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Will US fabricate WMD evidence?
Al Jazeera ^ | 9 Apr 03 | Cilina Nasser

Posted on 04/09/2003 9:07:11 AM PDT by SLB

With the US-led war to change the government of Iraq all but over there is still little sign of the weapons of mass destruction for which this campaign was fought.

Daily reports of suspected finds have all so far turned out to be false alarms and the distinct lack of success that the United States could resort to fabricating evidence.

“The United States is now embarrassed because it could not confirm the presence of WMD in Iraq,” said Dr. Hassan Krayyim, a professor of political science at the American University of Beirut.

“The concern lies in the possibility that the United States would present false evidence to prove that its decision to go to war was right,“ he said.

Dr. Imad Jadd, international relations specialist at the Egypt-based Al-Ahram Centre for Studies, agreed. “What will stop the United States from bringing chemical weapons from outside Iraq and moving them into the country to prove their longstanding claims?” he said.

US soldiers dig in after a ground attack siren was raised in the Kuwait desert last month, prompting troops to don protective suits

“They can do it because they are the authority now that is conducting the search.”

Jadd called on the United Nations to send delegations to Iraq to monitor any finds of suspected chemical agents. “International inspectors should be present in Iraq,” he said. “They are the ones who should announce any findings,” he said.

He cautioned against allowing US-led forces to move suspected material found in Iraq to outside the country for testing. “When this happens, it means that the evidence is lost,” Jadd said. “They should leave the material in its place.”

A US military official said on Tuesday more testing and analysis was required before determining whether substances found at sites in central Iraq were banned chemical weapons agents.

"Initial reports were 'yes, it could potentially be'," said Brigadier General Vincent Brooks.

"We do not know enough at this point to say it should be discounted or that we have found some weapons of mass destruction for use."

That contradicted an earlier remark on Tuesday by a US military source near the predominantly Shia city of Karbala in Iraq who said tests indicated the substances were not chemical weapons agents. "The latest tests turned out negative," the source said.

In another incident, the US military investigated on Tuesday the possibility of the presence of mustard gas near the central city of Najaf after five soldiers developed what they thought were blisters while on duty there. However, it turned out that they were suffering from heat exhaustion, not exposure to chemical agents.

Last week, an initial report that claimed several bottles found in western Iraq may have contained chemical weapons appeared to be a case of one bottle labelled as a nerve agent that had been invented in the 1940s.

During an earlier phase of the war, US military officials claimed that President Saddam Hussein would use chemical weapons against the invading forces as soon as they cross the “red line” around Baghdad.

Until now he hasn’t. “Even if (Saddam Hussein) had chemical weapons, it was not logical for him to use them in the heart of the Iraqi capital, because Iraqi soldiers and residents would have been affected,” said Krayyim.

He pointed out that the use of such weapons would only be significant if they harm the enemy and not one’s forces. “That’s why the US troops all removed their suits. They were confident that they wouldn't be attacked by chemical weapons,” he said referring to the Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) protective outerwear suits.

Shortly after US troops entered the Iraqi capital, they were ordered to take off their NBC suits. US troops wait in full NBC suits in Kuwait after a warning of a second scud missile attack from Iraq last month

Krayyim ruled out the possibility that Iraq would have used WMD even if it possesses such weapons. “Iraq does not have a political interest in that because the Iraqi government wants to quash the justification which the US used for waging its war,” he said.

In the meantime, US President George Bush has authorised the use of tear gas in Iraq, which could be a violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention that states that “each state party undertakes not to use riot control agents as a method of warfare.”

“It won’t be the first violation that the United States commits If it uses tear gas,” Krayyim said. “They have also used cluster bombs in the war on Iraq.”


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1 posted on 04/09/2003 9:07:11 AM PDT by SLB
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To: SLB
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2 posted on 04/09/2003 9:08:59 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caring Rational Alert Professional)
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To: SLB
wow this sounds just like the folks at DU
3 posted on 04/09/2003 9:10:20 AM PDT by smadurski
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You stole my comment, LOL.

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4 posted on 04/09/2003 9:10:49 AM PDT by Beck_isright (Oh the quagmire of it all....)
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5 posted on 04/09/2003 9:11:30 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: SLB
I would point out that according to at least one "Fox" Chemical warfare unit there has been such a find and we are awaiting confirmation. Plus there are chemical capable shells that are so labeled in another location likewise awaiting confirmation but nothing will convince the doubters.
6 posted on 04/09/2003 9:11:58 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: SLB
Is anyone remotely surprised that the anti-American crowd is resorting to this line? The burden of proof has to remain unattainable. What better way than disallowing all the evidence.
8 posted on 04/09/2003 9:13:47 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: SLB
No.
9 posted on 04/09/2003 9:14:57 AM PDT by geedee
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To: SLB
what about the chemicals that were dump in the river
10 posted on 04/09/2003 9:15:08 AM PDT by vigilante2
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To: SLB
Huh? We're doing exactly what they wanted.

