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[Arab TV Claims] US Jet Shot Down by Iraqi Anti Aircraft Fire [Female Pilot Captured]
Islamic Republic News Agency and 'Al Arabiya' TV ^ | March 22, 2003 | BH/JB

Posted on 03/22/2003 1:35:19 PM PST by ewing

Iraq anti aircraft shot down an invading jet over Baghdad Saturday, the al-Arabiya television channel said.

The aircrafts pilot-a woman-and its co-pilot parachuted safely but were captured by Iraqi forces.

(Excerpt) Read more at irna.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: arabtv; enemypropaganda; female; iraq; iraqifreedom; jet; pilot; taqiyya; taqiyyalist; war
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To: TankerKC
Yes there are women pilots. My husband had MANY commands and is as decorated as Audie Murphy.

How about you?
101 posted on 03/22/2003 2:56:19 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: TankerKC
No, I have never had a command. However my husband has had many. You?
102 posted on 03/22/2003 2:57:43 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: dandelion
Look.. I don't want to hurt your feelings, but if you can't change a tire or kick my ass then you should just reserve these GI Jane screeds for the choir.

I have great respect for women, but don't insult my intelligence with posts like that.

103 posted on 03/22/2003 2:58:36 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: MarkL
Lt. Kara Hultgreen.....killed due to pilot error on her first carrier landing (it may have been her first night carrier landing). Her gunner ejected safely. She would have washed out long before if she had not been given waivers repeatedly to appease the feminists. The officers who complained about this after her tragic death were forced to resign not for lying but for breaking the Navy's confidentiality.
104 posted on 03/22/2003 2:58:56 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: Jhoffa_
As long as the subject is on the table, I don't like the gays either.

It's not so much the gay thing as it is politics, for me. I've never met any gay Conservatives. Have you?

105 posted on 03/22/2003 2:58:56 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: MarkL
Women were first being accepted into fighter jet training around 1985 when I was a senior in high school and seriously considering going for it. I was the only chick I knew who had posters of F-16s on her wall and a copy of "Jane's Aircraft Recognition" on my nightstand.

For many years, women served in roles such as test-flying and ferrying of fighters between locations, and giving flight instruction. There are many roles in operations where sending a pilot through or to an area without combat training was silly and a liability, so they receive the same training. Many turned out to be just as good and have now been flying in combat roles for our last few scuffles around the world, including Kosovo, Afghanistan and Gulf War 1.

I won't deny that there are issues with validity about women in combat. I would not push for very many of the women I know to be infantry. They aren't strong enough. I do however think that they make fine pilots.

I won't usually talk about those issues with people that sound so angry about it that they want to insult those women who wish to pursue it. I almost became one, though I didn't and stayed civillian. But I know some that did, and they were sharp plucky girl-pilots I would be proud of, as proud as I am the sharp plucky guy-pilots I know. Pilots are my favorite people, the cocky brats.
106 posted on 03/22/2003 3:00:12 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!)
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To: Dec31,1999
Actually I know 2 homosexual men here in Nashville (a couple) who are Republicans. It happens. Fiscal conservatives.
107 posted on 03/22/2003 3:00:25 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: Dec31,1999
Well, there are the Log Cabin Republicans..

I was more concerned about the gay thing as it relates to a military environment.

I just don't think it's a good idea.

108 posted on 03/22/2003 3:00:56 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: annyokie
I sure have, but not of combat unit. I've been doing my part for 22 years. I thank your husband for his service. I'm sure it gets you a great parking spot at the PX.

Still you haven't documented that commanders avoid letting women fly in combat.

109 posted on 03/22/2003 3:01:33 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: dandelion
You are confusing women political/military leaders of old with being equal in a combat role today.

I would never quarrel with the notion that a few women throughout history have been very warlike in their rule and deliciously vicious at times....but they are the exception and those who were effective were an exaggeration of men.

The list of reasons why women should not serve in comabt is so long it is essay worthy and we all know what they are.

Historically very few nations have relied on women in combat unless as a last resort. I suppose they were all stupid. This is not some new noble idea that the feminists have stumbled upon 30 years ago.

Like other misguided social engineering experiments, this one will fail with time. Mark my words.
110 posted on 03/22/2003 3:09:21 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: TankerKC
You seem to know more about the Streeses of Comanding the PX parking lot to me!!!!
111 posted on 03/22/2003 3:10:58 PM PST by Archdean
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To: Archdean
No, she's a legit aviator.

There's an in-situ picture of her floating around on one of these threads.

112 posted on 03/22/2003 3:13:25 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: Jhoffa_
"This is bad.."

But is it series?

113 posted on 03/22/2003 3:20:30 PM PST by mass55th
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To: Jhoffa_
That post didn't insult your intelligence - you did that yourself. If history or truth insults you, go to DU and hang out with the other anti-Warrior weenies.

As for you're little challenge; I CAN kick a tire and I CAN kick your ass - so you didn't hurt my feelings at all.

