Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway
Why isn't it their job to be the tolerant ones? Did they post or publish their tendancy to swoon at the mention of Jesus' name somewhere publically? And was their sensitive condition known to the good minister?
This is garbage.
They were neither harmed, offended or damaged in any way. They are cheap, left-wingers who are doing their bit to strip all mention of God, Christianity and religion from American life. Humoring these hags is not tolerance...it's capitulation. It's backing down ONCE AGAIN when religion is attacked.
The only element that protects these spiritual bulimics from the bigotry and anti-semitism that has covered the planet, is the Christian ethic that formed this country. If the non-religious Jewish Left is successful in removing Jesus Christ and his amazing love from American culture...there will be nothing and no one left to protect them. That's paraphrasing Dennis Prager, conservative Jew.
The responsibility for tolerance rested securely on the shoulders of the women.
I am still witing for an answer from either of you to my questions which neither of you seem able or inclined to answer. Maybe when you get along a little further.
So when the Christian prays he is to ignore his LORD Christ were He says "I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. " and "I tell you truth, My Father will give you whatever you ask in my name." Is the Christian also to ignore Paul when he says "And whatever you do whether in WORD or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." A Christian has a personal relationship with Christ his savior and when offering up prayer it is always in Jesus' name. God bridged the gulf that separates us from Him by sending His Son Jesus to die on the cross and pay the penalty for our sins.
How am I supposed to know,that was yesterday!!Oh,wait a minute,that "is" yesterday? Whatever,good-night and God bless you and yours.
WHICH God?
What is true is true whether or not you or i wish it so.
I cannot hear you because you are insisting on loud actions also. 'Pod
do the other religions deny the divinity of Christ?....yup
If the light of Christ isnt in them, what is?......darkness
God allows me to hate evil
Psalm 97:10 Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Proverbs 1:22 "How long will you simple ones [ 1:22 The Hebrew word rendered [ simple ] in Proverbs generally denotes one without moral direction and inclined to evil. ] love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?
Proverbs 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.
Amos 5:15 Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Perhaps the LORD God Almighty will have mercy on the remnant of Joseph.
Zechariah 8:17 do not plot evil against your neighbor, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this," declares the LORD .
Luke 6:22 Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you...
Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
clearly - a Christian can hate evil as long as they do not conspire against those who perpetrate it.
Id caution your inclusiveness of other faiths
Revelation 3:15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
Revelation 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
God bless!
I understand. Thanks for the clarification.
YOu are as good in denying reality as Democrats. That is your prrogative. But now you accused me of dishonesty, and I take offense at that.
You don't even practice civility, let alone Christianity.
I believe Israel and America are The Chosen People.
With all due respect, after spending on this thread several hours, I cannot contribut much more. But, perhaps, you could read #431 of mine.
You are right that if one progressed TOO FAR in the direction of inclusiveness, there is a danger of diluting the meaning of one's belief. I would not ever expect that from my Christian friends; in fact, I would earge them to remain steadfast in their beliefs ---- especially because of the PC climate and anti-Christian attacks from the elites.
The question is that of balance, and it is not unique to the religion. One's courage can become recklessness; patience turn into cowardice; assertiveness into egotism. What differentiates them is (i) the degree and (ii) circumstances.
Even within Christianity there are divisions and even within the same denomination there are regional differences. Does that mean Christians of, say, Greek Orthodox persuation and Catholics cannot find a single prayer on which they agree? If they do, the benefit is clear: friendship, unity, and more trust among people; most importantly, they both stand on the same side against the Leftist, atheistic crowd.
If they do find one prayer that, while not addressing the full deapth of belief for either side, does not offend either side -- does that mean they betray their heritage? Of course not.
In our country, chaplains (including the congressional one) and other clergy routinely find such unifying prayer. This minister did not. That is all I said.
Now, GIVEN that this happened, what should the reaction be. Without a doubt, not only I would not walk out as these senators did (I am also Jewish), I would note but overlook whatever words were disturbing. These senators did not act as Jews: they acted as atheis leftists --- who may be from Jewish families as an accident of birth but themselves are no longer Jews.
So, there are two sides to the story. On this thread, I immediately blamed the senators for not overlooking the transgresssion against the protocol. But I also qwuestioned the wisdom of the minister. It is at that point where all h-ll broke loose. As you can see from the post of Dense Messa, if she tolerates someone saying "hello" to her in a foreign language (shalom in Hebrew), then someone must be tolerant to join her in her prayers. Just one example of something that I find extreme and disturbing. In sum, I ask (do not say, but ask), "Can we find some common ground," and in response hear, "H-ll no, these are my beliefs; you want common ground ---come to my side."
Not all form of unity is a sellout to policital correctness, and I am sorry to see that many people fail to see that.
Thank you for your thoughtful post. Have a good Easter holiday, if I do not see you before then.
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