MORE inspections. :-D
It could take months longer. :-D
11 posted on 04/09/2003 9:15:28 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: SLB
Will US fabricate WMD evidence?

No. But the news media has no problem fabricating stories.

13 posted on 04/09/2003 9:16:46 AM PDT by ResistorSister (God Bless America and our troops)
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To: SLB
Remember the two incidents at the beginning of the war (one of which was carried first by the christian on line magazine TWICE) where WMD were found and were simply waiting for confirmation tests to return? Ain't it odd that both just sorta drifted away? I believe at least one of them was confimed and kept secret.

If we had announced to the world that we had the "smokin' gun", Hussein's henchman would have had ABSOLUTELY NO reason not to use WMD. Further, I believe these two examples were not the only confirmed finds.

Before all is done, we will need several semi trailers to haul off all the WMD smokin' guns that we find. **Vigorous** interrogation of the scientists who developed this stuff has never been mentioned...at least to my knowledge! When we get thru with those bast**ds, we'll have enuf smokin guns to arm Iraks *new* army.
14 posted on 04/09/2003 9:16:59 AM PDT by mc10
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To: SLB
Regardless of the truth, people will believe what they want, especially with world-wide media and the internet. Everyone reports, everyone decides......whatever they want.
15 posted on 04/09/2003 9:20:29 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: SLB
If this dumb bitch missed her period by a day or two, does she go hyper because she thinks she is pregnant?

Be patient and watch the WMD flow!

16 posted on 04/09/2003 9:20:50 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: SLB
Obviously, this is their opening salvo to attempt to invalidate the discoveries that are sure to come now that free access to sites of WMD is a reality. But now FOX News is there. Manipulating the facts will be much more problematic. Here's to the news...fair and balanced!
17 posted on 04/09/2003 9:21:37 AM PDT by azjatojarhd1ea (will fight 4 peace)
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To: SLB
The inspectors couldn't find a clue in 12 years! Yet the troops did in a few weeks. Let's give them at least 12 weeks.
18 posted on 04/09/2003 9:21:42 AM PDT by the Deejay
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To: azjatojarhd1ea
you are so exactly right!
19 posted on 04/09/2003 9:23:36 AM PDT by mc10
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To: SLB
Al Jazzero forgot about the reminder they were sent the other day. Maybe they need reminded again.
20 posted on 04/09/2003 9:29:53 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: the Deejay
I think we have evidence that the Iraqis have chem weapons. I think the Bush administration is keeping info under wraps, because it gives clues where it could have been manufactured at. Until those locations are secured, we will remain mum. It also tempts the Democrat left to start screaming that Iraq does not have WMD and the war is a sham. Once their mantra reaches pitch level, the government will present the chem sites to the world. This is known as a political ambush.
21 posted on 04/09/2003 9:32:09 AM PDT by Fee
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To: stuartcr
Regardless of the truth, people will believe what they want, especially with world-wide media and the internet. Everyone reports, everyone decides......whatever they want.

Such is the way of life! Most people believe in their preconceptions with little regard for the facts
22 posted on 04/09/2003 9:32:40 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Flurry
Aholes. "Haven't found anything yet. Lets see we've been a little busy fighting eh? It's a country the size of California. What we'er looking for could be hiddern in a single warehouse, the bio stuff could be hidden in a storage locker. NOW we can REALLY look. If it's there we will find it.
23 posted on 04/09/2003 9:33:48 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: SLB
The question should be --" Will Al Jazeera fabricate the news of the fall of Baghdad?"
24 posted on 04/09/2003 9:36:48 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: SLB
Will US fabricate WMD evidence?

Mark Furman alert.

25 posted on 04/09/2003 9:38:05 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Fee
"I think we have evidence that the Iraqis have chem weapons."

I've been thinking this, too. And I've thought for quite some time, President Bush has known for a long time that Saddam & Co. were behind Sept. 11th. It was just the things he wasn't saying 'outright' that I picked up on. Oh yea, I'm sure President Bush has heaps of information. We're just seeing a sampling of it.

