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Freeper Smokers: Please Help
me ^ | March 8, 2003 | me

Posted on 03/08/2003 10:36:34 AM PST by Im4Starr

I'm putting together anything and everything I can get my hands on to stop the smoking nazi's from continuing to vilify smokers. I'm looking for articles, images, documentation, etc.

A futile effort, perhaps, but I don't want to be silent on this issue.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: New York; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: smoking
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Some talking points already being bandied about:
Freedom
Taxation without representation
No unity in this community
Hitler & the Weimar Republic's smoking bans
Hitler, Franco & Mussolini were non-smokers
Roosevelt, Stalin & Churchill were smokers
George Burns: born in 1896 died in 1996. While in his 80's or 90's, was asked what his doctor thought about George Burns smoking. His response: "I don't know, he's dead."
What about tolerance and acceptance of people's differences? And the people's right to choose?

As always, any help is greatly appreciated.

1 posted on 03/08/2003 10:36:35 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: Im4Starr
Almost forgot: the bans usually read like this:
"Smoking is not permitted in bars, restaurants, etc."

If the word 'smoking' was substituted with other words like: African Americans, Jews, gays, or any other group, it would immediately be discrimination...ie: "Jews are not permitted in restaurants, bars, etc.".

2 posted on 03/08/2003 10:39:44 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: Im4Starr
Read this thread and click on Shelion's profile, she has some great links from her Freeper homepage. Max McGarrity and Just another Joe do also.
3 posted on 03/08/2003 10:42:32 AM PST by Hell to pay
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To: Im4Starr
I am a smoker and I am afraid its too late. They got us and we didnt fight back.

I also believe the anti smoking campaign was a successful attempt and practice for the anti gun movement!

4 posted on 03/08/2003 10:42:41 AM PST by alisasny
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To: Im4Starr
Here's a good link!


http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv21n4/lies.pdf
5 posted on 03/08/2003 10:45:34 AM PST by buffer
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To: Im4Starr
WARNING: If you fear 2nd-hand smoke please hold your breath 'cause I'm puffin' away as I type this. :-)

You could check out the threads on the puff_list. (The puff_list is for articles that discuss smoking issues as well as the smokers lounge.)

6 posted on 03/08/2003 10:46:08 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: All
Wow...these resources are fantastic. Thank you all for your help!
7 posted on 03/08/2003 11:03:51 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: Im4Starr
While I understand what you are saying, your smoke interferes with other people. I don't like the government banning smoking in all restaurants, however, I can't say that I'm going to miss the smoke in my face as I try to eat a good meal.
8 posted on 03/08/2003 11:06:38 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I don't like it when people wear too much cologne or too much perfume, so I know for me, I try to avoid places where an people are prone to that sort of thing. I don't expect people to accommodate me just because I don't like it. But that's just me.:)

It's the same idea with a vegetarian going to a steakhouse and expecting everyone else in the place not to order a nice rare porterhouse because the vegetarian finds it offensive.

9 posted on 03/08/2003 11:13:01 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: Im4Starr
Try this:

http://www.smokersclub.com/newsltr.htm

10 posted on 03/08/2003 11:16:43 AM PST by McGruff (The liberals seem more interested in over-throwing Pres. Bush than Saddam Hussein.)
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To: Im4Starr
Well, I don't think you get it. Smoke permeates the air much more than cologne or perfume, but more importantly, cigarette smoke contains known carcinogens. Why not just quite smoking. Life is short enough as it is.
11 posted on 03/08/2003 11:19:03 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
You know, I didn't start this thread to get into a smoking debate. However, I'd be happy to debate this issue with you in a separate thread, which you are free to start.
12 posted on 03/08/2003 11:26:19 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Or, perhaps, you may find alternate points of view in the sources cited by other freepers in this thread.
13 posted on 03/08/2003 11:29:09 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Well, I don't think you get it.

Correction: it is you who doesn't get it. Just avoid smokey areas and your problem is solved.

This issue is not about smoking: it's about what level of control we wish to grant others.
14 posted on 03/08/2003 11:30:41 AM PST by Stevieboy
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To: Im4Starr
Go here and scroll down to the Links to Smokers' Rights Sites section.
15 posted on 03/08/2003 11:31:50 AM PST by McGruff (The liberals seem more interested in over-throwing Pres. Bush than Saddam Hussein.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
No, I think it is you who is not getting it. I'm not supporting smoking but I DO support the right of a person to smoke if they so desire. It is unconscionable to think we, as a society, are now telling business establishments what to do in this area. No person who believes in freedom could actually support such an idea.

