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U.S. Land Advance Could Pause for Weeks - Military
Reuters | March 30, 2003

Posted on 03/30/2003 1:11:51 AM PST by HAL9000

CENTRAL IRAQ (Reuters) - Some U.S. troops said on Sunday they had been told a pause in land advances toward Baghdad could last several weeks. They said they were digging trenches, laying mines around camps and camouflaging vehicles, but that the aerial and artillery bombardment on Iraqi positions in and around Baghdad would continue unabated.

"It looks like they are going to be in this position for at least two weeks, the sergeant says," said a Reuters reporter with U.S. forces in central Iraq.

"They're going to send in the aircraft to do the work before the grunts (foot soldiers) go in. It's going to be more air strikes, at least for a couple of weeks probably."

Another Reuters reporter was told that the pause could last as much as 35 to 40 days.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqifreedom; operationpause; reuterslies; saddamhussein; troopmovement
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1 posted on 03/30/2003 1:11:51 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Quagmire Alert!

In reality, the forces will pause likely until the 4th ID is boots on the ground and rolls up to Baghdad.

Bringing in additional forces to crush Baghdad isn't a bad thing.

2 posted on 03/30/2003 1:15:03 AM PST by Malsua
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To: HAL9000
Reuters is pretty much full of sh*t. Talking heads have repeatedly asked their embedded presstitutes about the stand down or "pause" and it ain't happening based on their first hand observations ......

Stay Safe Hal !

3 posted on 03/30/2003 1:17:23 AM PST by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: HAL9000
U.S. Land Advance Could Pause for Weeks - Military

This story is based on something said by an unnamed sergeant. This is what passes for journalism at Reuters...

4 posted on 03/30/2003 1:18:41 AM PST by ambrose
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To: HAL9000
I knew this had to be from Reuters before reading it. Sheesh.

Reuters - Useful idiots or just idiots? You decide.
5 posted on 03/30/2003 1:21:10 AM PST by Jen (Support our Troops * Stand up to Terrorists * Liberate Iraq)
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To: Malsua
Another arab propoganda piece by Rueters.

We will go in when ready.
6 posted on 03/30/2003 1:21:59 AM PST by Iwentsouth
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To: HAL9000
Newsflash: Reuters could actually write a pro-U.S. piece...but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
7 posted on 03/30/2003 1:22:21 AM PST by Young Rhino (France delenda est)
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To: HAL9000
Although the "skeptical" media will bemoan this "setback," I for one would be perfectly satisfied if this were the case. Why advance when we can bomb any defenses into nothingness at a distance?

I suppose there are political ramifications, the potential for chemical or more suicide/terror attacks, but I think those risks are outweighed by the benefits of pulverizing their troops around Baghdad. This has been an extremely successful campaign thus far - why not turn the battle of Baghdad into something akin to the battle for Kuwait?

8 posted on 03/30/2003 1:23:38 AM PST by hoyaloya
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To: Malsua
A pause is not the same as a quagmire. If we take the time to consolidate what we've got in the South, that would be a GOOD thing, rather than continuing this foolish rush to Baghdad. Let's keep reaming it from the air, and liberate some villages in the South (with is what we came to do... liberate villages, right?) Iraqis need to know we will stay with them, and guard them from the Fedayeen.
9 posted on 03/30/2003 1:24:29 AM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: ambrose
"... This story is based on something said by an unnamed sergeant. This is what passes for journalism at Reuters..."

No kidding.

10 posted on 03/30/2003 1:28:07 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: xm177e2
A pause is not the same as a quagmire.

Heh, yes. I say "quagmire alert" in reference to anything in which the NYT will spin as a defeat for the troops, but in reality is a non-event.
11 posted on 03/30/2003 1:29:32 AM PST by Malsua
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To: HAL9000
Reuters = crap.

But this article can be used to illustrate a point. NOBODY knows the military plan (except the planners). The military moves in and everyone says "oh no! aren't you supposed to do strategic bombing for a month first to soften up the targets! oh no! our military doesn't know what they're doing!"

So... for all we know the plan was to make a rapid 1 week movement into iraq to secure the airbases in the south and west. Then spend the month doing the softening up. If that had been the plan then it is a pretty darn good one. Air bases only 200 miles from the lines allow rapid cycle times for air support. Otherwise the cycle time is slow because of the distance the air has to travel. Our buddies the saudis and turks haven't helped. A plane that takes half as long to get to target and back is like having twice as many planes.

