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UPDATE ON RABBIT CRUELTY CASE-HELP NEEDED!
PETA.org ^ | 3/25/03 | Martin Mersereau

Posted on 03/25/2003 11:13:14 AM PST by libertylass

Martin Mersereau, Senior Caseworker Domestic Animal Issues & Abuse Dept. Tel: 757-622-7382, ext. 1506 Fax: 757-628-0796 please visit http://helpinganimals.com/

From: Martin Mersereau [mailto:MartinM@peta.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:00 AM Subject: Regarding Long Island rabbit cruelty case

Dear All,

Please forgive the impersonal reply, but all the emails I've received regarding this case precludes me from answering everyone individually. We're on top of this case, and are simply appalled. This family really shakes our faith in humanity. What a pack of vile devils! To make matters worse, as you probably know, NY's felony cruelty to animals provision will not apply here. In order for a felony cruelty to animals charge to apply, the victim must be a companion animal! Since the rabbits were kept as a food source, they cannot be defined as "companion animals."

However, we can still urge the prosecutor's office to charge the Loversos with felonies for animal fighting. As specified by Article 26 of New York's Agriculture and Markets laws (§ 351), it is a felony to "[cause] any animal to engage in animal fighting ... [f]or amusement," and to permit [such activity] ... to occur on premises under [one's] control." The Loversos reportedly did both.

The more letters the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office receives, the more likely they will either a) file these additional charges or b) submit the case before the Grand Jury for felony animal fighting indictments.

Attached is our letter to that office. Please forward this email widely and feel free to plagiarize the letter if necessary.

The Honorable Thomas Spota Suffolk County District Attorney Suffolk County District Attorney's Office Building #77 N County Complex Hauppauge, NY 11787 Fax: 631-853-5117 Copies of all letters should be sent to the assistant prosecutor assigned to this case: Jeff Langlan, Assistant District Attorney Suffolk County District Attorney's Office 400 Carleton Ave. Central Islip, NY 11722 Fax: 631-853-5844 Thank you for your concern and for your willingness to act! Sincerely, Martin Mersereau, Senior Caseworker


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As you may have read previously, the seriousness of the cruelty inflicted on seven rabbits by the father and son team in this family is especially horrific. I don't always like PETA's tactics, but this time they are needed to push for felony abuse charges against these animals.

If you are not interested in animal cruelty then please look to other posts, I don't care to hear animal cruelty jokes or justifications.

For those serious about convicting cruel people of these types of actions, then I ask that you send a letter to the above people.

Thanks much.....a rabbit owner and lover.

1 posted on 03/25/2003 11:13:14 AM PST by libertylass
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To: libertylass
Before I'd click on a PETA link, I'd want you to lay out this 'crime'.

Briefly, it sounds like someone is raising rabbits for food and I ask ... what's wrong with that?

2 posted on 03/25/2003 11:19:11 AM PST by knarf (RA 11448419)
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To: knarf
http://www.humanesocietyny.org/legislation.shtml
3 posted on 03/25/2003 11:20:48 AM PST by LisaAnne
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To: libertylass
So they got the rabbits to fight. How do rabbits fight? Kick and paw each other? Is this worth the fuss?
4 posted on 03/25/2003 11:22:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (VRRR)
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To: libertylass
Count me in.
5 posted on 03/25/2003 11:22:33 AM PST by stanz
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To: HiTech RedNeck
ACTION ALERT
Animal Cruelty

Another horrific case of animal cruelty is before the Suffolk County District Attorney's Office. This case involves a father and son who allegedly tortured their rabbits by purposely encouraging their dog to attack the rabbits, by kicking the rabbits, "karate chopping" the rabbits with their hands, and skinning a rabbit who was still alive.

The Suffolk County Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals charged the two men, Matteo and Rosario Loverso, with cruelty to animals, a misdemeanor. Because the rabbits were allegedly raised for food, they are not included within the scope of New York's "Buster Law" which makes acts of extreme cruelty to animals a felony.

However, it is important to note that New York's animal fighting law (section 351 of the Agriculture and Markets Law) states that persons engaged in animal fighting are guilty of a felony. Given that the dog was encouraged to attack the rabbits (It's on tape!), we are suggesting to the Suffolk County SPCA and the Suffolk County D.A.'s office to add the felony animal fighting charge.

