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Insight/Vanity: Iraq Victory Marks the Beginning of the End for Elitist Boomers
Self ^ | April 9, 2003 | Self

Posted on 04/10/2003 9:09:00 PM PDT by litany_of_lies

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To: litany_of_lies
Well, this baby boom president has seen fit, like that last baby boom president, to leave our borders wide open to an epic invasion from Mexico even though we know terrorists are trying any way they can to get into America and illegal immigration has turned our country upside down.

This baby boom president has decided that the lesson of 9/11 was not enough reason to change our policy of allowing tens of thousands of Muslim immigrants from terrorist harboring nations to come pouring in here every MONTH.

This baby boom president has decided, like the last baby boom president, that our immigration laws are irrelevant, because, well, campaign contributors that peddle in illegal labor says so.

This baby boom president instead of deporting Muslims that fit the profile of those that wish to do great harm to America has decided it is politically more expedient to greatly expand the police powers of the federal government to spy on and harass ALL Americans.

This baby boom president LOVES spending OUR Taxpayer money on everything under the sun including wasting 15 billion for Aids treatment for people in Africa that don't care a whit about the causes of their plague.

This baby boom president is not content with the damage NAFTA and other one-way trade deals have done to U.S. manufactures. No, he thinks that pushing a South American NAFTA deal is smart economic policy in the middle of a Manufacturing Depression.

From what I see, Bush has many of the same deleterious Baby Boomer traits himself.

And ya know, it's says something when we wildly applaud a president merely for doing the right thing about taking the fight to terrorists world wide but I guess it is understandable given the low mark his predecessor set.

And for the record I'm a baby boomer myself and I've always thought my generation is among the worst in America's history. No, it is the worst. Generation X can only do better.

21 posted on 04/10/2003 11:11:12 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Coyote
He's got a good take on the mindset of Elitist Boomer vs Silent Boomer. But I still think that the Elitist Boomers are merely dancing to the tune of another meme - a meme codified long ago and given expression in the utopianist fantasies of the 18th century French dreamers, of the communards of the 19th century - their failed colonies notwithstanding, of the blood and iron national socialists and communists of the early twentieth century, of the murderous Pan-Arabist socialists and Islamic jihadists of the late twentirth and early twenty-first centuries.

It's the meme of the immanent eschaton that I've lately come to get a glimmer of understanding through my reading of Voegelin. That meme has been the headwaters of every self-annointed god and monster, saint and devil who thought that they could remake Man in their image - no matter the purpose. Gramsci acted under its influence, although I'm sure that he wasn't conscious of it. Hegel, Schopenhauer, Bergson - same deal. It's the wellspring of the seemingly irrational hatred that those of us who aren't drunk on its possibilites can't seem to fathom.

There's a lot more to be said on this subject, but it's late and I'm far from qualified to speak more knowledgeably on this right now. More study needed, but I think I'm on to something.
22 posted on 04/10/2003 11:16:13 PM PDT by Noumenon (You can evade reality, but you cannot evade the consequences of evading reality - Ayn Rand)
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To: Noumenon
It's the wellspring of the seemingly irrational hatred that those of us who aren't drunk on its possibilites can't seem to fathom.

Exactly right. This sort of utopianism is a secular religion. And like many "true believers", they cannot tolerate having their beliefs challenged. Unfortunately, the things they believe "on faith" do not correspond with reality. Only arrogance and blind faith keep them trying it over and over again.

I'd appreciate your keeping me posted as you develop your thoughts on this subject.

23 posted on 04/10/2003 11:28:59 PM PDT by malakhi (fundamentalist unitarian)
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To: WRhine
I'll be the first to admit that immigration is a huge issue, that W hasn't addressed it, and that he doesn't appreciate the scope of the problem. It is by far his biggest weakness.

There have been stories (one was posted here) of Iraqis caught in Texas whose mission was to try to assassinate W at his ranch (admittedly a pretty crazy plan, but no one said they were are geniuses). There have also been stories that more Iraqis and terrorists are coming over the Mexican border.

I can only hope that this news, along with the clear lack of support from Vicente Fox for Op IF, shake W out of his complacency on the issue. I'm not optimistic on this one. We may have to wait for Gen X and Gen Y to save out bacon on this one too.

On spending, I think W determined that he couldn't fight the spending battles and the war on terror at the same time. Although that war is far from over, he should be able to spend the political capital he has built up to get control of spending. We'll have to see if he has the will.

I'm not happy with the 15 bil spent on AIDS either, unless WE totally control how the money is spent, and the money is spent on the right things.