26 posted on 04/09/2003 9:41:12 AM PDT by the Deejay
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To: SLB
Will US fabricate WMD evidence?

OF course not. In the end, whatever the route, the Arabs will claim that it was Mossad that twisted the arms of our president.

And Buchanan already said so openly.

It does not matter what we say and what we do: they will explain away our best and villify us for our mistakes. You can't win against prejudice. All you can do is subjugate it.

27 posted on 04/09/2003 9:43:16 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: SLB
When I clicked on the headline -- "Will U.S. Fabricate WMD Evidence?" -- I mentally formed a multiple choice quiz.

What was the source of this headline:

a.) Al-Jazeera
b.) New York Times
c.) Democrat Underground

Personally, I was betting on b.).
28 posted on 04/09/2003 9:43:57 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; harpseal; Poohbah; sneakypete; logos; Fred Mertz
Looks like I stirred the pot a little. I can't believe what these rag head reporters will resort to.
29 posted on 04/09/2003 9:46:47 AM PDT by SLB
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To: Kozak
It will probably take longer than it took to take Bagdead. The WMD worriers will be declaring a quagmire. Care will have to be taken to keep the UN Infectors out.
30 posted on 04/09/2003 9:48:46 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Caring Rational Alert Professional)
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To: SLB
as hard as we try to present our honest intentions to the arab world, they will never accept it. the arabs will be the ones to continue to foment hatred towards not only israel and the u.s. but fellow arab nations that don't toe the line with them. eventually we will have to confront this in a major military way
31 posted on 04/09/2003 9:50:48 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: SLB
You did. Now how about some info on a dead Saddam? I'm really curious why the Iraqis in Baghdad and Dearborn, MI are so jubilant, if they're not sure he's a goner.
32 posted on 04/09/2003 10:05:34 AM PDT by katze
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To: SLB
This reminds me of the other tin-foil crap that floats around the internet in regards to the Gulf-War. One accusation/lie that made the rounds was that the US blew all of the oil fields to make Saddam seem worse than he really was. I suspect it was created by another arabist propagandist.
33 posted on 04/09/2003 10:09:07 AM PDT by Brett66
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To: SLB
Maybe Martha Stewart can whip one up out of yarn, old hubcaps, and model glue.
34 posted on 04/09/2003 10:24:48 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: SLB

35 posted on 04/09/2003 10:46:40 AM PDT by geedee
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To: SLB
Will US fabricate WMD evidence?

I certainly hope so. Making a chemical weapons attack on France & framing Al Qaeda for it would be even more fun.

36 posted on 04/09/2003 10:49:31 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: rj45mis
Yeah, and now we got facts coming out our ears!
37 posted on 04/09/2003 11:00:11 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: All; ALOHA RONNIE
God Bless the souls of all those
who suffered mutilation, torture and death
under the Hussein Regime.

May this day of Liberation
allow those who died in horror
to now rest in peace.

38 posted on 04/09/2003 12:17:59 PM PDT by Joy Angela
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To: harpseal
Uh, we actually saw footage on FoxNews of the Chemical Weapons site where the 55-gallon drums were labeled 'Insecticide' where they had been concealed in a trench, covered by camouflage netting, guarded by a detachment of Iraqi Republican Guards, all of which was IN A MILITARY BASE! Must be damned important and critical insecticide... and why were there BM-21 rockets with chemical delivery warheads nearby? Naw, must be a coincidence....
39 posted on 04/09/2003 12:43:44 PM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: SLB
There is an enormous lack of logic at the foundation of this article.

If the U.S. was at all likely to plant evidence such as that, it would have been easier and more effective to do so during the "inspections" just prior to Bush giving Saddam the 48 hour time limit. It would have diffused a great deal of the anti-war agitation, made it much more difficult for France/Germany to oppose us in the U.N. and also would have made it a little more difficult for the press to be so openly hostile if we did go to war.

Planting WMD evidence back then would only have required traces of anthrax, chemicals or incriminating ingredients to be sprinkled around some of the sites to be inspected.
40 posted on 04/09/2003 1:53:11 PM PDT by Tamzee (Peace only happens when good guys win...)
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To: Joy Angela
...and may GOD Bless forever...

...Tower 2 and Battle of IA DRANG-1965...

...Lifesaving Hero RICK RESCORLA...

...who died standin up to SADDAM & OSAMA...

...when HILLARY RODHAM & BILL CLINTON...

...never cared to.



