*The above referenced "puddle boy was cuffed"
. Did it really happen? Yes. Was it punishment to fit the crime? No. Did I lure you into this article with 12-year old being cuffed? Yes. But would you have read this artilce. Some would, others would might not have. But, much more comes into play here. Remember Hillary Clintons "it takes a village" concept, many feel reflects the communist view that a Orwellian Educational
society must be employed to form the views of students. Individualism is bad. Conforming to the group is good.
In an interview with Charlotte Iserbyt author of "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America", Are children deliberately 'dumbed down' in school? TalkNetDaily's, Geoff Metcalf, interviews the former U.S. education adviser.
Q: "If the government took all the money that is whizzed down that rat hole of the U.S. Department of Education -- and didn't give it to the states -- but somehow distributed it through block grants or something to the local schools, and put the local schools in competition ..."
A: "I think it's true, but you are always going to have the strings attached as long as you have the federal money coming in. That's why I would like to see us just abolish the U.S. Department of Education -- in which case, all the state departments of education are going to collapse because they get up to 80% of their operating budget from my old office.... then, we go back and restore the finest system the world has ever known. Now that to me would be even more devastating to the United Nations people -- the internationalists -- than getting out of the U.N. Because if the biggest country, the most important economic power in the world, the United States, all of a sudden decided to jump off board of the "School To Work" agenda, which is an international one, they are going to be in such trouble they will not know what to do."
The Subversion of Education in America: Lesson #1, Alan Caruba asks, "The President (Bush-Kennedy America 2000 Plan) has proposed a five billion-dollar program to help children learn to read. Please! Please, please, will someone explain to me why spending even more money will answer the question of why our schools, soaking up billions a year, are NOT teaching this already?"
Students may not know (verified by Jay Leno "on the street") where Brazil is on the map, but they "know" all the rain forests are disappearing. They dont know when the Civil War took place or why, but they "know" that all the Founding Fathers were slave-owners. They cannot tell you what the Bill of Rights is, but they "know" the US is the leading contributor of "greenhouse gases" to the atmosphere, thereby causing global warming.
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posted on 04/13/2003 3:26:10 PM PDT
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The Iraqis are gonna love us for exporting this crap...
Iraq will soon be a free society and the USA wont too bad we cant free ourselves...
posted on 04/13/2003 3:27:27 PM PDT
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*The above referenced "puddle boy was cuffed". Did it really happen? Yes.
Think how lucky the kid was not being a pet dog, then the brave cop might have shot him.
posted on 04/13/2003 3:30:51 PM PDT
I don't know where to begin. But our schools don't need more money; they need to be coerced into teaching. If they don't teach enough substantive and pertinent material, the States simply should disband the offending schools and send the children to a school of their choice that meets standards. In Pennsylvania, most "schools" have plenty of money, but teach nothing. I have students in a 400-level college science class who actually believe that 10 = 7. (They're failing miserably, and many appear to be cheating.)
posted on 04/13/2003 3:37:27 PM PDT
(Peace HAS COME AT LONG LAST to the tortured people of Iraq!)
One of those who bought into the "year-round" and "lifelong" schooling fads years ago is now Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-TN, a former secretary of education under the first President Bush.
Is the above story one of the reasons more and more parents in Florida are opting to homeschool their little savages?
You have a normal, disobedient boy and you cuff him and take him to the police station for jumping in a puddle? Parents are crazy to put up with that nonsense.
A friend of my brother's moved to Florida and took her daughter to the local public high school to check it out. The girl took one look at the cops patrolling the halls, the security cameras, and metal detector, said to no one in particular, "This place looks like a f??king jail," turned on her heel and walked out with her mother following her. She moved down there from my area where we don't have metal detectors, cameras, or cops patrolling the halls of our schools.
Her parents are now paying $20,000 a year in private school tuition.
posted on 04/13/2003 3:43:52 PM PDT
I have no trouble believing this. My son's school went Rumplestiltskin because he was throwing spitballs one day. Spitballs! They called me about this "heinous" charge, all hyperbolic and accusatory.
"So, did you tell him to stop" I countered.
Apparently they hadn't thought of that.
posted on 04/13/2003 3:54:43 PM PDT
(If you pray for rain, prepare to deal with some mud.)
To be fair to the schools, blame also lies with idiot parents who have taken away the schools ability to discipline. Ultimately, the rot of public education is also the rot of American parents.
To: fight_truth_decay; Jeff Head
Can you imagine what it was like when I took my .22 and shot Jack Rabbits outside of Boise, ID, when I was 12, or went Deer hunting when I was 16 in Peabody, Mass, had to go to NH for rifle season. The Horror a kid with a gun, aholes
posted on 04/13/2003 4:01:17 PM PDT
by Little Bill
(No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!)
Apparently "the annointed" are too compassionate to paddle this kid for misbehaving, but they are perfectly willing to absolutely terrrify him for a few hours.
Somehow I don't get why they think that is kinder.
posted on 04/13/2003 4:12:24 PM PDT
12-year old cuffed for puddle jumping
posted on 04/13/2003 4:28:20 PM PDT
by A. Pole
: "I think it's true, but you are always going to have the strings attached as long as you have the federal money coming in. That's why I would like to see us just abolish the U.S. Department of Education -- in which case, all the state departments of education are going to collapse because they get up to 80% of their operating budget from my old office.... then, we go back and restore the finest system the world has ever known. Now that to me would be even more devastating to the United Nations people -- the internationalists -- than getting out of the U.N. Because if the biggest country, the most important economic power in the world, the United States, all of a sudden decided to jump off board of the "School To Work" agenda, which is an international one, they are going to be in such trouble they will not know what to do."
