declaration of Independence. If you have the right to self-defense, then it naturally follows you have the right to effective tools to exercise that right. In simple terms, it makes no sense to say you have the right to drive on highways, but then ban automobiles. Again, the learned Mr. Jefferson agrees: "The right to use a thing comprehends a right to the means necessary to its use, and without which it would be useless." THE RIGHT TO BE UNMOLESTED
To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws. 4
Another right flows from John Lockes principles: You also have the right to be undisturbed. You have the right of 'quiet enjoyment' of your belongings, including your body, so long as you do not molest or act aggressively or violently to another. Nor, of course, do you have the right to disturb anothers quiet enjoyment of his or her belongings by molesting, acting aggressively, or acting violently to another person.
Take these two rights together: YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE (and effective tools to defend yourself), and YOU MAY NOT MOLEST OR ATTACK THOSE WHO ARE NOT ATTACKING YOU FIRST.
Therefore, it is clear that any tool of self defense you choose must be a tool you can direct to be capable of discriminating between an attacker and an innocent. Clearly, the following tools are capable, with a minimum of care, of being directed against an attacker without jeopardizing innocents:
The following tools are slightly more questionable, since they are somewhat less able to be directed with great accuracy, and thusly are less discriminating. They have a larger chance of violating an innocent persons 'quiet enjoyment' of his property during the suppression of a criminal attack:
The following tools are completely indiscriminate, and can harm innocent people decades after their use. These tools are completely inappropriate for your right of self defense, since they will certainly violate an innocent persons right of quiet enjoyment of their property.
Hopefully, this will lay to rest once and for all the straw man offered by so many antigunners. Nuclear weapons are not allowed to be used for self defense by private citizens because they are not sufficiently discriminating.
(Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just and His justice cannot sleep forever)
Great post!
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY THAT I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO BRING THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT: WHICH MY COVENANT THEY BRAKE, ALTHOUGH I WAS AN HUSBAND UNTO THEM, SAITH THE LORD: Jer 31:33 BUT THIS SHALL BE THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAITH THE LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; AND WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. JEREMIAH 31:34 AND THEY SHALL TEACH NO MORE EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOUR, AND EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER, SAYING, KNOW THE LORD; FOR THEY SHALL ALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM UNTO THE GREATEST OF THEM, SAITH THE LORD; FOR I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SIN NO MORE.
Jer 24:7 And I will give them an heart to know me, that I [am] the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/24/7.html
2Ch 6:38 If they return to thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their captivity, whither they have carried them captives, and pray toward their land, which thou gavest unto their fathers, and [toward] the city which thou hast chosen, and toward the house which I have built for thy name: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/6/38.html
2Ch 6:39 Then hear thou from the heavens, [even] from thy dwelling place, their prayer and their supplications, and maintain their cause, and forgive thy people which have sinned against thee. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/6/39.html
2Ch 6:40 Now, my God, let, I beseech thee, thine eyes be open, and [let] thine ears [be] attent unto the prayer [that is made] in this place.
2Ch 6:41 Now therefore arise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness.
2Ch 6:42 O LORD God, turn not away the face of thine anointed: remember the mercies of David thy servant. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/6/42.html
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/55/6.html
Hsa 14:1 O Israel, return unto the LORD thy God; for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Hsa/14/1.html
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Pe/1Pe002.html#9
Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/1.html
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying], http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/2.html
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/3.html
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/4.html
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/5.html
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/6.html
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/7.html
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/8.html
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/9.html
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/10.html
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/11.html
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/2/12.html
Jam 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members? 2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume [it] upon your lusts....... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jam/Jam004.htm
Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/21/44.html
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Dan/2/44.html
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/21/3.html
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
All right joint-heirs with Christ, again: Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
Oxymoronic. FR's "libertarians" capriciously reject their party's own "principles" whenever it serves their interest.
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This was posted in 1997? That was what, six years ago? For this article to need point by point refuting - the article itself must seem prescient. It must have outlined developments which should have taken place since its initial publication.
It has not. There are no goose-stepping hordes of Federal Polize knocking on doorways with truncheons. There is no law on the books making "certain" speech - outside of conspiracy- illegal. (and before you try to jump on that aside - conspiracy has ALWAYS been illegal in the US). There has not been anyone in America dragged off to concentration camps for saying rude things - or even the "wrong" things in social situations. In short - this article posits a police state. It claims that such a thing is imminent.
And it states such six years ago.
# 39 by Republicanus_Tyrannus
On October 26, 2001, President Bush signed the USA Patriot Act into law. On that date, we became a police state, 4 years after the Pon Paul article we're discussing on this thread.
We live in a police state today.
The Patriot Act allows :
1) physical searches without a warrant
2) wiretaps of telephones without a warrant
3) surveillance of internet activity without a warrant
4) Grand Jury information to be shared among government and foreign agencies
5) information on citizens to be shared among government and foreign agencies
6) DNA markers to be taken from anyone accused of committing or considering a violent act
7) full access to our financial and banking records.
8) full access to our educational records
"Violence" has been re-defined as any act that uses, attempts to use, threatens to use, or has the potential of becoming violent.
"Terrorism" has been re-defined to mean any act of violence, any intention to commit violence, any activity that would threaten or coerce others to change their activities, any intention to threaten or coerce others to change their activities, any crime committed with the use of a computer, any racketeering activity, and any act that interferes with interstate or international commerce.
Since local and state commerce are already known to be defined as "interstate" by the federal government because of the drug "war," any crime that effects commerce is terrorism.
Any crime, no matter how simple, can now be defined as terrorism, so the special laws enacted against terrorists apply to any crime. Thus, a man who defrauds his company is a terrorist.
A protester outside of an abortion clinic is a terrorist, guilty of the crime of intimidating, or trying to intimidate, people into changing their behavior. A pimp with his stable of women is a racketeer, involved in illegal business activities, and so too is classified as a terrorist.
A drug dealer is also involved in illegal business, as is his customer, who at the least is guilty of aiding terrorism through buying the illegal product of the drug dealer. The television commercials aren't just advertising. Drug buyers are now legally defined as terrorist supporters under the Patriot act.
Any terrorist, or supporter of terrorism, is subject to secret arrest, without a trial, without a lawyer, and without even notifying his family. Any person arrested under the terrorism statutes can be held indefinitely, without charges ever being filed.
In addition, the Patriot Act provides for sharing all law enforcement data among Federal, State, and Local police, and for co-ordination of response to any act of terrorism.
The Patriot Act creates to a Federal police force, with Local and State branches. It is a police force with the power to investigate crime both inside and outside the country, and unlimited access to all of our public and private information. It is a police force that doesn't have to explain it's actions.
Here's some quotes from the Patriot act :
"...Coordination of Federal, State, and local terrorism research, preparedness, and response programs must be improved..."
"...Private business, government, and the national security apparatus increasingly depend on an interdependent network of critical physical and information infrastructures, including telecommunications, energy, financial services, water, and transportation sectors..."
"...The support provided under paragraph (1) shall include the following :
"...(B) Acquisition from State and local governments and the private sector of data necessary to create and maintain models of such systems and of critical infrastructures generally..."
Physical searches without a warrant have been allowed for centuries.
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FR's "libertarians" capriciously reject their party's own "principles" whenever it serves their interest.
Freerepublic's libertarians don't usually like being told what our position is, no matter which political party is telling us what our position should be.
True libertarians think. That doesn't mean that we share the same opinions on every issue.
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