I suggest smokers start endorsing the altering other behavior as well, as long as this continues. For example, people should not be allowed to water or snow ski. After all, skiing results in injuries that we all have to pay for so it should be banned. Rock climbing and bicycle riding as well. There is no reason everyone in society should be forced to pay for medical costs resulting from these dangerous, and avoidable, activities. Certainly, perfume, cologne and after shave lotions should all be banned as well because there are people allergic to them. Peanuts are no longer served on airlines because a few people cannot tolerate being around them. I see no reason to not ban peanut butter all together as well. Nobody should be subjected to foul smelling peanut butter. Popcorn! Some idiot in an office makes a bag and one can smell that stuff throughout the office. That popcorn smell is virtually everywhere. Ban it.
16 posted on 03/08/2003 11:33:34 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Morgan in Denver
Amen! Well said.
17 posted on 03/08/2003 11:35:22 AM PST by Stevieboy
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To: Im4Starr
Welcome to the battle to preserve private property rights, individual liberties and anti-nannyism. We fight because our only other alternative is to bow to the tyrants. That's just unacceptable. Check out FORCES for links to a vast amount of information.
18 posted on 03/08/2003 11:35:34 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Im4Starr
I'm not sure saying Stalin was a smoker is a plus. Otherwise a good list.
19 posted on 03/08/2003 11:35:51 AM PST by xp38
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
While I understand what you are saying, your smoke interferes with other people. I don't like the government banning smoking in all restaurants, however, I can't say that I'm going to miss the smoke in my face as I try to eat a good meal.

Peace, we understand what you're saying as well. There's no reason you should EVER be exposed to tobacco smoke against your will. There should be plenty of restaurants/bars, etc. that cater to the smokefree and a representative number that cater to smokers. That way, ALL citizens are accommodated and no one's rights are trampled.

Let the free market work--that's the American Way.

20 posted on 03/08/2003 11:38:58 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Stevieboy
This issue is not about smoking: it's about what level of control we wish to grant others.

Exactly.

21 posted on 03/08/2003 11:40:43 AM PST by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: Im4Starr
I don't think anybody really wants to vilifies smokers.
It has just gotten to the point where populations are very tight and indoors you can't get away from all the smoke.

It started here in CA I think and to be honest, it seems to have been mostly a good result.

There are areas of bunk I don't like around the current law where this could be done better. As an example, a trucker in their own vehicle is in the "work-place" and thereby subject to a multi-hundred dollar fine for smoking in the work-place. That is outrageous and is extreme.
The spirit if the law was that if there are groups of people together indoors in public or work, there is to be no smoking there. They must either go outdoors or the parking garage and such.
California is strapped for cash and they are going after truckers that don't make big bucks. It is an excuse for Gray Davis to blackmail some truckers. I don't like that, they went too far.
22 posted on 03/08/2003 11:44:00 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Max McGarrity
I agree 100%. If I owned a restaurant/bar, I'd have two entirely separate areas for smokers and non smokers. The smoking side would have a world class ventalation system. Of course, that isn't allowed here in FL anymore since smoking is banned.
23 posted on 03/08/2003 11:44:00 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Max McGarrity
no one's rights are trampled.

I don't mind if people want to smoke. I just don't want to pay for the consequences. My insurance premiums are already sky high.

24 posted on 03/08/2003 11:48:03 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Morgan in Denver
You can do anything you want in your own house. However, when your cigarette smoke begins to interfere with the health and enjoyment of others, it should be stopped.
25 posted on 03/08/2003 11:49:10 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Stevieboy
Just stop smoking and your problem is solved. (or do you not have the will and self-discipline to stop)
26 posted on 03/08/2003 11:50:22 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Please read some of the documents referenced above by other freepers in this thread for information on the health aspects of smoking.
27 posted on 03/08/2003 11:51:43 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: Max McGarrity
No that is totally wrong Max, I live in CA and the "whole issue" was the "smoke" and not the smokers.

It used to smell like a chimney everywhere. It's not been bad for us and smokers just smoke outside.
28 posted on 03/08/2003 11:51:46 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Max McGarrity
smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were
29 posted on 03/08/2003 11:52:24 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Try minding your own business! I don't smoke and never have, but unlike you I believe in freedom to do as I please with my own body.
30 posted on 03/08/2003 11:52:34 AM PST by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Why not just quite smoking. Life is short enough as it is.

Why don't you mind your own business! My grandmother never smoked and died full of cancer at age 42.

Can you say "Cigarettes are a legal commodity?"

31 posted on 03/08/2003 11:53:09 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Patriotic Bostonian
I am minding my own business. Having carcinogens spewed into the air 10ft in front of me is everyones business. As far as the suggestion to quite smoking, it was between me and the person I replied to; try minding your own business.
32 posted on 03/08/2003 11:54:01 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I can't say that I'm going to miss the smoke in my face as I try to eat a good meal.

How about sitting in the non smoking section! How about going to better equipped restaurants with HUGE SMOKER EATERS? How about it? Quite bitching about Americans who choose to smoke a LEGAL commodity.