114 posted on 03/22/2003 3:20:31 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Jhoffa_
I just don't think it's a good idea.

I agree. From what I've seen and heard, gays and women (or socialists of any kind) in the military is not a good idea.

115 posted on 03/22/2003 3:24:34 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: dandelion
Well, "Dandelion" it might interest you to know that I am not an anti-war, DU type.

The rest of your boast is ridiculous. It's not my fault it's ridiculous, go yell at God or your parents if you're angry about it.

116 posted on 03/22/2003 3:25:44 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: TankerKC
"I thank your husband for his service. I'm sure it gets you a great parking spot at the PX."

I guess you'd know since your expertise is in LOGISTICS, not COMBAT.
117 posted on 03/22/2003 3:27:39 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: wardaddy
I don't believe that most women are fitted for some forms of combat, and I have long fought against the idea of women trying to be men. I do not believe in affirmative action or PC appointments, and I HATED Clinton's military policies concerning women in all positions, regardless of ability. Women on the battlefield can do many kinds of jobs, but THEY MUST BE ABLE TO PULL THE LOAD. If they cannot do it, they should not be advanced, period. Clinton's "experiment" has already failed. But the women now in place and now taking fire deserve our support, not the put-downs and rantings that some heap upon them here.

This thread is about the brave women now serving with pride in this war, and those who are possibly now in harms' way. These women deserve our support at this time, as well as the men who fight with them. Anyone who highjacks this thread and puts down our troops who might be in harms way deserves my bile, and those who do so belong in San Fransisco on the sidewalk with the rest of the pukes.

118 posted on 03/22/2003 3:29:07 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Jhoffa_
if you can't change a tire or kick my ass then you should just...

I hate changing tires. I did it once... in the garage changing over to snow tires in the fall. But now I take them to a shop to swap out because it is so much easier that way. I changed my own oil once to. never again. It's a mess.

I wish I could kick your ass, just for fun!

119 posted on 03/22/2003 3:29:08 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!)
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To: Jhoffa_
Not angry, just right. I'm supporting our troops, you're putting them down.
120 posted on 03/22/2003 3:30:49 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Jhoffa_
I'll second that. JHoffa at DU would be one lost soul.
121 posted on 03/22/2003 3:31:17 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: Dec31,1999; dandelion
Third. JHoffa is a lot of things.... but DUer is not one of them!
122 posted on 03/22/2003 3:32:21 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

You're so thick headed it would be like fighting the Black Knight!

123 posted on 03/22/2003 3:32:57 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: Jhoffa_
I'm not thick-headed, I'm plucky.
124 posted on 03/22/2003 3:34:23 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!)
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To: dandelion

No way, if we have a lady lost in combat, I hope she's okay.. I'm not a f'ing monster, of course I support her as one of our troops!

It doesn't change my gripe about the military though.

125 posted on 03/22/2003 3:34:50 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: dandelion
I think your agenda is overheating. There is no dishonor to present women patriots defending our freedom involved here. Just a friendly discussion, in general terms, about who is appropriate to serve in the military.
126 posted on 03/22/2003 3:35:27 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: dandelion
Honey....I am against women in combat or aboard carriers etc. That is simply my opinion.

I have not seen anyone on this thread wishing anything but the best for any of our women who might be in harm's way over there now.

I would much prefer to see a man captured or killed by our enemy than any women who may be at risk....if it is going to happen which of course it will since this is a war.


127 posted on 03/22/2003 3:36:48 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: ewing
Between this post and the ones you make from Debka, I'd suggest that you need to focus on other sources.
128 posted on 03/22/2003 3:40:14 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: HairOfTheDog
For the sake of all future relations, I will now nail both hands firmly to the desk..
129 posted on 03/22/2003 3:40:32 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Has anyone noticed who waves the safety flag on construction projects? Men don't get a break anymore.

The women be wavin that flag all day for 40 bucks an hour!(PC madness).

130 posted on 03/22/2003 3:41:22 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: Jhoffa_
They really need our support right now - and you have a right to be concerned about the military policies put in place by X42. Your support, and the support of every veteran, means a great deal to those who fight right now, and the failures of any policy that is not working will become horribly apparent over the next few weeks. OTOH, anything that works will be revealed.

No, you're not a monster, you're just putting your opinion out there. Perhaps we need to start another thread to address these legitimate concerns, one where it would not besmirch those who now may need our support most of all. Being a POW in Iraq is all hell.

I appreciate you saying you support them - they need it. Parents of troops NEED to hear this right now - and I will be among them soon... I am PROUD of my daughter.

P.S. Just between you and me, I _could_ whip you, but I would need to employ the tire iron I just used to change that flat. At five feet, I have to rely on pure meaness ;)

131 posted on 03/22/2003 3:42:53 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Dog Gone
Yes, but he got those interesting pictuers from somewhere. Perhaps it wasn't Debka, though.
132 posted on 03/22/2003 3:43:26 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: dandelion
Noone here has said they don't support our brave men and women in our quest for freedom. Noone.
133 posted on 03/22/2003 3:48:18 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (It's high time to secure the boarders and deport ALL illegals.)
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To: Dec31,1999
The women be wavin that flag all day for 40 bucks an hour!(PC madness).

