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To: Movemout
"Whatever would you expect from a born and raised Italian? I am always captivated by Oriana's style of prose. Her ideas and notions catch you unawares and carom in another direction. She knows of that which she writes although she rambles and contradicts herself from time to time. But at the core, the essence of Oriana is her profound love of freedom. I do not care if she believes that the japanese or islam cannot appreciate it in the manner which she does. What matters is that someone as profound as her can deliver the message that freedom is dear and can be delivered to us all only at great sacrifice."

She may love freedom, but I think her love for it is based on all the wrong reasons and therefore I don't really trust her policy positions because her logical process is ultimately flawed.

Sure she loves freedom, but ultimately she only loves it as an extension of her self love. She loves to be free. That's the extent of her love of freedom. She doesn't see freedom as some ultimate good, it's just something she (and other europeans apparantly) happen to prefer, like classical music or greek tragedies. Those arabs, why they are too uncouth to ever understand something as refined a freedom, so just keep them where they are, and beat them down if they try to encroach on our territory.

It's the result of her atheist beliefs, there can be no self-evident truths or unalienable rights when there is no god to be ultimate standard of truth and morality.

I happen to agreed with President Bush, Liberty is God's gift to humanity, and that's why we are going to Iraq, and that's the reason we will succeed in liberating them.


76 posted on 03/16/2003 12:32:01 AM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher
I can see that you are fixed in your belief that Oriana is not worthy of respect for her style of expression of support for freedom. She does recognize this state of affairs as a clash between civilizations. I wonder if you have read her excellent piece written just after 9/11. She was in NYC during the event.

It doesn't matter. I have no quarrel with your point of view in the end.

77 posted on 03/16/2003 12:39:47 AM PST by Movemout
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To: Truthsearcher
Sure she loves freedom, but ultimately she only loves it as an extension of her self love.

As an atheist, I'm uncomfortable with your doubt in Oriana's sincere love of freedom. Maybe Oriana's inconsistent sometimes, but you could be suggesting that atheists can't love freedom for the right reasons. Maybe you might argue that here at home, atheists can't be true patriots, either? I would disagree -- requiring Christianity for sincere love of liberty and country would be unamerican. Besides, it's more important what people do than why they say what they say, isn't it?

Oriana sends everyone in the west a wakeup call, not just Christians. And given the pleas for appeasement coming from the pulpit over the last few weeks in the face of Bush's force-backed diplomacy, I think many Christians need a wakeup call as much as the secular humanists: a clash of civilizations is upon us, regardless of what we believe.

By the way, I too was quite moved by our president's statement that liberty was God's gift to every human being. I took it to mean that liberty is the essence of what it means to be human, that love for freedom is universal among all of us who retain our humanity. It was powerful, and in no way made me feel less American for not being religious. What a great president he's turning out to be!

Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. --President Bush, January 28, 2003

95 posted on 03/17/2003 12:54:20 AM PST by risk
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