6 posted on 03/25/2003 11:22:46 AM PST by LisaAnne (From the Humane Society Web site.)
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To: knarf
I think they skinned them alive.
7 posted on 03/25/2003 11:23:42 AM PST by mr.pink
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To: libertylass
being a country boy...let me say that i too resent the needless waste of rabbits...i have enjoyed eating them since i was born and to waste one that i might enjoy eating is terrible
8 posted on 03/25/2003 11:24:01 AM PST by mc10
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To: LisaAnne
Sounds like a good way to train a dog to hunt rabbits.
9 posted on 03/25/2003 11:26:02 AM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: libertylass; Poohbah
This is pretty ugly.

FYI ping to Poohbah.
10 posted on 03/25/2003 11:29:11 AM PST by hchutch ("But tonight we get EVEN!" - Ice-T)
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To: Khepera
Sounds like a good way to train a dog to hunt rabbits.

You obviously know nothing about training hunting dogs.
This is a certain way of ruining a dog for hunting.

So9

11 posted on 03/25/2003 11:30:04 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: mc10
being a country boy...let me say that i too resent the needless waste of rabbits...i have enjoyed eating them since i was born and to waste one that i might enjoy eating is terrible

Me too, but I want them killed quick so the adrenaline doesn't sour the taste.

So9

12 posted on 03/25/2003 11:31:43 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Actually it is a lot worse than a typical animal fight. Yes they kick and scratch each other--the "loser" often has the Lupine "Shock" reaction and dies. It is a pitiful sight to see a creature literally die of fright. The sounds made by a shocked rabbit dying are some of the most horrible I have ever heard.

If the rabbits do enough damage to each other by being confined, both can easily die. Also, a rabbit is no match for a dog.
13 posted on 03/25/2003 11:34:14 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: L,TOWM
Depends on the rabbit and the dog. I know some chihuahuas who wouldn't stand a chance.
14 posted on 03/25/2003 11:35:41 AM PST by dead
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To: dead
LOL, yeah, I've seen a couple of those also...

Especially if the rabbit in question is the (now extinct) Medievil British Carnivorous Rabbit.

Run Away! Run Away!
15 posted on 03/25/2003 11:39:27 AM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: L,TOWM
Also, a rabbit is no match for a dog.

Unless the Rabbit his clearly marked the "rope limit" line. In which case, the dog is liable to get his tongue painted green.

16 posted on 03/25/2003 11:39:41 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: mr.pink
Torture is unnecessary when a quick bullet or knife will do the job.

In addition, the stress of the animal will cause chemical reactions that degrade the meat.

Tasty rabbits are killed and eaten swiftly, preferrably with a .223 and a nice Oregon Pinot Noir respectively.
17 posted on 03/25/2003 11:54:12 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: libertylass
When I saw in the headline "Update on rabbit cruelty case" I though the old case resurfaced when Jimmy Carter beat the heck out of rabbit with a boat oar while he was fishing. If you're old enough you'll remember that the ex-prez, who nowadays spends his time trashing President Bush, thought the rabbit was going to "attack" him.
18 posted on 03/25/2003 12:00:13 PM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: Brad Cloven
Torture is unnecessary when a quick bullet or knife will do the job.

Exactly.

Tasty rabbits are killed and eaten swiftly, preferrably with a .223 and a nice Oregon Pinot Noir respectively.

They sure are.

When I was a young teen, my grandfather told me and my brothers how "in the old country", bringing someone a gift of rabbits was considered a tribute. When we got home we immediately "did the right thing".

Grandma cooked them up nicely, Grandpa grinned from ear to ear.
19 posted on 03/25/2003 12:05:27 PM PST by mr.pink
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To: libertylass
Sounds like these rabbits need to be prepared.


20 posted on 03/25/2003 12:08:02 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Yes
21 posted on 03/25/2003 12:09:56 PM PST by LiberationIT
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To: L,TOWM
Big, Sharp nasty Teeth!!!


22 posted on 03/25/2003 12:13:35 PM PST by EBUCK (FIRE!....rounds downrange! http://www.azfire.org)
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To: WaveThatFlag
While I was stationed at Laughlin AFB, Texas, there was a jackrabbit off the base guardpost that attacked a german shepherd military dog and sent him packing. The dog was treated for several really mean bites.

