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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; christians; ecumenical; hypocrites; jews; liberals; maryland; silliness; watereddown
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To: HowBoutThemCowboys
This is shocking... Jesus is the Son of God King of Kings and Lord Of Lords.... Praise Jesus Holy Name, I always do...

Not to Jews.

41 posted on 04/03/2003 6:43:27 PM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: yonif
It's alright to through Mohammed in there, but not Jesus?

Personally, I think the two Jewish senators where wrong, just as I thought the senators who walked out on the Muslim prayer where wrong.

42 posted on 04/03/2003 6:43:38 PM PST by Blue Scourge (If a man hasn't found something he is willing to die for, he is not fit to live. - MLKjr.)
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To: Illbay
This man was asked to perform a service, not get in someone's face

The United States is a predominately Christian nation. How is mentionimg the name Jesus getting into anyone's face?

43 posted on 04/03/2003 6:43:47 PM PST by honway
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To: Illbay
Nothing chaps my hide more than someone trying to PUSH their beliefs on someone else when it isn't invited or appropriate.

Agree, 100%.

44 posted on 04/03/2003 6:44:22 PM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it's bold talk)
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To: Hoppean
Why should Christians feel compelled hide their faith for the sake of bending over backwards for 3 percent of the U.S. population?

That 3% also has faith in God...the very same God to whom Jesus prayed.

45 posted on 04/03/2003 6:44:33 PM PST by 1 spark
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To: Cato the Censor
I agree. An old testament reference would have been more suitable. This is a country founded on Judeo-Christain principles. Prayers made in a government setting should not offend either the Jewish or Christain religion.
46 posted on 04/03/2003 6:44:51 PM PST by yonif
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To: StockAyatollah
Maybe anti-semites are the problem behind anti-semetism in America.
48 posted on 04/03/2003 6:45:10 PM PST by ChicagoRepublican
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To: Bella_Bru
Just a question, but why couldn't the prayer just have included G-d? Jews and Christians both worship the G-d of Abraham, why wasn't that enough?

Because the Fundy Preachers were being petty and spoiling for a fight, just like the Jewish Senators.

SO9

49 posted on 04/03/2003 6:45:13 PM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: yonif
I disagree with the Jewish people there. They were intolerant.
50 posted on 04/03/2003 6:45:21 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: honway
So would you have a problem with a prayer that did not mention Jesus? Isn't G-d part of the Christian faith? Why couldn't the prayer just say G-d? Unless you are trying to proselytize, why would you need to include Jesus and not just stick with G-d? Would you be ok with a Hebrew prayer as well?
51 posted on 04/03/2003 6:45:47 PM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: Hoppean
Because your religion is not more important than any other religion under the eyes of the law.
52 posted on 04/03/2003 6:46:44 PM PST by ChicagoRepublican
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To: honway
How is mentionimg the name Jesus getting into anyone's face?

Especially because opening prayers are common in all legislative bodies, and such prayers reference that minister/rabbi/whoever's beliefs. A little respect for differing religious beliefs is what is called for, just as Christians should be respectful if a Moslem cleric is giving the prayer and refers to Allah.

53 posted on 04/03/2003 6:46:48 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: RJCogburn
I should remark further that I think there are occasions where it IS appropriate to declare one's faith. Giving an ecumenical prayer to begin a legislative session isn't one of them.
54 posted on 04/03/2003 6:47:36 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: RaceBannon
Ping.
55 posted on 04/03/2003 6:47:58 PM PST by yonif
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To: dennisw
I can appreciate her position on this, but Christians have rights too. Thanks for your research and comments.
56 posted on 04/03/2003 6:48:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: dennisw
Bingo! Welcome to the People's Republic of Maryland.
57 posted on 04/03/2003 6:48:13 PM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Illbay
Still agree, same percentage.
58 posted on 04/03/2003 6:48:19 PM PST by RJCogburn (Yes, it's bold talk)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Because the Fundy Preachers were being petty and spoiling for a fight, just like the Jewish Senators.

You've nailed it. We could do with fewer people getting their backs up over God.

60 posted on 04/03/2003 6:49:15 PM PST by sinkspur
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