A recent survey of public high schools students says that many of them do not like School-to-Work programs. They want academic programs -- not vocational, and they want higher academic standards.
This survey also stated that students and their parents know that they can get an education elsewhere, that they have choices. It no longer has to be the public school system -- they can get an education "through the air" -- via the internet.
Brick and mortar schools may be on their way out. Many states are now trying to attract home schooling students back to the public schools by offering on-line courses. Just give the public what it wants -- it seems that no one, parents or students, want STW programs.
Hillary, Marc, and Lamar Alexander might love STW programs, but the kids and their parents hate them.
posted on 04/13/2003 4:31:27 PM PDT
"He did his job," Martone said. "It's a fine line any officer in the schools walks."
And they wonder why many law abiding, upright individuals have nothing but contempt for them.
posted on 04/13/2003 4:31:40 PM PDT
(It's called "adoption" Perhaps you've heard of it?)
We should just ask the question of how many braindead socialists that are being created in these jails (schools just does not feel like the right name for these places anymore)? But also how many diehard, anti-state, anti-government anarchists these places are creating?
We should NOT just ask the question of how many braindead socialists that are being created in these jails (schools just does not feel like the right name for these places anymore)? But also how many diehard, anti-state, anti-government anarchists these places are creating?
To: fight_truth_decay; All
The public indoctrination (education) system is about control.
What do you get in return for your tax dollars?
How is it that people and society in general have prospered and increased their well being for decades yet the politicians and bureaucrats say we must have another 3,000 laws and regulations each year on top of the 100,000+ laws already on the books... That without them people and society face "disaster". People and society have done quite well without next year's 3,000 new federal laws and regulations. Why all of a sudden can people and society not continue to do quite well without them? The fact is, they'd be better off without 99% of them.
So who really benefits from 3,000 new laws and regulations each year? -- not to mention state laws and regulations. Politicians and bureaucrats. They create boogieman problems and with a complicit media towing their boogieman problems cast a net of false fear and unwarranted despair in people.
Quite literally, they create problems where none exist. They're sick in that they chose to frighten people and foist false despair on them and do that to collect their unearned paychecks. Their job security is predicated on deceiving as many people as possible.
It cost more than just one and a half trillion dollars a year to fund government abuse. That abuse hinders people's development, especially children being indoctrinated rather than educated, harms the economy and causes boom and bust cycles in markets.
Fully integrated honesty is key. That we have the government we have, that has gone so far off course from the government the founders created, is a product of irrationality and dishonesty. Changing the laws via the "system" is almost completely useless. Politicians create dozens of unconstitutional laws before even considering repealing just one unconstitutional law. That is not a system -- it's a quagmire of deception, irrationality, fraud and abuse.
Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How can so many people thinking they're right be so wrong?
Wake up! Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem.
Who are the producers?
Who are the parasites?
Praise the value producers --
Ostracizing the parasitical value destroyers.
posted on 04/13/2003 4:43:48 PM PDT
The point where schools started breaking down was when we stopped having schools being utterly accountable to the town political authority, as in "Problem in the school? The mayor better get somebody to fix it before election day"
These days, the schools obey the state Dept of Education, which is given orders by the Federal Dept of Ed, which is run by all sorts of touchy-feelie types.
Given a Principal with full and complete hire/fire/promote authority (something the teachers unions wouldn't stand for these days) and complete accountability for results (the kids can read, write, and do math, or we get another principal), would have things cleaning up real fast
posted on 04/13/2003 5:16:12 PM PDT
(Heavily armed, easily bored, and off my medication)
Just a question: There is no report in the wider press of this arresst.
The only report or mention of this is by Tom DeWees, poster and orignator of the article. If there is more documentation of this incident, please post it so we can verify.
FOLKS - WE WERE DUPPED!
THIS HAPPENED 4 YEARS AGO. HERE IS THE ARTICLE AND THE LINK:
Updated December 8, 1999, 10:25 a.m. ET
Fla. sixth-grader who stomped in puddle arrested
INVERNESS, Fla. (AP) There was no kid-glove treatment for a 12-year-old boy who stomped his feet in a puddle and sprayed classmates and a school official.
Deputy Tim Langer hauled Kyle Fredrikson off to jail Monday and charged the boy with disruption of an educational institution, a misdemeanor, for the incident.
His parents, Chuck and Brenda Fredrikson, are outraged. "The inmates had access to him. Can you imagine that for stomping in a mud puddle?" said his father.
Authorities say Kyle was walking back to class from lunch when Langer said the boy "purposely stomped in the water" after being told numerous times by school personnel to stay with the group and out of the rain.
At that point, Langer took the sixth-grader to a school office where the boy was cuffed, put in a patrol car and taken to jail. After about two hours in a holding room alone, the sixth-grader was released to the custody of his mother and grandmother.
Lt. James Martone, who oversees the school resource officer program, said Langer made a proper arrest. Inverness Middle School Principal Cindy Staten said she and sheriff's officials discussed the incident Tuesday but didn't elaborate.
Kyle's family say he has a hyperactive disorder and is in a class with similar children. Langer should have taken that into account before arresting him, they say.
Kyle was back in school Tuesday.
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