I disagree with this case, I am on the opposite side of any PETA case. BTW, I am allergic to rabbits because I became sensitized to them from killing and eating too many of them. Rabbits are food.

23 posted on 03/25/2003 12:17:41 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: From The Deer Stand
I don't recall the story about Carter killing a rabbit, although I am old enought to remember. Link?
24 posted on 03/25/2003 12:20:47 PM PST by Bigg Red (Defend America against her most powerful enemy -- the Democrats.)
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To: libertylass
I don't care whether PETA has a legitimate gripe against these people or not. I would never support any action that this group takes. They don't mind abusing FFA children, but they worry about animal abuse. Supporting PETA is no different than the idiot sheeple supporting the communist anti-war protesters.
25 posted on 03/25/2003 12:21:39 PM PST by Eva
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To: vetvetdoug
You are better off on another site where sarcasm and moronic statements can be enjoyed elsewhere.

These rabbits were hung upside down by their feet so the son could karate-chop their faces. When one rabbit was dropped on the floor with a broken back it tried to crawl away, only to have the family dog sicced on it. It was held up just high enough so the dog could jump up and takes bites out of it.

When one unconscious rabbit woke up it was being skinned alive. The audio screams can clearly be heard on the video that is being enjoyed by small children in their familial audience.

Yeah, that's probably something someone like you would enjoy. Perhaps we can get you a copy of the tape and you can share it with your children/grandchildren/nieces/nephews? HMMMM?



26 posted on 03/25/2003 12:27:55 PM PST by libertylass
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To: Eva
Then find another post. I don't agree with everything PETA espouses either, but they have the most clout to help in this case.

Pick your battles.
27 posted on 03/25/2003 12:29:10 PM PST by libertylass
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To: vetvetdoug
This was not initially a PETA case. A petition was put out by a private individual.

28 posted on 03/25/2003 12:30:41 PM PST by libertylass
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To: mr.pink
Sounds like PETA wrote the story.
29 posted on 03/25/2003 12:31:04 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: libertylass

30 posted on 03/25/2003 12:33:42 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have a lot of friends and family on Long Island....it was a pretty big story way before PETA even caught a whiff of it.
31 posted on 03/25/2003 12:34:52 PM PST by mr.pink
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To: libertylass
These are sick bastards who ought to endure the same treatment. Children who grow up watching this kind of perversion turn out to be screwed up later in life. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer and others whose names escape me. They tortured small animals for fun. At least he got what he deserved.
32 posted on 03/25/2003 12:38:06 PM PST by stanz
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To: Bigg Red
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33 posted on 03/25/2003 12:42:33 PM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: vetvetdoug
Cool. They do make good meat.

So did you put yours alive on the grill, or did you slice them while they were still alive just enough to drink their blood before cookin' em? Big difference between offing something that has a nervous system in a rapid fashion and getting your jollies making one of God's creatures suffer. How we treat sadistic bastards like this says a lot about ourselves as people.

In my home, rabbits have been eaten. Now they are pets, and something I do for my daughter, who never met an animal she did'nt love.

I never met an animal I did not find delicious, but the behavior the clymers showed in the story goes far, far beyond harvesting flesh for food.
34 posted on 03/25/2003 12:43:08 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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To: libertylass
"He who sups with the Devil had best bring a long handled spoon."

The above was common knowledge back when Bradford was using a quill pen to describe the "Plymothe Colonie'.

Your "cure' is sure to turn out to be worse than the disease. Maybe even worse than the sick puppies in the tape.
35 posted on 03/25/2003 12:49:42 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: libertylass
It amazes me that after you asked reasonably for the smart-alec commenters to go elsewhere, they just couldn't restrain themselves. I too despite PETA. That doesn't mean I automatically despise or ridicule every case they're involved in for the cases stand on their own regardless of who's involved as far as I'm concerned.

The thugs involved in this need to be seriously punished, and just because other atrocities are going on that need punished, doesn't eliminate the need in cases like these.

