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[Arab TV Claims] US Jet Shot Down by Iraqi Anti Aircraft Fire [Female Pilot Captured]
Islamic Republic News Agency and 'Al Arabiya' TV ^ | March 22, 2003 | BH/JB

Posted on 03/22/2003 1:35:19 PM PST by ewing

Iraq anti aircraft shot down an invading jet over Baghdad Saturday, the al-Arabiya television channel said.

The aircrafts pilot-a woman-and its co-pilot parachuted safely but were captured by Iraqi forces.

(Excerpt) Read more at irna.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: arabtv; enemypropaganda; female; iraq; iraqifreedom; jet; pilot; taqiyya; taqiyyalist; war
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To: ewing
It isn't true. Iraqi propaganda.........and lousy propaganda, at that. These guys just suck at it. Makes you wonder how they kept control for over 30 years.
151 posted on 03/22/2003 4:20:01 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: TankerKC
"I'm proud of my service. Combat doesn't happen with out logistics"

AND, Logistics isn't worth a good GD unless others use 'em!
Note to logistics: "with out" is one word.

Thank you for your service to our Great Country!

2."What makes you say that commanders won't let women into combat? Do you have some personal experience or know someone who has said that commander keep female aviators out of combat."

YES!
152 posted on 03/22/2003 4:20:20 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: TankerKC
"No, actually, I just didn't know if you were try to dog me or what. If so, I don't know what motivated it. I though maybe I missed something."

The only thing you missed is that Annyokie is my Civilian Copilot!!
153 posted on 03/22/2003 4:24:27 PM PST by Archdean
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To: Jhoffa_
I agree with you on no combat for women. I have decided not to mention lesbians anymore. I better get sensitivity training so I don't offend them.
154 posted on 03/22/2003 4:25:04 PM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: annyokie
YES!

Is there any reason that you are not sharing this experience? Tell us.

155 posted on 03/22/2003 5:52:43 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: TankerKC
"Is there any reason that you are not sharing this experience?"

YES!!
156 posted on 03/22/2003 5:55:00 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: usconservative
They're not. At least they weren't last time I checked.

Female AH-64 pilot. Suprised me as well.

157 posted on 03/22/2003 5:57:00 PM PST by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: annyokie
OK. I'm not sure what your game is. If you have something to say, then say it.

This has been a lovely thread. Let me recap. Fact: Women do fly combat missions. Unless you have something to add, I’ll assume that we are done.

158 posted on 03/22/2003 5:58:43 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: usconservative; johniegrad
I didn't think women were flying combat aircraft in combat situations.

They're not. At least they weren't last time I checked.

I was there in 98-99 during DESERT FOX and there were two women pilots flying bombing runs... So, yes, they are definitely flying combat aircraft in combat situations...

159 posted on 03/22/2003 6:08:20 PM PST by FenianOfEire
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To: TankerKC
Discretion is the better part of Valor. In case you hadn't taken notice, I was done some time ago.

Someone find a pix of a female DFC recepient and I'll get active again.

Best regards.
160 posted on 03/22/2003 6:10:54 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: annyokie
One part of being "done" is admitting that you have been corrected.

Just cuz you fly in combat doesn't mean you get a DFC. Do you, or do you not stand by your post #57?

161 posted on 03/22/2003 6:13:24 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: Wormwood
Thank you, Sir!!
162 posted on 03/22/2003 6:14:10 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: Wormwood
Thank you, Sir!! Well said!!!
163 posted on 03/22/2003 6:14:31 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: TankerKC
Lets just concentrate on the "safety and well being" of the female pilot mentioned in the thread introduction rather then beating a dead horse!!

I must tell you there is a very strong bond among pilots and so far you have not claimed to be one!!
164 posted on 03/22/2003 6:26:07 PM PST by Archdean
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To: Archdean
I don't need to be a pilot to make comments. So far, mine have been much more accurate than anny's. She made an absolutely incorrect statement, then beats around the bush, insults me, then has to call her hubby to clean up the mess.

Fact: Women DO fly in combat.

...and, this report is probably bogus.

165 posted on 03/22/2003 6:30:20 PM PST by TankerKC
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To: TankerKC
I will agree with you, women are now able to fly in Combat Aircraft. However, that is not to say that they are intentionally placed in Direct Combat Situations.

Now, please stop your incessent fixation on this topic.

Thank you.
166 posted on 03/22/2003 6:34:19 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: grimalkin
Women do not fly in jets during combat missions.

Incorrect.

167 posted on 03/22/2003 6:40:29 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: battousai
Women can't fly combat missions or aircraft so this is obviously some fake news...

Incorrect.

168 posted on 03/22/2003 6:42:08 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: annyokie
Female pilots do not fly combat missions.

Incorrect.

169 posted on 03/22/2003 6:44:25 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Centurion2000
Female AH-64 pilot. Suprised me as well.

We've had female Apache pilots since 1994.

170 posted on 03/22/2003 6:45:51 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Female pilots are not intentionally given these missions.

Most are assigned to Combat Support roles and do a damned good job of it!!
171 posted on 03/22/2003 6:50:53 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: wardaddy
killed due to pilot error on her first carrier landing (it may have been her first night carrier landing).