The fall of man is due to female flaggers now?

134 posted on 03/22/2003 3:48:36 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!)
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To: Jhoffa_
You are so sweet.
135 posted on 03/22/2003 3:49:43 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (The eagles are coming! The eagles are coming!)
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To: dandelion

As an astute poster pointed out previously, it's probably a load of crap. They try this school yard psy-ops garbage all the time. Bad propaganda designed to diminish morale and scare people.

At least I hope so and the odds are on our side.

136 posted on 03/22/2003 3:50:19 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: wardaddy
Plenty here who think they [women] should be [allowed to fly combat missions]. I'm not one of them.

Neither am I. Truth be told, I'm still miffed about women being allowed into the Academies. The Warrior Culture is long dead, and I have serious doubts that it'll ever be revived.

137 posted on 03/22/2003 3:56:51 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dec31,1999
I beg to differ but some have suggested that these women were shot down because they were inferior, gay, or incompetent. That is wrong, and it is a slap in the face of those who may have just gone down under fire and are possibly in enemy hands.

I will NEVER AGAIN stand idly by and let people run our troops down - for any reason. I am sick of those ****ing protestors, I'm sick of goldbricking soccermoms who whine, and I'm sick of people running down the men and women who give up their lives for us. Come to think of it, I think I'm starting to get in that "warrior mood" myself...

138 posted on 03/22/2003 3:57:06 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Archdean
streeses?
139 posted on 03/22/2003 3:58:15 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: annyokie
I'm proud of my service. Combat doesn't happen with out logistics. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the basics.

So...back to our original point. I'm truly interested. What makes you say that commanders won't let women into combat? Do you have some personal experience or know someone who has said that commander keep female aviators out of combat.

140 posted on 03/22/2003 4:02:52 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: dandelion
There isn't a day that goes by that my wife & I both wish we were younger so we both could sign up and take out some of these terrorists and tyrants.

Every time I hear about another of our troops down, it only makes us madder.

The B52's have taken off from Britain. So payback is imminent.
141 posted on 03/22/2003 4:07:58 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: TankerKC
Picky Picky, I can always count on you logistical types to put the emphasis on the mundane! Now I shall repent and spell it correctly (STRESSES)!!!

My very best to you and I sincerely thank you for your continued service!!
142 posted on 03/22/2003 4:08:08 PM PST by Archdean
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To: Jhoffa_
You and me both, brother. I'm thinking this is just another case of wishful thinking on the part of the Hussein propaganda machine.

I come from a military family - we always serve. My Great-grandfather, grandmother, father, uncle, and brother have all served, and my daughter will now. She wasn't "supposed" to go military, but after Sept. 11, she felt that she was being called into the military. When she approached me about it, the first thing as asked her was if she could kill someone - for the lives of many would depend on her discharging her duty. She said yes. I believed her. But when I detailed to her what has happened to our POW's in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq, and she replied that if it happened to her, she would be honored to join the ranks of those who have suffered for this nation.

I have no doubt that she can fulfill the duties of the post before her. I just wonder how on earth I will survive if the day came when uniformed men knocked on my door and told me my daughter was in the hands of the enemy. My heart bleeds for those who have suffered and will suffer at these hands of these immoral bastards.

143 posted on 03/22/2003 4:08:43 PM PST by dandelion
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To: ewing
Look at your source! You are their useful idiot.
144 posted on 03/22/2003 4:09:53 PM PST by verity
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To: Jhoffa_
Thanks for the save. I thought this post was as goofy as the mex/les one thats all.
145 posted on 03/22/2003 4:10:50 PM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: Archdean
No, actually, I just didn't know if you were try to dog me or what. If so, I don't know what motivated it. I though maybe I missed something.
146 posted on 03/22/2003 4:13:39 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: annyokie
Women flying in combat…

Women Military Aviators are Flying Combat Missions for the First Time" Seattle Post-Intelligencer 12/19-20/1998

Female pilots earning respect in Gulf combat roles

147 posted on 03/22/2003 4:16:25 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: Bulldogs22
Don't feel pregnant..

It's nothing compared to the time I refered to myself as the "Master Race" on a German thread (strictly in kidding, half the stuff I post is teasing someone, somewhere for something) and a Jewish FReeper didn't think it was amusing.

Geezel, she was MAD!

148 posted on 03/22/2003 4:17:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Yes, there is sexual tension between Sammy & Frodo.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The general public would naturally be more worried about a female soldier in enemy hands than her male counterpart.

That is why females have no business in combat.

Not because they cannot function, but because we cannot stomach harm coming to our mothers and daughters.

149 posted on 03/22/2003 4:18:09 PM PST by Wormwood
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To: Mr. Mojo
My family are big VMI alumni involved...need I say more?

Shame is an understatement.
150 posted on 03/22/2003 4:19:31 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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