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Shop grounded (Looks like R/C Airplanes to be banned?)
The Clanto Advertiser ^ | March 13, 2003 | Jason Green

Posted on 03/18/2003 6:00:43 AM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid

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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
A poster on http://www.rcuniverse.com claims this is a letter from the AMA president to the paper:

I have read much of what has been written on the subject of the recent incident with the hobby shop in Clanton, and will admonish you to realize that most of what has been written is an extreme exageration of the capabilities of any "normal" model airplane, such as those found in hobby shops. The speeds, and payloads, quoted do not reflect the state of the art in the, R/C model aircraft sport/hobby today. While those numbers MAY reflect the absolute records in the sport/hobby, they certainly do not reflect the potential performance of a single model, any more than the record mileage of an automobile (about 70 MPG), and the fastest automobile (nearly 700 mph), are the performance specifications of a single automobile. Furthermore, when a modeler refers to "Nitro", he is refering to "nitromethane", NOT "nitroglycerine", and nitromethane, while flamable, is MUCH safer than gasoline. In fact, if the flashpoint of nitromethane was just a few degrees higher, it would be classified as "combustable", in the same way as paper is. Nitromethane is quite safe, and will not explode, unless it is compressed in the cylinder of an engine. It is CERTAINLY not in the same category as nitroglycerine. It is MUCH safer than gasoline. With the possible exception of your lack of research to verify the facts, I do not blame you for this story, as it is obvious your reporter was mislead by the person he talked to, or, misinterpreted what he was told. I would offer my, personal, help, in any, future, story on the subject of model airplanes, to ensure that the facts are presented in an accurate way. Certainly, a model airplane could be used in a detrimental way, but, then, so could almost anything. A model airplane is no more likely to be used in a detrimental way, than would be an automobile, a truck, or a bow and arrow. In fact, of the aforementioned items, I'd say the model is a lesser threat than all except the bow, and arrow, and isn't much more of a threat than that! Should you ever need any help in verifying the facts in a story involving model airplanes, please feel free to contact me. Just FYI, the Academy of Model Aeronautics, (AMA), is a 170,000 member organization, dedicated to serving the needs of model airplane enthusiasts in the USA.

Dave Brown

AMA President

41 posted on 03/19/2003 11:07:52 AM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: The Great Satan
AMA only insures models with a weight not to exceed 55 pounds. With a payload of 40 pounds that only leaves 15 pounds for the engine and airframe. Not a practical combination.

However I have seen photos of models as large as a 75% scale Extra or some other aerobatic scale plane. That would be a wing span of around 20 feet. Of course he was self insured.
42 posted on 03/19/2003 11:11:54 AM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Jimmy Buffet lives in Flordia, and I am pretty sure he is a conservative. On the opposite end of the political scale of his uncle Warren Buffet.

Jimmy sends lots of mixed messages. He's an active hunter, but he appeared at campaign functions for Gore - and Clinton, too, IIRC.

43 posted on 03/19/2003 11:15:21 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Maybe the reason this guy was singled out is because his models go beyond the normal size range. I recall asking myself a few days ago, when I saw the picture on Drudge's website of the Iraqi drone, how big do RC model aircraft get? If the payload is really 40 lbs, that would be more than enough to take out a large city with anthrax.
44 posted on 03/19/2003 11:15:57 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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Iraqis: "Smoking gun" made with duct tape

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By Niko Price

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March 12, 2003  |  Al-Taji, Iraq -- A remotely piloted aircraft that the United States has warned could spread chemical weapons appears to be made of balsa wood and duct tape, with two small propellors attached to what look like the engines of a weed whacker.

Iraqi officials took journalists to the Ibn Firnas State Company just north of Baghdad on Wednesday, where the drone's project director accused Secretary of State Colin Powell of misleading the U.N. Security Council and the public.

"He's making a big mistake," said Brig. Imad Abdul Latif. "He knows very well that this aircraft is not used for what he said."

In Washington's search for a "smoking gun" that would prove Iraq is not disarming, Powell has insisted the drone, which has a wingspan of 24.5 feet, could be fitted to dispense chemical and biological weapons. He has said it "should be of concern to everybody."

The drone's white fuselage was emblazoned Wednesday with the words "God is great" and the code "Quds-10." Its balsa wood wings were held together with duct tape. Officials said they referred to the remotely piloted vehicle as the RPV-30A.

Latif said the plane is controlled by the naked eye from the ground. Asked whether its range is above the 93-mile limit imposed by the United Nations, he said it couldn't be controlled from more than five miles.

Latif said the exact range will be determined when the drone passes to the next testing stage.

Ibn Firnas' general director, Gen. Ibrahim Hussein disputed assertions by Powell and White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer that the drone was capable of dispensing biological and chemical weapons.

"This RPV is to be used for reconnaissance, jamming and aerial photography," he said. "We have never thought of any other use."

