Skip to comments.Former City Worker Sues City of Tampa for Firing Him Over Confederate License Plate
Posted on 03/12/2003 9:32:49 AM PST by Phlap
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - A former city worker who was fired for refusing to remove a Confederate flag license plate from his truck is suing the city of Tampa.
In a federal lawsuit filed Tuesday, Larry A. Carpenter, 47, said his First Amendment right to free speech was violated when he was fired over the dispute.
Carpenter was ordered in January 2002 to remove the license plate or park his truck off city property. He refused to do either, was cited for insubordination and was fired from his job as a traffic maintenance specialist in the Public Works Department.
Carpenter's attorney, J. Benton Stewart II, said his client, a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, is proud of his heritage and merely wants the city to develop a written policy that is uniformly applied.
Stewart said other city workers who drive vehicles with bumper stickers bearing political slogans and offensive statements are allowed to park on city property.
Messages left with City Attorney Jim Palermo were not immediately returned. Carpenter declined to comment on the lawsuit Wednesday.
And Skinheads in Germany say the same thing about the Nazi Flag.
Memo to Godebert: The South Lost the War!
"Fess up; you're just here to stir up trouble, right?
That depends on whether I agree that the symbol has the meaning that the person that claims to be insulted attributes to it.
Some people claim that the Star of David is a symbol of "racist Zionism" and that it is justified to equate the Star of David with the Nazi swastika. I don't accept that.
Some people claim that "the American flag is a symbol of oppression and hatred, not patriotism and freedom". I don't accept that.
Some people, you being one of them, claim that the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is a "symbol of slavery and racism". I don't accept that either.
So....you're calling me a Nazi? I'd bet a hundred bucks you wouldn't have the guts to say that to my face. Where do you live? Maybe we're in driving distance and could meet face to face? You up for it? Or are you just a gutless liberal panty-waist punk with a big mouth?
What did he do with the rest of them, take them with him?
Well no, but if you can only threaten to resort to violence to defend yourself you are probably not up to the intellectual level of my Southern Ancestors. My Southern Ancestors understood that they lost the war and understood the repercussions of losing the war. Most people in Germany and Japan understood the repercussions of losing WWII and I hope that the people and Iraq have the intellectual capacity to understand that they lost the war with the US and do not continue to honor Saddam.
You're not fooling anyone. At least not fooling any Southerners. There is no way you could even remotely be considered a Southerner. No Southerner would willingly call his Confederate ancestors "Nazis". And any true Southerner would kick your pansy ass for saying such a thing.
And you can be damn sure that any true Southerner reading your bullcr#p knows you are not only a liar......but a COWARD.
At least I am not sitting here in Texas longing for the "Good 'Ole Days" and whining about a war my grand pappy lost 138 years ago. Instead, I see the vision of a new south that is an important and vital part of the United States of the 21st century. The south is a fertile ground not just for cotton but for industry, education and economic vitality while much of the nation rusts.
The old south is dead as are the defeated political philosophies of the defeated Axis Powers of WWII and the defeated communists of Eastern Europe. The rest of the world moves on after being destroyed in a War but you hang on to system that was put to rest two centuries ago.
Not really. The situation would be comparable if the county owned his truck, but it does not. As a general rule (barring the inane and often unconstitutional local ordinances etc. that some places have), political is protected on public property so long as that piece of public property is not being turned into the item of speech itself.
For example, I could carry a protest sign while standing on a public sidewalk. But if I tried to paint my sign's message on that public sidewalk, or if I hammered a hole through it and put up a billboard holding my sign's message, free speech would not protect me nor should it.
It would seem that the first situation would apply for a privately owned car that simply makes use of a public parking lot at a public building, thus his free speech appears to be protected.
His employer is not a private company though. Rather it is a government entity whose lands are public property. Political speech is afforded further protection on public property than in a privately owned business.
A regimental battle flag is not "system". I still say you're a liar and a coward. You don't have any Confederate ancestors. And just having a Texas zip code doesn't necessarily make you a Southerner.