Incorrect. Hultgreen flew Intruders, for which she was carrier qual'd, prior to F-14s, for which she was also carrier qual'd. She also was carrier qual'd at Pensacola while a student. She had a number of traps and she crashed in broad daylight on her final attempt.

Her gunner ejected safely.

The other crewmember was a RIO - Radar Intercept Officer, not a gunner. Hultgreen was actually the trigger puller on that bird and we know she didn't eject safely.

172 posted on 03/22/2003 6:54:49 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Thanks form the clarification but you know damn well she had 7 washouts in the F-14 landings prior to her first F-14 carrier attempt which took her life. More than enough to have canned a male flyer according to the Navy personnel who reported this and were fired for their efforts.
173 posted on 03/22/2003 7:16:52 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: annyokie
Female pilots are not intentionally given these missions.

Incorrect, once again. I suggest you spend some time in Operations at a forward operating area or in the Ready Room onboard a carrier or LHA/LHD and read a few manifests. Or maybe you can catch a flight to Kuwait and visit 1st Lieutenant Vernice Armour USMC who at this very minute is flying combat missions in Operation Iraqi Freedom. She flies AH-1W attack helicopters, intentionally.

174 posted on 03/22/2003 7:27:32 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: wardaddy
Thanks form the clarification but you know damn well she had 7 washouts in the F-14 landings prior to her first F-14 carrier attempt which took her life.

Incorrect. She was carrier qual'd in an F-14 at the FRS. She was in a fleet squadron, VF-213, when she screwed the pooch. She had previously successfully trapped an F-14 on a carrier. This was not her first attempt. I'm not defending the poor decision to put an unqualified pilot in the cockpit of an F-14, just stating the facts.

175 posted on 03/22/2003 7:44:20 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
"Thanks form the clarification but you know damn well she had 7 washouts in the F-14 landings prior to her first F-14 carrier attempt which took her life."

Thank you, sir. Girls do not belong on the Bridge!!!

Our Creator has given us all special skills/roles, when we attempt to blend and/or modify them, the result is always something less than what was intended.
176 posted on 03/22/2003 7:57:11 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: annyokie
You should have responded to wardaddy for his comment, not me.

Are your bags packed to go and visit Lieutenant Armour?

177 posted on 03/22/2003 8:07:04 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
"Are your bags packed to go and visit Lieutenant Armour"

Rather childish, don't you think?

I stated my opinion as a mature female/pilot.
178 posted on 03/22/2003 8:29:03 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: Dec31,1999
I've never met any gay Conservatives.

Al Rantel is a conservative talk radio host on KABC and a very intellectual conservative.

179 posted on 03/22/2003 8:33:34 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
She was the first woman "qualified" to fly carrier correct?

Along with the later dismissed woman (whose name I can't recall...Lorenzo??) and who has since filed suit against the Navy for not being given carrier status?

Please enlighten me...I'm not flaming.

BTW...what is your view on women in combat. You seem to be better up to speed on the facts than I.
180 posted on 03/22/2003 8:35:24 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: wardaddy
Girls do not belong on the Bridge!
181 posted on 03/22/2003 8:40:42 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: annyokie
I agree...I've about beat that horse to death here.
182 posted on 03/22/2003 9:28:59 PM PST by wardaddy (G-dspeed our troops!)
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To: wardaddy
She was the first woman "qualified" to fly carrier correct?

No. First female F-14 pilot but there have been women carrier pilots in the past.

183 posted on 03/23/2003 5:13:15 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: annyokie
Your opinion has repeatedly been shown to be factually inaccurate. Failing to admit that you are wrong is extremely childish. Your gender/occupation is irrelevant to the subject at hand.
184 posted on 03/23/2003 5:15:34 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: ApesForEvolution
On the first day, we took control of Iraqi radio. Now, we need to pray that the Special Forces in Baghdad can take control of the television. Once accomplished, we need to broadcast the photos of Saddam on the stretcher!
185 posted on 03/23/2003 5:17:55 AM PST by freedom4me
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To: usconservative
HI ya sweetie....hope all is well with you and yours....beutiful day here in Houston...how is Illinois?
186 posted on 03/23/2003 5:18:10 AM PST by antivenom (Liberals MULTIPLY by DIVIDING...)
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To: wardaddy
Along with the later dismissed woman (whose name I can't recall...Lorenzo??) and who has since filed suit against the Navy for not being given carrier status?

Carey Lohrenz was in the same class as Hultgreen and she made it to the fleet as well flying F-14s onto carriers. Fortunately she was removed from carrier aviation due to poor performance before she ended up like Hultgreen.

BTW...what is your view on women in combat. You seem to be better up to speed on the facts than I.

They don't belong there.

187 posted on 03/23/2003 5:21:25 AM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: annyokie
TankerKC is attempting to fixate on the truth, which you seem intent on denying. Remaining comments sef censored.
188 posted on 03/23/2003 5:51:00 AM PST by wita
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To: wita
sef, self, duh.
189 posted on 03/23/2003 5:54:22 AM PST by wita
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To: HairOfTheDog
The fall of man is due to female flaggers now?

LOL!

190 posted on 03/23/2003 6:48:33 AM PST by Dec31,1999 (Good one!)
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