MM

36 posted on 03/25/2003 12:55:54 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: libertylass
I guess you have never been in a packing house where pigs are slaughtered. Get a life you self rightous phoney. Nothing I said deserved your statements and personal attack. I will always be on the opposite side of PETA and am proud of it. PETA folks are unrealistic and do not have a real grip on the realities of life.
37 posted on 03/25/2003 1:05:50 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: MississippiMan
despite = despise
38 posted on 03/25/2003 1:07:35 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: libertylass
I love shooting rabbits, especially with a revolver, little bastards dig holes under citrus trees and in the pasture along with thier evil cronies the ground squirrels.
39 posted on 03/25/2003 1:08:41 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: Porterville
Hollow points work best; specially when they stick their little rodent heads out of a hole to see what's goin' on.
40 posted on 03/25/2003 1:13:13 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: vetvetdoug
You, my friend, are a red-neck country bumpkin.
41 posted on 03/25/2003 1:14:53 PM PST by Rocky Mountain High
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To: libertylass
I used to have several Boa constrictors. Their favorite food were rabbits. They were dispatched quickly by the boas. Law of the jungle. I dont know what they did to those rabbits??
42 posted on 03/25/2003 1:18:04 PM PST by Coroner
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To: libertylass
Wow, that is truly horrible. These idiots should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Anyone that could torture animals for the fun of it as apposed to hunting (killing swiftly with little to no pain), should be sent to Iraq to live with those cruel, merciless monsters. I hate PETA with a passion, but I hate animal abuse more.

PEOPLE THAT COULD TORTURE ANIMALS ARE CAPABLE OF MUCH WORSE TO OTHER HUMANS.
43 posted on 03/25/2003 1:23:02 PM PST by Alylonee (HEY PEACENIKS....SMOKE SADDAM, NOT CRACK! - credit another freeper!)
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To: vetvetdoug
Chill out. Your insensitive statements are really just counter productive. If you're not interested in helping then just find another post. It's as easy as that. I'm a phoney? Wow....and why do I need to see pigs being slaughtered? I love ham and bacon, but don't need to see how they get to my table. Yes...you should stand by your convictions with PETA and any other organization, as shall I. If that makes me out of touch with reality then perhaps you need to re-think that one.

These animals were cruelly treated. Either you get that or you don't. You're not the only one that has been foolish on this site. I just picked on. Don't take it so personally.
44 posted on 03/25/2003 1:25:55 PM PST by libertylass
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To: GladesGuru
I fail to see the connection. Fighting for humane treatment of all animals, even while killing them (if that makes sense) is important to many animals lovers. Regardless if you support PETA, The Humane Society, or any other animal group. PETA tends to be a bit radical at times, but in this case I believe they are trying to treat the crime as a crime. I'm sure you wouldn't want small children to have observed this. I know I wouldn't. Doesn't that say something about the horrific nature of this particular case?

45 posted on 03/25/2003 1:29:27 PM PST by libertylass
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To: libertylass
I'm confused here... Do we have to go through PETA? Isn't there a number to the district attorneys office in the posting? Can't we just contact them? That might solve the PETA problem... forgive me if that is a stupid question!
46 posted on 03/25/2003 1:37:15 PM PST by Alylonee (HEY PEACENIKS....SMOKE SADDAM, NOT CRACK! - credit another freeper!)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Your right I don't know about training hunting dogs.

Ya know even when PETA is right I would seek other avenues of addressing the problem. I bet even the KKK is right about some things but I would never use their organization for any action right or wrong.
47 posted on 03/25/2003 2:04:01 PM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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I'd have to have my children starving and the peta link paying $10,000 a pop to click it, before I would hit their link.
48 posted on 03/25/2003 2:08:33 PM PST by LowOiL ("I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me" -Gen. Patton)
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To: knarf
Like i've always said,people who are involved in this kind of stuff should be subjected to the same cruelty they have inflicted.This is the only true way to teach human scum a lesson they'll never forget.
49 posted on 03/25/2003 2:12:27 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: Khepera
Ya know even when PETA is right I would seek other avenues of addressing the problem. I bet even the KKK is right about some things but I would never use their organization for any action right or wrong.

I agree. I can't help but think anything done through them (PETA or KKK) does more harm by encouraging them than good it does by righting a wrong.

I am gonna E-Mail the DA directly

So9

50 posted on 03/25/2003 2:18:47 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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