33 posted on 03/08/2003 11:54:29 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Patriotic Bostonian
Get anything by Jacob Sullum, a columnist for Reason Magazine, who has written a book on this subject.
34 posted on 03/08/2003 11:54:53 AM PST by MoralSense
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace; CounterCounterCulture; A CA Guy; All
Please start another thread on the "smoking debate" and know that it wasn't my intention to have that happen here. I'm really just looking for information (she says selfishly). ;)
35 posted on 03/08/2003 11:55:55 AM PST by Im4Starr
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
You can do anything you want in your own house. However, when your cigarette smoke begins to interfere with the health and enjoyment of others, it should be stopped.


36 posted on 03/08/2003 11:57:38 AM PST by SheLion
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
You are full of S**t. Smokers are down to 25% of the population! "Again, mind your own business!
37 posted on 03/08/2003 11:59:30 AM PST by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
The EPA has retracted the claim that second hand smoke is a carcinogin.

Why don't you read up like suggested earlier? Ignorance is no excuse.

38 posted on 03/08/2003 12:03:36 PM PST by Hell to pay
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Ok, I took the liberty (yes, liberty) to start another thread on the smoking debate. Enjoy.
40 posted on 03/08/2003 12:12:01 PM PST by Im4Starr
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To: Im4Starr

WWW.SMOKETHIS.COM

41 posted on 03/08/2003 12:18:26 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
You say: "You can do anything you want in your own house. However, when your cigarette smoke begins to interfere with the health and enjoyment of others, it should be stopped."

By your warped logic, I continue to insist you do not use any perfume, cologne or aftershave. It does interfere with my health and enjoyment. I'm also not too fond of people protesting the war, which certainly interferes with my enjoyment of others. So, if you are doing any of those things, I can only presume you will stop it forthwith.

Any business or restaurant you may wish to visit is under no obligation to cater to your wishes. You have no right to force that business to adhere to your whims for health and enjoyment. You don't own the business and you are not responsible for it. If you don't like it, simple. Don't go there. But you have no right to demand others follow your lead.

There are plenty of restaurants I do not visit because they do not allow smoking. Do I have a right to insist they start allowing people to smoke? By your logic, I guess so. However, I respect their right to run their business as they see fit and my alternative is to not patronize that business.

I wish you and others would allow such choices and stop telling me what to do. Cannot you not understand that "you" are not God and "you" are not running the world. Deal with it.
42 posted on 03/08/2003 12:18:54 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: Morgan in Denver
Any business or restaurant you may wish to visit is under no obligation to cater to your wishes. You have no right to force that business to adhere to your whims for health and enjoyment.

So I guess you would have also fought the introduction of health inspectors into restaurants. What about all of the food preparation guidelines that must be followed. I suppose that is merely the nanny state imposing its will on the free market?

43 posted on 03/08/2003 12:28:48 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Hell to pay
I will read it later. Though I must say that your propaganda is no more trustworthy than the other propaganda. Smoking is bad for people. Smoking kills people. People inhale cigarette smoke. This includes innocent bystanders who want no part of your habbit.
44 posted on 03/08/2003 12:30:47 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: Patriotic Bostonian
1 out of 4 people are smokers...so what. First of all, that's a lot of people. More importantly, I don't care if only two people smoke, I still don't need them sitting ten ft away from me blowing smoke in my face. It is my business. Why don't you mind your own business, you classless fool.
45 posted on 03/08/2003 12:32:48 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: SheLion
I guess you'd like it if I lived next door to you and had parties until 4 am every night. I'd throw beer cans in my front yard, play loud music and fight. After you complained, I'd take that stupid little sign you posted and I'd plaster them all over my house for you to see.
46 posted on 03/08/2003 12:34:43 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: SheLion
I don't remember bitching about people smoking. I could give a damn if someone wants to smoke. I do give a damn when they want to spew their filthy smoke in my direction in a restaurant. Music and beer are legal too. That doesn't mean you'd want people playing loud music and getting drunk next door to you every night, does it? Grow up. As far as going to other restaurants, I said that I don't like the government making a ban on all smoking.
47 posted on 03/08/2003 12:37:28 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: SheLion
Cigarettes are a legal commodity. So?
48 posted on 03/08/2003 12:38:10 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
So I guess you would have also fought the introduction of health inspectors into restaurants. What about all of the food preparation guidelines that must be followed. I suppose that is merely the nanny state imposing its will on the free market?

Silly examples don't work. Food preparation for an unsuspecting public versus the legal right of a business to run their operation as they see fit by allowing a legal activity on the premises. Until you make smoking illegal, you have no right to insist on enforcing the nanny-state on a business.

Regardless, if there were no health inspectors restaurants would be open to law suits if they prepare anything that hurt unsuspecting patrons. As corrupt as many so-called inspectors are you may have a good point.

Smoking is hardly an unknown activity when you walk through the door. One wonders why in the world you would even want to go inside a business that has smoking? Why not just not go there? Is that so hard for you to understand? Are you incapable of making such a decision, meaning which places to patronize and which not?

49 posted on 03/08/2003 12:43:11 PM PST by Morgan in Denver
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
I'm blowing smoke at your screen name as I type. I hope it gives your internet persona an online asthma attack.
50 posted on 03/08/2003 12:46:40 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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