The point is that unless you know the plan you can't evaluate how things are going in relation to the plan. duh. All you CAN do is objectively evaluate results to date. So far? Amazingly low coalition casualties (of course 1 is tragic and not worth all in iraq) and massive enemy casulties.

How can any non-moron say that either things are going bad or that the plan is not working?
12 posted on 03/30/2003 1:30:02 AM PST by TheLooseThread
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To: HAL9000
Why does Yahoo use Roto-Reuters as their news service?
13 posted on 03/30/2003 1:30:04 AM PST by Russell Scott (Iraqi soldier, is it really worth dying for the Butcher of Baghdad?)
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To: HAL9000
I think it is called a seige, not a pause. After the hard press and sandstorms, our troops deserve some rest.
14 posted on 03/30/2003 1:30:11 AM PST by Ruth A.
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To: HAL9000
Fox is talking about it now.....but, remember....

"40 days and 40 nights"

(and 40 virgins)
15 posted on 03/30/2003 1:34:48 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: any1
Thank you dear God!
16 posted on 03/30/2003 1:45:17 AM PST by mc10
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To: HAL9000

17 posted on 03/30/2003 1:46:01 AM PST by Spruce
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To: HAL9000; VaBthang4; mhking
This is not difficult....certainly not rocket science:

1. They rushed to CUT OFF Baghdad. They rushed to cut off Basra. There is nothing going in and nothing coming out that we are not in control of. This is an ages old tactic, and it blows my mind that this can't be seen.

2. Once the knights would surround the castle they would bring up the seige equipment, the catapults, and the battering rams. Now the troops await the word that a breach has been made by the fire support elements: precision munitions, artillery, clandestine ops, etc.

TO TIGHTEN THE SEIGE WHILE OUTSIDE THE BESEIGED CITY IS NOT EXACTLY HARD FOR ANYONE TO FIGURE OUT!! Why can't the media get it? You don't go rushing into their strength and get decimated.

It's not stalled, paused, stymied, stuck, quagmired...you name it.

It has accomplished it's initial objective of reaching the city. IT IS TIGHTENING THE NOOSE! CUTTING OFF RESUPPLY...CUTTING OFF HOPE!

18 posted on 03/30/2003 1:47:28 AM PST by peeve23
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To: Russell Scott
Why does Yahoo use Roto-Reuters as their news service?

Heres the others they link to. AP, New York Times, USA Today, NPR, AFP [frog news service] and Oneworld.net.

Do you see any pattern here [grin]. They could rename them all the "Left Wing Weasle News Agencies".

Terp

19 posted on 03/30/2003 1:55:22 AM PST by Terp
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To: HAL9000
For God's sake, I'm sick and tired of hearing of this "pause". Does anyone really think our advance would just keep going any further toward Baghdad before the RG divisions ahead of it were degraded sufficiently by air power? There IS no delay! The only "problem" that I can see is that our advance may have gotten to where it is faster and sooner than had been planned. Now they have to wait for the 4th ID to get there and for the RG to be bombed down to 50%. Big deal. Baghdad's not going anywhere. By the time the 4th ID is there the RG will be in a world of hurt, and then we'll move in on Baghdad.
20 posted on 03/30/2003 1:56:03 AM PST by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: laz17
We have to get that other armored division in from Germany (which one of the nations would allow to use their railroads to deploy) which after the war will return to Poland as part of our new basing strategy.
21 posted on 03/30/2003 1:58:56 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Squantos
what does presstitute mean?
22 posted on 03/30/2003 1:59:56 AM PST by mc10
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To: Russell Scott
Yahoo uses more than Reuters. On my Yahoo page I have AP, E!, San Jose Merc, LA times, WLJA, KPIX, KCBS,Baltimore Sun and Court TV... which is about 5% of their sources--at most .