So I take it you will support ancestors or Iraqs Republican Guard when they are toting around their daddy's battle flag long after Gulf War II has ended.
Not really. If any citizen needed to use the county courthouse or whatever the building is, he would be afforded the same rights with bumper stickers etc. on his car upon entering the parking lot and parking there.
It's a case where the perception is the problem, which brings me back to my original point.
To many educated Palestinians and many educated whites, the Star of David is "a symbol of racist Zionism" and it is offensive to them.
To many educated blacks and whites, the American flag is "a symbol of oppression, racism and imperialism" and it is offensive to them.
Some educated blacks, declare that "George Washington has about as much meaning as David Duke" to black students today and ask, "Would a Jew let his child go to a school named after Adolf Hitler?". George Washington is offensive to them.
Which brings me back to my original point.
Are you willing to declare the military history of an entire region of the country Politically Incorrect because some "educated" people decide that they are "offended" by a Battle Flag that had no political symbolism in the War of (the Great Rebellion) (Northern Aggression).
If so, be prepared to have the "Buffalo Soldiers" declared "symbols of the genocide of the Native Americans" by "offended" educated Native Americans.
I would wager that the many "educated blacks and whites" that are "offended" by the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia would not be able to give an impromtu 15 second explanation of Malvern Hill or Chancellorsville if their life depended on it.
Let's just take a look see at what your friend, JebBush2008, did say then. Here are just a fewe of his musings from this thread:
"Most people in Germany and Japan understood the repercussions of losing WWII and I hope that the people and Iraq have the intellectual capacity to understand that they lost the war with the US and do not continue to honor Saddam."
"And Skinheads in Germany say the same thing about the Nazi Flag."
"I grew up in the South and am proud of my Southern Heritage. However, I also realize that the South lost the War and with that loss came monumental change for the South. The same thing will happen to Iraq when they lose the War against the U.S. Monumental change will take place in Iraq but I will not feel comfortable with people in Iraq longing for their Heritage of Life with Saddam."
"Have you ever wondered why the Confederates are the only people who lost a war and still honor the symbols of their defeated past?
"I don't see too many Germans waving the Nazi Flag or too many Japanese that still believe in the Emperors infallibility or too many Royalist New Englanders waiving the Union Jack. Hopefully, next year or 10 years from now we will no longer see people in Iraq honoring Saddam."
Ya.....this guy JebBush2008 must be the head of his local SCV chapter, right?
" So I take it you will support ancestors or Iraqs Republican Guard when they are toting around their daddy's battle flag long after Gulf War II has ended."
It is a totally modern deconstruction technique that unfortunately gains sympathizers. All some ONE has to do is complain about feeling threatened, the entire rest of the population must stop in concerned horror. Lets get real.
As long as "they" want to make it an issue, it will be a symbol, not of slavery and "hatred"[which says more about the user of that term than the subject of that term] but of free expression and individuality.
So....your dad was a war hero, eh? Just like you have Confederate ancestors.......right? You're so full of crap it's coming out your ears. If you want to see what my father did during the war you can check my homepage. BTW....what unit did YOU serve with? .....or were you too busy marching with MLK to bother with the military?
I still say you're a liar and a Coward.
Are you supportive of cultural relativism? Just curious.
I agree wholeheartedly.
That is why I believe that military symbols such as the Confederate Battle Flag should be vigorously defended against any political misuse by race baiters and hate mongers of either color.
A loathsome misuse of the Confederate Battle Flag can be found here: Ku Klux Klan...The flag of the South is now the flag of World Wide White unity!
The use of the Confederate Battle Flag by hate groups and racist politicians, be they white or black, is a slap in the face to the valient men who died under that banner and should be condemned as strenuously as the misuse of Old Glory by those same hate groups.
Once we allow the hate mongers to define the symbolism of our History, they win.
I guess that answers my question. Pathetic.
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