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Anti-War Protests Have Big Price Tags
FOX News ^ | Tuesday, March 18, 2003 | Fox News, Dan Springer

Posted on 03/18/2003 4:18:49 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SEATTLE Large anti-war protests come with a hefty price tag.

Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers.


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KEYWORDS: antiwar; marxist; workersworldparty
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Not surprising...except, perhaps, to an anti-war protester.
1 posted on 03/18/2003 4:18:50 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Motherhood IS a career
anti-America fifth columnist would be more like it...
2 posted on 03/18/2003 4:25:47 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Motherhood IS a career
I have been posting the following links for about a month...hopefully, people will email the story you posted...along with these links to everyone they know. Get the truth behind these Anti-AmericanWar protest out there.

1) Socialist Party USA: http://sp-usa.org/
2) Communist Party USA: http://www.cpusa.org/
3) International Answer: http://www.internationalanswer.org/
4) Workers World: http://www.workers.org/
5) International Socialist Organizations: http://www.internationalsocialist.org/
6) Socialist Workers Online: http://socialistworker.org/
7) Socialist Party: http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/antiwar.htm
8) Communist Party of Canada: http://www.communist-party.ca/

I understand why the socialist would want to defend Saddam and want to protest a regime change in Iraq because Saddam is a fellow Socialist.

But I cannot understand why pacifists would want to join with the Communist and Socialist, after all Socialist have lead some of the bloodiest revolutions in history - only to install vile dictators who have pillaged the land and made slaves of the people.

3 posted on 03/18/2003 4:26:02 AM PST by ResistorSister (God Bless America and our troops)
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To: ResistorSister
>>But I cannot understand why pacifists would want to join with the Communist and Socialist, after all Socialist have lead some of the bloodiest revolutions in history - only to install vile dictators who have pillaged the land and made slaves of the people.

Two words: Useful idiots.
4 posted on 03/18/2003 4:28:52 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: ResistorSister
But I cannot understand why pacifists would want to join with the Communist and Socialist, after all Socialist have lead some of the bloodiest revolutions in history - only to install vile dictators who have pillaged the land and made slaves of the people.

First, it's because they don't actually THINK about anything. And if they do analyze it, I'm sure they believe that the only reason that socialist/communist regimes became violent was because the people in charge were bad guys. "They" would do it "right".

5 posted on 03/18/2003 4:31:35 AM PST by Dianna
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To: FreedomPoster
Two words: Useful idiots.

You win the prize!

6 posted on 03/18/2003 4:32:48 AM PST by ResistorSister (God Bless America and our troops)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Good post....more should read it.
7 posted on 03/18/2003 4:33:07 AM PST by rmvh
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To: ResistorSister
But I cannot understand why pacifists would want to join with the Communist and Socialist.

Because these so-called "pacifists" are nothing more than democrat/liberals, most of whom bitterly resent the fact that Bush won the White House. And we already know that liberal is just another word for communist/socialist.

8 posted on 03/18/2003 4:33:17 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: ResistorSister
Becuase they are lying to you.

It's not about peace. It never has been. Former KGB and GRU officers now admit that the USSR financed about 95% of the anti-vietnam "protests."

It is simply a way for foreign countries, North Korea for example to wage war against us. Or even better for them, have us wage war on ourselves.
9 posted on 03/18/2003 4:34:39 AM PST by MindBender26 (.....and for more news as it happens...stay tuned to your local FReeper station....)
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To: rmvh
Good post....more should read it.

Thanks. I hope more anti-war protesters read it. Do you suppose it will make them think twice? (Probably not, since most of them probably didn't think once.)

10 posted on 03/18/2003 4:35:37 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Motherhood IS a career
SO who funds ANSWER and the Workers World Party? George SOros? Ted Kennedy? The DNC? Cherchez le buque.
11 posted on 03/18/2003 4:42:59 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Exactly..... if billblythe were still in office, these hollywood idiots would be screaming about the evil dictator torturing children and raping little girls in Iraq....and how the wealthy no-good Republicans wouldn't do anything about him............