FR just has a lot of "oh my God look what Dashcle/DNC/Jesse Jackson/Al Jazeera/etc is saying!!!" posts.
23 posted on 03/30/2003 2:05:46 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: mc10
press + prostitute = presstitute
24 posted on 03/30/2003 2:09:57 AM PST by Duke of Milan
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To: Duke of Milan
We are witnessing the Biggest Ass-Kicking in history
25 posted on 03/30/2003 2:12:40 AM PST by Spruce
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To: HAL9000
It's like the old Rolaids ads:

How do you spell bullcrap? R-E-U-T-E-R-S. ***belch!***

26 posted on 03/30/2003 2:13:40 AM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: HAL9000
If our ground troops are still in the same spot in 35 days, I'll eat leftover Fear Factor "food" on live national television.
27 posted on 03/30/2003 2:15:17 AM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: Russell Scott
Yahoo has a buttload of news sources. They'll run just about any source they can work out a deal with. It's just that Reuters consistently manages to be the only one to come up with these pink-sky "news" stories.

A better gauge of what's really going on is Google News, which is 100% computer-generated based roughly on the same algorhithm as the regular Google site, and is thus far more likely to bury uncorroborated crap like this.

28 posted on 03/30/2003 2:19:52 AM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: AntiJen
Just bankrupt idiots.
29 posted on 03/30/2003 2:32:36 AM PST by twntaipan (Defend American Liberty: Defeat a demoncRAT!)
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To: Malsua
Personally I don't think we'll be needing the 4th ID after the air power does their thing on the RG positions outside Baghdad...... but I guess we do have to make use of the equipment from those ships. *s*

Word from the inside sources from the pentagon is that Bagdhad will be taken from the inside out. Could be the regime implodes before we have a chance to go in there.

Well, we'll go in anyway, but to mop up and find all the WMDs.
30 posted on 03/30/2003 3:16:23 AM PST by bart99
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To: TheLooseThread
Read about OPLAN 1003 here.
OPLAN 1003 Major Theater War - East
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/oplan-1003.htm
31 posted on 03/30/2003 3:16:26 AM PST by ironman
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To: TheLooseThread
Good points.

Maybe we want to wait for the 4th ID to circle up around to the north so we can keep those unreliable Turks in their own country.

Or maybe set up a line of defense next to Iran somewhere.

~chuckling~

I think Franks knows well what he is doing.
32 posted on 03/30/2003 3:19:12 AM PST by bart99
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To: Duke of Milan
thanks....
33 posted on 03/30/2003 3:20:15 AM PST by mc10
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To: peeve23
"IT IS TIGHTENING THE NOOSE! CUTTING OFF RESUPPLY...CUTTING OFF HOPE!"




And continuing operations in the North..... and continuing bombing behing and on top of the RG divisions *s*
34 posted on 03/30/2003 3:21:39 AM PST by bart99
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To: HAL9000
get rueters the hell out of theater...same with CNN. They are dis-information artist and should be expelled.
35 posted on 03/30/2003 3:25:00 AM PST by sit-rep
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To: TheLooseThread
How can any non-moron say that either things are going bad or that the plan is not working?

I'm sure you already know the answer to your question - the liberal ones for whom a decisive US victory is the last thing in the world they want to see.

36 posted on 03/30/2003 3:50:49 AM PST by libertylover (Republican, because I care.)
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To: peeve23
It has accomplished it's initial objective of reaching the city. IT IS TIGHTENING THE NOOSE!

Quite right. But for NYT-type "journalists" this would require a story based on thought and analysis rather than their usual knee-jerk "let's-hate-the-US" reaction.

37 posted on 03/30/2003 3:57:07 AM PST by libertylover (Republican, because I care.)
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To: laz17
By the time the 4th ID is there the RG will be in a world of hurt...

I imagine they're already in a world of hurt but we're not seeing it. Actually, I'm glad we're not seeing this carnage because the mainstream media would portray us of being evil bullies in this very lopsided part of the war.

38 posted on 03/30/2003 4:03:04 AM PST by libertylover (Republican, because I care.)
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To: HAL9000
OK. Probably the right thing to do. Gulf War I began with 40 days and 40 nights of air strikes before the ground forces rolled. I think air strikes are what the US uses now in place of the good old artillery preparation.

Reinforce, resupply, and "tidy up" as Bernard L. Montgomery would say. Let the northern front develop, and see what happens in Basra. A pause might also give both sides time to think of way out this, if that's what they want to do. We'll see.

