ANDREW SULLIVAN: Clinton talked a good war — Bush has to fight it

The Sunday Times ^ | March 9, 2003 | Andrew Sullivan

[OldFriend]

The grifter was eyeing up one of the Bush twins during the inauguration.

[vbmoneyspender]

Ivan's comments are in blue and Ivan should be left alone to do exactly as he does which is post some of the most informative articles that show up on a regular basis on FR.

[vbmoneyspender]

I had one person thank me for doing so. If you can get sufficient people to vote in favour of your proposal, fine.

Don't you dare change anything with regard to your posts.

[Jabba the Nutt]

Ivan, did you see the Oxford Union Debate on whether the US was the biggest barrier to world Peace? C-SPAN showed it here. Very interesting. Why did the 'speaker of the union' where a kilt? Just curious.

[Republic]

on clinton: "He meant very few things he said but he said them very well. "

What a shmuck. Everything is pretense with liberals.

[MadIvan]

Ivan, did you see the Oxford Union Debate on whether the US was the biggest barrier to world Peace? C-SPAN showed it here. Very interesting. Why did the 'speaker of the union' where a kilt? Just curious.

I don't watch much television anymore - I get my news from the internet and listen to Classic FM on the radio. So the debate passed me by - I can only guess the fellow who wore a kilt was Scottish.

Regards, Ivan

[uncbob]

Bush is going to spend years cleaning up the mess Clinton left.

Too bad the GOP spokesman aren't proclaiming this everytime they can

[ez]

I enjoy your red highlights. The make my e-mail look good when I send these British articles to my friends who don't hear all the news on US televiosion.

Carry on.

[Optimist]

I do not believe Blair is Bush's "opposite", however - both are deeply religious men, and they communicate on that level.

So, what was Blair's connection to Slick Willy? His "bonding" with "the Bent One" certainly didn't generate any respect in my eyes. Does he respect the office or the man? Or has he had a metamorphosis?

[MadIvan]

I think their connection was less deep than most realised. Blair felt he "owed" Clinton, as Clinton showed the way for how left wing politicians could win office. BUT: the "friendship" did not survive Clinton's jealousy of Blair - during Kosovo, Blair seemed much more purposeful and got better press than Clinton did. Also, Blair was contemptuous of Clinton in private - the running joke among Blair's aides was "Bill gives great blow", meaning he talks a good game but does nothing.

So it was less rosy than first suggested. And it probably still is. Bush simply has none of Clinton's malice or ego - Blair is absolutely delighted and relieved, apparently, to be dealing with a President who means what he says.

Regards, Ivan

[cubreporter]

I LOVE this photo!!!!!

[e_engineer]

I also enjoy your highlighting the important bits.

[Optimist]

Did Clinton "solving" the Ireland problem endear him or isolate him? I would think that one-upping Great Britain (and claiming credit for the resulting "peace") would NOT be good politics (but great legacy). And since BJ was all about me-me-me, since his presidency would eventualy be over, friends were not as important.

[SAMWolf]

You got that right, if Clinton can bash and bad mouth the current administration they should just point out the facts about Clinton's failures every chance they get.

[hellinahandcart]

Bush is going to spend years cleaning up the mess Clinton left.

Bush only has six years.

We will all be dealing with Clinton fallout until the day I die, and we live a *long* time in my family, and I'm only 45.

But, in the "Silver Lining" department, I'll definitely get to watch Bubba's funeral on TV one day.

[redbaiter]

bump

[SAMWolf]

But, in the "Silver Lining" department, I'll definitely get to watch Bubba's funeral on TV one day

Boy, there's a day I'm looking forward to.

[jackbill]

I had one person thank me for doing so.

Count me as the second, or whatever.

If you can get sufficient people to vote in favour of your proposal, fine.

Ivan, you might want to check where your critic is coming from, if you get my drift.

[logan five]

a short metaphor seems to work for me....regarding bc's legacy....

grand dad had a car.

he cared for it and washed it every day after driving it about.

grand dad passed on... and the car went to dad....

and the dad drove the piss out of it.....

and then dad passed... and the car passed... to son...

and the son started the car and it collapsed in to pieces....and so the son began restoring it..

everyone looked at the son with scorn and said "why look, you've ruined and broken the family car that has been around for 2 generations!"

such is that fellow's legacy, if the historians are truthful...

l5

[Happygal]

Clinton was a master of the European dialogue. He meant very few things he said but he said them very well.

In the same way as Clinton heralds he brought peace to Northern Ireland. Funny how Tony Blair, in the middle of an Iraqi war situation, spent time last week in NI trying to diplomatically soothe the waters once again in my disgruntled nation.

Clinton WAS, and remains a schmoozer.