41 posted on 04/09/2003 2:40:07 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com ..,)
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To: Paul Ross
News: Adam Housley of Fox news just had a breaking story that Kuwait television is reporting that a couple of Al Jazeera reporters were chased out of Basra by an angry mob upset over how Al Jazeera has been reporting on the region. The Kuwaitis let them in in order to rescue them.
42 posted on 04/09/2003 2:41:17 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: SLB
If the US wanted to lie about this ..why have some of these reports turned up negative? It seems like we would say everything we have seen so far is a WMD
43 posted on 04/09/2003 2:43:46 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Howlin
Ooops. Well, I guess we'll have to forgive the Kuwaitis for making a bad move... should have demanded to see proof that the crowd with the pitchforks behind them was really anything other than an understandably boisterous 'Welcome Wagon' for the esteemed journalists of Al Jazeera....and the only proof they should have accepted was from the UN Inspectors...who should be on scene in about 5 weeks...
44 posted on 04/09/2003 5:44:13 PM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: SLB
the weapons of mass destruction for which this campaign was fought.

Author might review the actual statements of the Administration rather than 2nd hand, 3rd hand media reports.

45 posted on 04/09/2003 5:47:31 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts)
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To: Paul Ross
Uh, we actually saw footage on FoxNews of the Chemical Weapons site where the 55-gallon drums were labeled 'Insecticide' where they had been concealed in a trench, covered by camouflage netting, guarded by a detachment of Iraqi Republican Guards, all of which was IN A MILITARY BASE! Must be damned important and critical insecticide... and why were there BM-21 rockets with chemical delivery warheads nearby?


WMDs, Nerve Agents, and Organophosphates (about those Iraqi "pesticides"...)
Gulflink.com / Kentucky Regional Poison Center

Posted on 04/07/2003 11:54 AM PDT by Sabertooth

Nerve agent (excerpt)

Nerve agents are organophosphate compounds. Nerve agents are normally divided into G-agents (fluorine- or cyanide-containing organophosphates) and V-agents (sulfur-containing organophosphates). The principal nerve agents are tabun (GA), sarin (GB), soman (GD), cyclosarin (GF), and VX

Nerve agents are all viscous liquids, not gases per se. However, the vapor pressures of the G-series nerve agents are sufficiently high for the vapors to be rapidly lethal. GB is so volatile that small droplets released from a shell exploding in the air may never reach the ground. This total volatilization means that GB is largely a vapor hazard. G-agents are potent inhibitors of the enzyme acetylcholinesterase, which is required for the function of many nerves and muscles. People poisoned by G-agents may display the following symptoms: difficulty breathing, drooling, excessive sweating, nausea, vomiting, cramps, twitching, jerking, staggering, headache, confusion, drowsiness, coma, and convulsions. The number and severity of the symptoms depend on the quantity and route of entry of the nerve agent into the body.

When a nerve agent is inhaled, a prominent symptom is the pinpointing of the pupils (miosis) and a dimness of vision. Nerve agents are cumulative poisons. Repeated exposure to low concentrations, if not too far apart, will produce symptoms.
Gulflink

Organophosphate Pesticides - Introduction (excerpt)

The organophosphates have replaced DDT as the leading pesticides because of their rapid breakdown into environmentally safe products. However, they have far more immediate toxicity than DDT and other related products.

There are more than 40 organophosphate pesticides on the market today and all can have acute and sub-acute toxicity. They are used in agriculture, homes, gardens, and in veterinary practice. They are all inhibitors of acetylcholinesterase (AChE) and cause similar symptoms. In 1999, more than 13,000 cases of organophosphate poisoning were reported to US poison centers, with more than 3000 cases seen in the emergency department (ED) and 83 fatalities.

Carbamate insecticides have a similar action of inhibition of acetylcholinesterase. However it is a temporary bond, usually lasting less than 12 hours. Additionally, the carbamates have less penetration across the blood-brain barrier than the organophosphates.
Kentucky Regional Poison Center


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46 posted on 04/09/2003 5:52:15 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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Thanks for the link!
47 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:04 AM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: Paul Ross
Thanks for the heads up!
48 posted on 04/10/2003 7:34:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SLB
“What will stop the United States from bringing chemical weapons from outside Iraq and moving them into the country to prove their longstanding claims?”

Witnesses. The existance will be verified by numerous sources in addition to physical presence. There will be a paper trail as well as witnesses.

49 posted on 04/10/2003 7:40:11 PM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: SLB
The concern lies in the possibility that the United States would present false evidence to prove that its decision to go to war was right

If we were going to plant evidence we would have already done so and "found" it with great fanfare.

50 posted on 04/10/2003 7:53:13 PM PDT by 6ppc
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