Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[yonif]

I don't think the use of Jesus is attacking anyone. I believe that it was not appropriate.

(I am Jewish, btw).

[yonif]

I don't think the use of Jesus is attacking anyone. I believe that it was not appropriate in that time being.

(I am Jewish, btw).

[FITZ]

defines ecumenical

I don't believe much in "ecumenicalism" for this reason. Who needs it? The US had different religion before that and "multiculturalism" became the vogue and people ended up getting along just fine.

[Illbay]

"Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God."

Arab Christians use the word "Allah" to mean God.

[muawiyah]

So, why couln't a Christian just give a prayer totally acceptable to everybody? Probably for the same reason you don't spell out God's name, eh!

If these politicians are going to invite in the preachers they are going to have to put up with what the preacher's say and pray, irrespective of their denomination (or other religiously significant differentiation).

Alternatively, one supposes all the invocation could be given by the various politicians on a rotating schedule. Or, maybe the Maryland House could just abandon invocations and prayer - it's about the smarmiest bunch of politicians in America anyway - way beyond God's, or Jesus' help.

Why anybody would wish to waste prayer on that bunch is beyond me.

[DoughtyOne]

Look, how would you like it if the Christian demanded the Jewish participants refrain from using the label Messiah? Ilbay, if we're going to respect other people's regligous views, they need to respect ours. This is a complete denial of the Christian faith. We pray to Jesus. They pray to the Messiah. I don't see a problem with that.

[sinkspur]

I wonder if they would have done the same thing if a Muslim cleric prayed to Allah?

I've never heard a Muslim cleric deliver a public prayer and refer to Allah; most of them refer to God.

They're more sensitive than this preacher was.

[Illbay]

Perhaps the invocations should be dropped entirely.

This is where it's leading.

[nothingnew]

...just as Christians should be respectful if a Moslem cleric is giving the prayer and refers to Allah.

Why?..."allah" is not my God...You're turning this around. Might as well have an opening prayer to "gaia".

FMCDH

[FITZ]

The nature of allah is very different than the nature of the God of Abraham. For one it takes a violent pedophile polygamist to bring one to allah. When you look at the life of Mohammed, you can clearly see he was no man of God.

[sauropod]

There are some things that supercede the "law."

Tell me friend, are you so sure of the "law" when it comes to things like Abortion? The Patriot Act?

[wcbtinman]

IIRC, in the Bible, instructions are for Christian prayers to be asked "in the name of Jesus Christ". Therefore it would be a matter of faith that any prayer would mention Jesus.

This nation was founded on Christian principles, not on Jewish ones. Seems to me that the Jews are the ones who are intolerant. Ever seen any Christians object because a Jewish prayer does not mention Jesus?

[DaGman]

Some people are just compelled to force their religious beliefs on others. Doing that has been know to cause wars over the many centuries.

[Rasputin_TheMadMonk]

"I wonder if they would have done the same thing if a Muslim cleric prayed to Allah? "

Not a chance, that wouldn't be tolerant of them. It's alright to attack Christians, but moslems are a protected species.

[dennisw]

America as a Christian-Judeo nation founded on Christian-Judeo priciples sounds about right to me.

[Illbay]

This is NOT a "Jewish faith debate." I suspect that the Jewish legislators who walked out probably aren't even religious.

It is a debate about propriety.

[LaraCroft]

Oh please... nice christian attitude. I call it 'rightousness' and it's not a pretty character flaw, nor is it likely to bend many people to your 'side'.

The Christians don't need to apologize for their beliefs, but they could deign not to shove it down the throat of people who don't believe the same.

Isn't this another form of bigotry, to look down upon Jews because of their beliefs? How much further is it from making someone wrong about that to making them wrong about everything?

[lizma]

I live in an area where there is a mix of Jews and Christians. Together, we listen to Hanukah songs. We listen to Christmas carols. We celebrate each other’s Holidays. Anyone "offended" by the way the other side respects God is just a bigot, as far as I’m concerned.

Mike Miller was local politics where I use to live. The term “major jerk and sleaze bag” describe him best.

[Servant of the Nine]

Without Christ, the prayer goes nowhere. Now, you can yell at me

Jesus is not part of the Trinity?
When you call upon any one of the three names do you not call upon the same single being?

So9

[FITZ]

Some people are just compelled to force their religious beliefs on others.

As long as no one is threatening to kill me, has me tied up and tortured to convert me, they aren't "forcing" their religion on me. A person so afraid they'll be converted, doesn't have much faith in their own belief.