This has nothing to do with right or wrong.....it has EVERYTHING to do with liberal democrats vs. a Republican President

12 posted on 03/18/2003 4:43:54 AM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Motherhood IS a career
They say they will shut down 70 targets in San Francisco alone, including power plants, water systems, the Federal Reserve, oil companies, the Pacific Exchange and the Transamerica Building.

And their hit list goes beyond economic targets.

Some protesters are promising to chain themselves to fences at schools and day care centers so working parents will have to stay home from their jobs. Organizers say this will give others a chance to contemplate how war affects the children of Iraq.

These people should be thrown in jail for a good long time. It's one thing to publicly declare your anti-war opinions. Take out a full page ad in the NY Times, for all I care. But it's another thing to disrupt the peace --speaking of "peace" -- and to cause harm or potential harm to property or people.

13 posted on 03/18/2003 4:46:31 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Motherhood IS a career
The Workers World Party believes that money should be invested in the future. By careful use of their capital, they hope to reap future returns that will validate their investment strategy. In the Marketplace of Ideas, they feel that judicial advertisement of their wares, good PR and aggressive marketing will help them beat the competition.

Hey, that's what Marxism is all about, right?

14 posted on 03/18/2003 4:48:54 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Motherhood IS a career
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Ask Dr. Ridgley: What's the Post-War Left to Do?
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15 posted on 03/18/2003 4:51:07 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Motherhood IS a career
But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts or make enemies of people losing patience with their tactics.

They "wonder"?!?! Btw, good screen name.

16 posted on 03/18/2003 4:53:30 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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To: ResistorSister
Add this one to the list.

Check out whose sponsoring these rallies at our schools Steve Gill dug this one up. Commies, Marxist, Socialist, Enviro-whackos

NYSPC

17 posted on 03/18/2003 4:54:04 AM PST by GailA (THROW AWAY THE KEYS http://keasl5227.tripod.com/)
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To: Dianna
Yep, and the "useful fools" are the first to be eliminated. Ironic.
18 posted on 03/18/2003 4:55:25 AM PST by banjo joe
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Money is needed to rent or buy stages, sound systems, permits and portable toilets, and tabs often run as high as $200,000 per demonstration — much more than the average grassroots peace group will ever have in its coffers.

Demonstrations never fed a starving child, or provided a job to a poor single mother, or bought medicine for an elderly person.

19 posted on 03/18/2003 5:09:55 AM PST by randita
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Congressional Record - 'Those were the days'...(before commie/Demonrat infiltration)...

www.FreeRepublic.comm/focus/news/855231/posts

'Communist Goals - 1963...& Media Bias'

20 posted on 03/18/2003 5:12:18 AM PST by harbingr
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To: ResistorSister
But I cannot understand why pacifists would want to join with the Communist and Socialist, after all Socialist have lead some of the bloodiest revolutions in history...

Can you say "dupes"?

21 posted on 03/18/2003 5:15:03 AM PST by cerberus
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To: Motherhood IS a career
They will shut down power plants and water systems when we go to war?

This sounds like the type of terrorist attack against America that should be dealt with by force. There is a difference between peaceful protest and acts of sabotage. Those who aren't shot on the spot should swing from a rope.

22 posted on 03/18/2003 5:19:07 AM PST by Jerry_M (I can only say that I am a poor sinner, trusting in Christ alone for salvation. -- Gen. Robt E. Lee)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Some protestors are vowing to bring traffic to a standstill, as they recently did on a Seattle bridge. But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts or make enemies of people losing patience with their tactics.

Don't worry there's nothing people love more than sitting in traffic. Just one thing, please (and I can't hit this hard enough) make sure they know who's doing this, think lots and loots of big signs with your address and phone number on it so people can express their gratitude to you.
23 posted on 03/18/2003 5:20:51 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
BUMP
24 posted on 03/18/2003 5:21:23 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: Valin
The vast majority of Americans want to be left alone. Those tactics will hurt them.
25 posted on 03/18/2003 5:23:13 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
This is one news item you'll never see as an expose on 20/20, Dateline, 60 Minutes OR most newspapers
26 posted on 03/18/2003 5:28:40 AM PST by apackof2 (SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL RALLY FOR AMERICA !!)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts or make enemies of people losing patience with their tactics.

