Tommy Chong (Of Cheech and Chong) pipes up after DEA raid (pot pipes pilfered)

Sacramento Bee ^ | 3/14/03 | Eric Gonzalez

[cajun-jack]

I am a truck driver and drive from west monroe, La to Livingston, Ala and back 5 days a week via I-20. I have to go thru a weigh station just prior to going over the mississippi river (east bound side temporarily closed for renovation) and thru another weigh station just east of Vicksburg. Never, and i mean NEVER since 9/11 have I witnessed any trucks being pulled in to check paperwork other than driver i.d. and proof of insurance and the IFTA fuel tax stamp. Even tankers and trucks clearly placarded as "haxmat" loads are treated no differently. Most of the time the scales are either closed or you get the by-pass light. But a short distance up the road, you will probably see from 2 to 4 police (state, co, city) with a family with small children standing on the side of the road while a "herd" of guys with the funny looking haircut they all wear nowadays, putting all their belongings on the ground to see if they might have "illegal substances" in their luggage.

you can buzz right by them with 10,000 gals of hi octance gasoline and they won't raise and eyebrow. But if you have a "roach" in your ashtray, you are going to jail and they are going to take your car, any cash you might have on you even if it is only 10 bucks.

Then the guys with the funny haircuts will go home and brag to their wife just what a "billy badass" he was that day.

[tacticalogic]

He's as real as the chance for election of an LP candidate for president.

Apparently, he's real enough for you to want to talk about something else, now.

[Roscoe]

Let's discuss your link. (You should have read it.)

"Attempting to educate current drug users is a waste of drug education resources. For drug users, drug education is up against the basic reward or survival mechanism of the brain. Reason and cognitive thought are simply no match for a chemically stimulated reward center of the brain."

[tacticalogic]

By their own figures, last year Missouri law enforcemtnt found and destroyed nearly 70 million pot plants. Of that total, less than 11 thousand were described as "cultivated marijuana". The rest was wild ditchweed hemp - about 69.9 million of them.

[tacticalogic]

I did read it. The author is advocating organizing a propaganda campaign for the express purpose of instilling fear in society at large, in order to facilitate compliance with a government policy.

[Roscoe]

"Reason and cognitive thought are simply no match for a chemically stimulated reward center of the brain."

He hit the nail on the head!

[tacticalogic]

He hit the nail on the head!

A properly formutlated half-truth, presented as an absolute will have that appearance, but will not survive being tested objectively.

[Roscoe]

Begging ain't testing.

[tacticalogic]

Begging ain't testing.

Playing the "begging game" isn't discussing the article.

[Roscoe]

Yep.

[Gianni]

Attempting to educate drug warriors is a waste of time. For drug warriors, the Constitution is up against the basic reward or political survival mechanism. Reason and cognitive thought are simply no match for a reward center of the brain stimulated by wielding power over others.

I love these mad-libs.

[Gianni]

A lot of the people that were teenagers in the 70's were stoners.

Yes, and think how much better off they'd be today if only they had spent ten years in prison for their "crime".

[FreedomPoster]

Nicely done.

[tacticalogic]

Yep.

Then don't say you want to discuss the article, when all you're really after is a flame war.

[tacticalogic]

Reason and cognitive thought are simply no match for a reward center of the brain stimulated by wielding power over others.

Reason and cognitive thought are not match for fear, either. If you read the linked article, you'll note that that is exactly how the author proposes to advance the drug war.

[A2J]

I did read it. The author is advocating organizing a propaganda campaign for the express purpose of instilling fear in society at large, in order to facilitate compliance with a government policy.

There's not a rolling paper's width of difference between what you claim the government is doing and the tactics that the potties are using in attempting to drum up sympathy by trotting out the "medicinal use" garbage.

Both sides are using the emotional avenue to get what they want. So, painting the government as the bad guys doesn't let your friends off the hook either.

[Roscoe]

Attempting to educate drug warriors is a waste of time.

This title may be cited as the 'Controlled Substances Act'.

§ 801. Congressional findings and declarations: controlled substances.

The Congress makes the following findings and declarations:

• (1) Many of the drugs included within this subchapter have a useful and legitimate medical purpose and are necessary to maintain the health and general welfare of the American people.
• (2) The illegal importation, manufacture, distribution, and possession and improper use of controlled substances have a substantial and detrimental effect on the health and general welfare of the American people.
• (3) A major portion of the traffic in controlled substances flows through interstate and foreign commerce. Incidents of the traffic which are not an integral part of the interstate or foreign flow, such as manufacture, local distribution, and possession, nonetheless have a substantial and direct effect upon interstate commerce because -
  • (A) after manufacture, many controlled substances are transported in interstate commerce,
  • (B) controlled substances distributed locally usually have been transported in interstate commerce immediately before their distribution, and
  • (C) controlled substances possessed commonly flow through interstate commerce immediately prior to such possession.
• (4) Local distribution and possession of controlled substances contribute to swelling the interstate traffic in such substances.
• (5) Controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate cannot be differentiated from controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate. Thus, it is not feasible to distinguish, in terms of controls, between controlled substances manufactured and distributed interstate and controlled substances manufactured and distributed intrastate.
• (6) Federal control of the intrastate incidents of the traffic in controlled substances is essential to the effective control of the interstate incidents of such traffic.
• (7) The United States is a party to the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961, and other international conventions designed to establish effective control over international and domestic traffic in controlled substances.

The ignorant can't teach.

[tacticalogic]

Both sides are using the emotional avenue to get what they want. So, painting the government as the bad guys doesn't let your friends off the hook either.

I take it you believe that our representatives and pulic servants should be held no more accountable to us for their actions than any other private citizen.

[Roscoe]

"All the defendants are alleged to have knowingly, intentionally and unlawfully sold the items for use with illegal narcotics. Many of the items were disguised as common objects such as highlighter markers and lipsticks to elude detection as drug paraphernalia and were marketed using code names and symbols."

http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/1598131

http://www.smokelab.com

http://www.aheadcase.com

http://www.pipesforyou.com

[robertpaulsen]

"We're way overdue such a Jeffersonian disciplining of the people's servant"

Because of drugs??? You can't even get a majority to vote for medical marijuana, but you expect them to take up arms against the government to legalize all drugs?

Go back to your bong.