As to civil liberties, I think privacy disappeared in the mid-90s and isn't coming back anytime soon. I also think Ashcroft and the FBI are doing a lot of things behind the scenes to specifically target potential terrorists that we never hear about. It's almost a miracle that there have been no more significant domestic terrorist acts since 09-11-01.

I disagree with you on NAFTA. If it was so bad, why did unemployment drop to 30-40 year lows in the mid-late 90s? If we controlled the borders, Vicente Fox wouldn't be able to offload his awful economic problems onto us and would have to solve them internally. The economics of comparative advantage would then work how they should.

And yes, W is benfitting so greatly because of the inevitable comparisons to his predecessor.
24 posted on 04/10/2003 11:55:16 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
I'm a slightly older Generation X'er and couldn't agree more! Thanks for the insightful post. The Gen X and Y is more conservative than their predecessors and that is evident in many ways. The Republican party is increasingly popular with the 35-and-under group. Even the predictable minority bloc voting behavior is starting to show it's first cracks, especially among the young. This triad of events --- 9/11/01, the waging of a real war on terrorism, the soon to be won victory in Iraq --- has the elitist boomers routed and left out in the cold. Every day I see more and more signs that their grip on our culture is slipping.
25 posted on 04/11/2003 12:45:48 AM PDT by frosty snowman
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To: litany_of_lies
I can only hope that this news, along with the clear lack of support from Vicente Fox for Op IF, shake W out of his complacency on the issue. I'm not optimistic on this one. We may have to wait for Gen X and Gen Y to save out bacon on this one too.

Thanks for your reasoned response. For the most part I agree with you however, on the above, if it takes that long to address America's Immigration Crisis it will probably be too late to undo the damage. By that time, given the present massive flow of immigration (legal and illegal), America will no longer be a sovereign country and large regions of America's Southwest will be directly under the control of Mexico's thoroughly corrupt to the core government (some areas of CA are already there).

Also, in regards to associating NAFTA with the high employment rates during the 90s there is little doubt that the staggering technology and telecommunications boom (now bust) was by far the central factor there. This boom covered up a lot of economic problems including NAFTA.

Until George Bush starts addressing America's growing domestic problems I see little reason to be optimistic about America's future. And Time Is Running Out...Quick.

26 posted on 04/11/2003 12:29:17 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
Can't argue with you about time running out on the immigration issue.

Just to be clear: I am for NO limits on LEGAL immigration by non-criminal people who WANT to be citizens of the US and are willing from Day One to go through the process. I am TOTALLY against anyone who is here illegally being here at all. Anyone here illegally should be deported immediately, regardless of circumstances.
27 posted on 04/11/2003 1:52:12 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: litany_of_lies
Just to be clear: I am for NO limits on LEGAL immigration by non-criminal people who WANT to be citizens of the US and are willing from Day One to go through the process.

Sure, let's be an over-populated, chaotic version of China. Who needs all this open space and forests anyway. But why stop there? We might as well make everyone in the world a U.S. Citizen. And when they come pouring in by the millions every month to redeem their citizenship papers all the sharp folks over at the INS have to do is ask them if they are a criminal...as if it would make a difference anyway.

I'm not sure how such a reckless idea could possibly ever get planted in an otherwise sound conservative mind but you should at least consider this: The Communists Rulers of the PRC (along with every enemy of America) absolutely LOVE your ideas on immigration. I mean why wage a bloody war against America, one they would surely lose, when they could flood our shores on the cheap with hundreds of millions of their agents "wanting to be citizens" and take over our country by sheer numbers.

Want to see America vanish and re-appear as The United Nations of America?....just take off all limits on immigration--like you suggest.

28 posted on 04/11/2003 3:33:58 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
The list of people really willing to go through the process of citizenship, or alternatively to fake it for 5 years or so, is thankfully short.

I should have added that complete and total welfare reform (NO government handouts, PERIOD) is a prerequisite for my approach. So I'm probably dreaming anyway.

As long as immigrants are looked at as liabilites (I'm a CPA-can't help it)), as they have to be considered on balance in the current system, thanks to welflare and free health care, we need a cap, and maybe even a suspension. In my uptopia, people are looked at as assets who contribute more to the country than they take away. If that were so, we could and would handle and welcome more newcomers than currently enter legally and illegally. You have to acknowledge that pre 1960s immigrants were on balance a huge positive force, despite the misgivings of many WASPs (at least until the 1930s).
29 posted on 04/11/2003 7:31:16 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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