Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[honway]

The American Heritage Dictionary describes the Talmud as ""constituting the basis of religious authority for traditional Judaism" and it is the most important religious work of the Jewish people, the chief canon of their religion.

Is this an accurate statement?

[TopQuark]

Firstly, get down from the throne, Your Highness: you are welcome to ask; place your "requests" to your spouse or congressman. As of today, I owe you nothing.

I do not have the specific page handy: as I said, make a tripe to the library. One of the books you can pick up is James Carrol's "Constantine's Sword:" he is a Christian, it'll be easier for you to swallow.

While at the library, check out another thing: the Church actually denied the the Earth was round. Giordano Bruno was burned at the stack in 1600, and it took almost two centuries for the church to admit thet it was "a mistake." THe church today is not what it alwaysd was; and the present-day Pope is far different than most.

So, cool down and seek the truth.

[DensaMensa]

}I could also pose that question to the Christian friends: is this the time to emphasize differences?

"In Jesus Name" is a STANDARD closure to any Christian prayer and has nothing to do with "emphasizing differences".

[yonif]

The Talmud is a document which spreads over many and many volumes. It can fill up a bookcase. It is the law of the Jewish people.

[JWinNC]

If a Christian is invited to pray (anywhere) then it should be expected that they would pray in Jesus' name.

Else, don't invite them.

The Reverend was not out of line.

JWinNC

[sauropod]

No one wants to exclude you, friend.

This whole thing in the Maryland state legislature is ALL about BIG Mike Miller showing his a**.

Most of the pontificators on this thread have no idea what Maryland politics is like.

Right up there with Boss Tweed and Mayor Daley.

[Jhoffa_]

As a Christian, I am REQUIRED to pray in the name of Jesus because He said to.

Absolutely.. What do you expect a Christian to say?

I guess they just wanted someone, anyone.. (even the janitor would do) to come in and give a feel good, multicultural "prayer" before they set about their business of raping the citizens of Maryland.

As you say, it's not going to help anyone involved and it's just perfuming a pig if you ask me. They have hands and mouths, let them pray themselves and do it correctly.

If it's so important to kick things off up there, then it's clearly worth doing properly.

[ApesForEvolution]

Very well articulated. Thank you for posting this.

[TopQuark]

"In Jesus Name" is a STANDARD closure to any Christian prayer and has nothing to do with "emphasizing differences". Do you comprehend the meaning of the word "difference."

If you are my guest, say, and I make a small toast, and say: "In the name of proletarians and communist of the wordl, let's drink to the future" --- you would be appalled. You would say, "Don't take me in your company; believe in whatever you want but don't take me in your company." I would reply, "That is the standard toast at communist meetings and has nothing to do with differences."

You would call my argument stupid. And you would be right.

[Deb]

So you believe that these two state Senators were really "offended" hearing the name of Jesus?

You believe that a Christian minister praying "in Jesus' name" is intolerant and out of place?

Should Christians be forced to call themselves Xians, so as not to offend non-Xians?

I guess everytime some ACLU-humping hag claims offense about the emotional damage caused by hearing the name Jesus said out-loud, the outrage is to be heaped on the speaker?

You can't possibly be serious. You can't possibly believe these women are anything but left-wing Democrats who react to any religious references like Superman to Kryptonite.

In the history of Maryland, how many times do you suppose state officials, Govenors and invocation-giving Christian ministers have said the name "Jesus" in the state Senate?

Any Christian who would back down from the name of Jesus because a couple of cheap, political hacks feigned offense...is too weak to preach the word of God. And despite the protestations of atheists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims and cross-dressers...this is a Christian nation. It was founded by Christians. It is populated by a vast Christian majority. And up until very recently Christian church services were held in the Capitol building.

[Pharmboy]

Sorry...in the Kabbala...many of the rites to start spells or break spells begin with "First: bury a chicken at the crossroads..."

There's some crazy stuff in that medieval cookbook...

[yonif]

So would it have been appropriate for the Christian who was invited to speak at the Columbia memorial to speak of Jesus, even though Ilan Ramon was a Jewish member of the crew. Would it make more sense to make a prayer that both Jews and Christians can accept?

I am just looking at whether it was appropriate for that place.

[honway]

As of today, I owe you nothing

You owe me nothing. You owe Catholics everywhere an easily found source on the internet to such an outrageous and bigoted claim. Will you answer the question about the Talmud?

[ApesForEvolution]

Who said you have to accept a prayer?

[narses]

He is but another of the eunichs masquerading as men in America. Testosterone is a toxic substance in the minds of the left and the men of America have been desexed.

[TopQuark]

No. The "the chief canon" is the Torah (Bible). Talmud is a deep, comprehensive, well-accepted commentary of the Bible --- but it is still an opinion.

[sauropod]

Dude, you are missing what I am saying. When I say "This is a Christian nation" I am not saying throw away anything that Judaism has given our culture.

On the contrary. The Ten Commandments are very real to you and to me.

To me, the Jews were and are a Chosen People. The reason why America is great is because she is good and because she is good to the Jews.

You will not find a more emphatic supporter of Israel than yours truly on this forum.

I truly think you misunderstand what I am saying. 'Pod

[DoughtyOne]

You may be right on that. I was keying off an early post that said Jews refer to the Mesiah and the Christians refer to Jesus. Look if people want to refer to Budah, God, Jesus, the Mesiah, it doesn't bother me in this setting. It's not up to me to demand how they reference their God.

[yonif]

Who said you have to accept a prayer?

You don't, but that prayer was aimed at everyone, not just the Christians. That prayer was made to encompass the whole of the legislature. By referring to Jesus, you do not. It would have been better to say something that can apply to both the Jewish and Christian religions.