39 posted on 03/30/2003 4:21:39 AM PST by Spandau
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To: peeve23
Also add that we have secured the southern oil fields with only nine wells set afire (with some of those already being put out.). In a related policial master-stroke, the Oil for Food program was reinstated. What's so great about that you might ask? It defacto recognises that a political entity has control of these oil assets outside of the Iraqi government. In short, oil can be sold on the open market for supplies to feed the people taking some of the financial burden off us.

Now, nothing will be flowing out for quite a while but just the idea of this will send world oil prices down. If even just a trickle can start to flow, watch prices plummet on speculation it will become a flood.

Koffi Annan is happy because he sees it as an opening for the U.N. but the one who controls the well heads is actually driving this train. You have doubts? Bagdad bob, the Ba'ath sock-puppet, is not happy about this at all and he knows what a loss of sovernty this is.

A pause also allows us to secure fields in the north. These are less important because it will take longer to get them operational and oil flowing out of them as opposed to in the south.

Of course, this is probably the plan to begin with.

40 posted on 03/30/2003 4:52:52 AM PST by SodiumWarthog (Then again, Reuters could be right about all this... NOT!)
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To: SodiumWarthog
Exactly.

We over-ride their media and impose one run by opposition Iraqis. The interim authorities announce a resumption of oil sales. Life begins to go on.

All the while, Baghdad is surrounded.

41 posted on 03/30/2003 6:00:04 AM PST by peeve23
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To: HAL9000
U.S. Land Advance Could Pause for Weeks

True, and I could win the lottery and have the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders throw themelves at me in a frenzy of lust and unbridled passion.
42 posted on 03/30/2003 7:29:07 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Valin
True, and I could win the lottery and have the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders throw themelves at me in a frenzy of lust and unbridled passion.

If you have the cash, that can be arranged.

43 posted on 03/30/2003 8:44:01 AM PST by HAL9000
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To: Squantos
Talking heads have repeatedly asked their embedded presstitutes about the stand down or "pause" and it ain't happening based on their first hand observations ......

The embedded media personnel are now being referred to as "tics" ...

44 posted on 03/30/2003 8:49:27 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
LOL.....thats good !

Stay Safe !

45 posted on 03/30/2003 8:51:02 AM PST by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Malsua
Actually, this pause is exactly the way I would have done things. Circle baggeddead, clean up the rest of the country, and wait until the defense of baggeddead crumbles. Then clean the infection from the wound.

46 posted on 03/30/2003 8:58:44 AM PST by RWG
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To: RWG
The coalition strategy regarding Baghdad seems logical. We don't want to slug it out with fixed bayonets in hand-to-hand combat with the Republican Guard--no need to. We also don't want to amass a huge concentration of ground forces within range of chemical weapons. So, we bomb them to hell, each day and night. If the Guard moves against us, they become very visible, and vulnerable, as we bomb them to oblivion. If they retreat back to the city, we bomb them to oblivion. The Guard can continue sit where it is and be taken apart, bit by bit. The Guard is in a very tight--with no supply lines-- and deteriorating spot. No matter what they do, they are doomed.
47 posted on 03/30/2003 9:02:25 AM PST by Rudder (Advertising space available)
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To: Valin
"the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders throw themelves at me in a frenzy of lust and unbridled passion."

Unprotected flanks, followed by a deep thrust? I've lost track, what are we talking about here?

48 posted on 03/30/2003 10:14:42 AM PST by TheLooseThread
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To: Rudder
In virtually every discussion about this war there is always the warning about hand to hand in baggeddead. Why? I would not send troops into the city. Capturing and purging the entire country except for baggeddead would be my plan. In fact, I would even start the process of establishing a new government and broadcasting it over tv as soon as I could. Cleaned up southern and norther regions with plenty of photo ops showing self government of cities and new supplies of food and water would be broadcast every minute. I would have northern and southern interests start marking out their federal states and inviting the citizens of the central region to come and be a part of the new government as soon as they could.
49 posted on 03/30/2003 3:08:39 PM PST by RWG
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To: peeve23
It's called attriting the enemy. Not hard at all. That way they fall over, we walk in.

Doesn't someone have that 'Ah geeze guy' around. I think we are going to need him on most every post for a while.
50 posted on 03/30/2003 3:13:02 PM PST by snooker
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