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte, complained this weekend that chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix didn't mention the drone in his oral presentation to the Security Council on Friday.

Blix mentioned the drone in a 173-page written list of outstanding questions about Iraq's weapons programs last week. While small, Blix said, drones can be used to spray biological warfare agents such as anthrax. He said the drone hadn't been declared by Iraq to inspectors.

But Iraq insisted it declared the drone in a report in January -- and Hussein held up its declaration to prove it. The confusion, he said, was the result of a typo: The declaration said the wingspan was 14.5 feet instead of 24.5 feet as stated by Powell.

"When we discovered the mistake we addressed an official letter correcting the wingspan," he said. He showed that letter to reporters as well. He suggested inspectors had already seen the drone when the correction was made, but said: "No one of the inspectors noticed the difference."

"We are really astonished when we hear that this RPV was discovered by inspectors, when it was declared by Iraq," Hussein said. "Nothing is hidden."

Hiro Ueki, spokesman for the U.N. weapons inspectors, said the United Nations was investigating the drone's capabilities, and said he was unsure whether Iraq reported the drone before inspectors found it on an airfield or after.

Iraq seized on the issue of the drone -- along with early reports from Washington that Iraqi fighter jets threatened a U.N.-sponsored U-2 reconnaissance plane on Tuesday -- as proof that Washington is trying to mislead the world about Iraq's weapons programs in its push for war.

"You can imagine the exaggerations the Americans are capable of," said Maj. Gen. Hossam Mohammed Amin, the chief Iraqi liaison with U.N. weapons inspectors.

The United States has been searching for a way out of an impasse created by its demand that Baghdad be given an ultimatum to disarm or face war, which has so far failed to gather enough support in the Security Council.

Amin said the United Nations advised Iraq of one U-2 flight Tuesday, but that two U-2s entered Iraq's airspace. Multiple flights are permitted under a U.N. Security Council resolution approved last November, but the United Nations agreed to inform Iraq in advance.

U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity said Iraq launched fighter jets, which threatened one of the planes. Amin disputed that, saying the jets "did not take any measures."

Iraqi workers in al-Taji, meanwhile, were destroying three more Al Samoud 2 missiles Wednesday, banned by the United Nations because they can fly farther than allowed, and two trucks full of components for the missile, said Odai al-Taie, a senior Information Ministry official.

Before Wednesday's destruction, Iraq had destroyed 55 of its approximately 100 missiles, as well as 28 warheads, two casting chambers, two launchers and five engines -- all associated with the Al Samoud 2 program. Tools and computer software used for launching have also been destroyed.

Source: Salon

45 posted on 03/19/2003 11:19:52 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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An Iraqi mechanic displays a radio-controlled drone near Baghdad. The drone has a wingspan of 24.5 feet, which prompted concern that it could fly long distances, but an Iraqi general said it had never flown more than two miles.

Photo Credit: Michael Robinson-chavez -- The Washington Post

Source: Iraqi Officials Proudly Exhibit A Disputed, Dinged-Up Drone

46 posted on 03/19/2003 11:25:56 AM PST by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Jimmy Buffet lives in Flordia, and I am pretty sure he is a conservative.

I'm afraid Jimmy's a liberal, and a Sinkmeister supporter at that.

:-(

47 posted on 03/19/2003 11:41:07 AM PST by Jonah Hex
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid; All
For the R/C hobbyists in this thread and others who are interested, there is a good discussion thread on this topic over at R/C Universe message boards.

There are comments there from people who've met this hobby shop proprietor. He sounds like he knows just enough about the hobby to create Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt when he runs his ignorant mouth. I know of a few gunshop owners who come off that way when interviewed, too.

48 posted on 03/19/2003 12:20:20 PM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Liberal Classic
What do model airplanes have to do with children? I haven't seen a child with one in years. Yeah there are some toys that claim to be radio controled model airplanes. But they don't really fly!
49 posted on 03/19/2003 12:46:10 PM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: ItsTheMediaStupid
Maybe I'm projecting, as I was into these as a teenager. Begged my grandparents to spend a small fortune on them. Maybe you're right, and it isn't a child's sport anymore.
50 posted on 03/19/2003 12:55:08 PM PST by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Liberal Classic
Only if said kid is rich, IMHO. When I bought my first R/C plane and all the associated gear to fly it in 1995, I spent about a grand.
51 posted on 03/19/2003 12:58:06 PM PST by Mr_Magoo (Single, available, and easy)
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To: Mr_Magoo
Yes, at the time my grandparents were well off. :)
52 posted on 03/19/2003 1:04:02 PM PST by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: eborys
Sounds phoney... anyway, I'm glad I fly RC sailplanes. W9NM

How many R/C models do you see routinely that can carry a 40 pound payload?
Are we reading the same article?

53 posted on 03/19/2003 1:16:28 PM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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