My guess is people will lose patience with these idiot's tactics

27 posted on 03/18/2003 5:47:25 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Motherhood IS a career
A better question is who has to pay for all of the extra police overtime to keep an eye on the protester/looters.
28 posted on 03/18/2003 6:04:28 AM PST by finnman69 (!)
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To: Jerry_M
This sounds like the type of terrorist attack against America that should be dealt with by force. There is a difference between peaceful protest and acts of sabotage. Those who aren't shot on the spot should swing from a rope.

You may find this from KPIX interesting...

Vandenberg Air Force Base authorizes 'deadly force' against trespassing protesters

Saturday March 15, 2003

VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. (AP) Security forces at Vandenberg Air Force Base may use "deadly force" against protesters if they infiltrate the military complex if a war starts, officials said.

Some anti-war activists plan to trespass onto base grounds in hopes of disturbing Vandenberg's mission and to vandalize sensitive equipment they contend helps guide the war effort.

Vandenberg officials revealed Friday that military security police may shoot to kill, if necessary, to protect base residents and machinery.

The directive has always been in existence, but a base spokeswoman said it is more critical now that people understand its severity.

"This is not fun and games anymore," said Maj. Stacee Bako. "We're living in post 9/11. We don't know what's going to happen with the war effort in Iraq. These folks have got to realize their actions. ... They're illegal intruders."

Military police will use their "judgment, experience and training" to determine if lethal force is necessary, she said.

"Deadly force can be used when lesser means of force aren't feasible or have failed, and to protect (Department of Defense) assets designated as vital to the national security," she explained.

The deadly force policy will not deter protesters, said Peter Lumsdaine of the Vandenberg Action Coalition, one of the organizers of the planned trespassing.

"I think it does underline that people in the nonviolent resistance movement are willing to take some risks," Lumsdaine said.

A Guadalupe man jumped onto the base's entrance sign Friday and sprayed it with 4 ounces of his own blood in a symbolic gesture of his anti-war stance. Dennis Apel, 52, later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor counts of trespassing and vandalism. He will be sentenced next month in a Santa Barbara federal court and faces a possible jail sentence or fine.

"We wanted them to see some blood," said Apel, a member of Guadalupe Catholic Worker, a social reform movement. "We wanted them to in some way visually experience the consequences of what they're doing."

Vandenberg has been on heightened alert since the 2001 terrorist attacks, with barricades near sensitive equipment and tighter access to the classified installation.

Bako said the security measures, including the deadly force decree, are necessary because of the threat of biological weapons.

"It's impossible for us to determine what their intent is," she said. "Are they protesters? Are there terrorists in that group and (do) they plan on killing everyone on base? They all have to be dealt with as very specific threats, whether they're vandalizing a sign, crossing the green (no trespassing) line or infiltrating the backcountry."


29 posted on 03/18/2003 6:11:07 AM PST by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: ResistorSister; GailA
How could our "fellow travellers" in Congress not make the cut?

Democratic Socialists of the USA

HF

30 posted on 03/18/2003 6:24:55 AM PST by holden
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To: shhrubbery!
But many wonder if paralyzing the morning commute and engaging in similar disruptions will win converts

Sure. For the Republican party.

31 posted on 03/18/2003 6:27:54 AM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: ResistorSister
I cannot understand why pacifists would want to join with the Communist and Socialist, after all Socialist have lead some of the bloodiest revolutions in history - only to install vile dictators who have pillaged the land and made slaves of the people.

"They do not want to own your fortune, they want you to lose it; they do not want to succeed, they want you to fail; they do not want to live, they want you to die; they desire nothing, they hate existence ..." (Atlas Shrugged.)

_________________ Just a little thought from Ayn Rand and the "Age of Envy"

32 posted on 03/18/2003 6:32:41 AM PST by johnny reb
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To: Chemist_Geek
The deadly force policy will not deter protesters, said Peter Lumsdaine of the Vandenberg Action Coalition, one of the organizers of the planned trespassing.

They're going to toss in a few useful idiots and use their deaths as political fodder. How sweet.

33 posted on 03/18/2003 6:33:10 AM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: johnny reb
I love Ayn Rand - thanks!
34 posted on 03/18/2003 6:34:01 AM PST by ResistorSister (God Bless America and our troops)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
I e-mailed this article to everyone I could think of - just for fun.
35 posted on 03/18/2003 6:52:24 AM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
This information is all well and good, but where do these Leninist parties get their funds from? If the sources are foreign, which seems likely, I'd think the FBI would be interested. If the funding is domestic, the sources should be exposed for what they are ... traitors.
36 posted on 03/18/2003 6:52:57 AM PST by katana
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To: Chemist_Geek; dighton; sauropod
A Guadalupe man jumped onto the base's entrance sign Friday and sprayed it with 4 ounces of his own blood in a symbolic gesture of his anti-war stance..."We wanted them to see some blood," said Apel, a member of Guadalupe Catholic Worker, a social reform movement. "We wanted them to in some way visually experience the consequences of what they're doing."

It's pretty obvious that "what they're doing" is driving a lot of socialists insane.

What a visual experience. LOL

37 posted on 03/18/2003 6:53:33 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: BOBWADE; Mrs Zip
Bookmarked for info.
38 posted on 03/18/2003 6:56:01 AM PST by zip (I love being right)
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To: FreedomPoster
"Two words: Useful idiots."

I have five words: Traitors who should be hung.

39 posted on 03/18/2003 6:56:17 AM PST by F16Fighter (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: F16Fighter
Yes, that's a logical follow on.
40 posted on 03/18/2003 7:01:13 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: hellinahandcart
"We wanted them to in some way visually experience the consequences of what they're doing."

And when they asked the man his name, all he could say was "We are legion."

41 posted on 03/18/2003 7:01:35 AM PST by concerned about politics (Saddam needs a check up from the neck up.)
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To: Chemist_Geek
Interesting. In 1965, I was stationed at an Army Security Agency intercept site in California and the anti war idiots tried to breach our security. The spokesperson for our base read the "right to use deadly force" memo and the hippie contingent packed up and went to Presidio of SF and rioted. KRON TV reporters covering the "retreat" were urging the protesters to go on in, that we wouldn't shoot Americans, but when they saw the live ammo in our weapons, they made the right move and left.
42 posted on 03/18/2003 7:03:31 AM PST by zip (I love being right)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
"...there will be active civil disobedience"

And there will be busted heads to the cheers of the general population.
43 posted on 03/18/2003 7:07:58 AM PST by Let's Roll (Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.)
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To: F16Fighter
"I have five words: Traitors who should be hung."

These anti-American protesters whose groups are being funded by the evil doers need to be outed and served notice. Time for Bush and his administration to use their bully pulpit to expose these people and groups for who they are. Staying silent & wringing our wrists won't cut it. These vermin are enemies of our country and they need to be exposed as such. Then, watch them scurry like roaches when the light's turned on.
44 posted on 03/18/2003 7:15:17 AM PST by demkicker (I wanna kick some commie butt)
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To: demkicker
"These vermin are enemies of our country and they need to be exposed as such. Then, watch them scurry like roaches when the light's turned on."

Just gimme a light-switch ;-)

46 posted on 03/18/2003 7:47:18 AM PST by F16Fighter (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: holden
Is the mirror site with the Congressional members of the Socialists still maintained and available?
47 posted on 03/18/2003 8:00:58 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: MindBender26
I read that the Peace movement was actually founded by Stalin in 1948 and they have not protested wars by any country other than the US since its beginning.
48 posted on 03/18/2003 8:14:39 AM PST by Eva
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To: harpseal; Squantos; Jeff Head
There is one benifit to all the anti-war protests, think:Target Practice.

So many targets, so little time.

(sigh)
49 posted on 03/18/2003 8:19:41 AM PST by Mr_Magoo
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To: Chemist_Geek
A Guadalupe man jumped onto the base's entrance sign Friday and sprayed it with 4 ounces of his own blood in a symbolic gesture of his anti-war stance.

In this day and age, with the advent of AIDS, this action can be concidered to be bio-terror.

50 posted on 03/18/2003 8:29:57 AM PST by Mr_Magoo
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