Expulsion of the Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina 1992-1995

Hans Koschnik ^ | August 1999

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Yes. How many times do I have to say "Serb propaganda" before it sinks in?"

Have you ever compared the data of Hans Koschnik (<- click), commissary of the German government for the return of the refugees in Bosnia with the date provided by Milivoje Ivanisevic (<- click)

Not - than compare it, and tell me more.

Karadjordje

[Unwavering Conservative]

Do you support Radical Islamic terrorism in the Balkans?

If you fought in Kosovo, then you supported it knowingly or unknowingly.

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Yes. How many times do I have to say "Serb propaganda" before it sinks in?"

How about the statements of George Kenney, former State Department undersecretary (1992) in charge of the Yugoslav desk and of Lt Gen Satish Nambiar (Retd.), First Force Commander and Head of Mission of the United Nations Forces deployed in the former Yugoslavia (<- click).

Do you know how long it takes to become a general?

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"How about the population levels in those opstinas under the control of the racist Srpska entity?"

So why you don't show me:

Here is the list (<- click).

Karadjordje

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

I'm asking for the grids for those graves, boy! I will discredit your swarmy lies. You bring no proof, you are into name-calling, which by the way is, proof that you are on the defensive and losing your battle.

If I can, I will go that village where the Muslims decapitated the Serbian childrens head in front of UNPROFOR. The Selo is in Muslim-occupied zone at this time.

That stench is pig you smell, came directly from Constantinople, or Istanbul in modern day names.

If you are unable to come up with the grids, you were not there at the scene. The Vast MAJORITY of IFOR soldiers have and maintained their own log book. You claim to be JAG(Former), then you will definately have that log book and topo maps. Break it out, or you dont have one?

You are phony, bulletboy.

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

A Quibler, ehh? You do not have the grids as I am positive you are not who you claim to be. You are phony, bullet boy?

[wgeorge2001]

Islam is not a religion nor a political movement; it is a secular human movement which exists for the killing of Jewish and Christian believers and will enslave all non-muslims.
They have much in common with the secular humanistic liberal agenda of America's political left. The non muslim democrats are an ally of theirs.

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

I'm fair and balanced, and your history on here dictates you as a phony. You claim to be a JAG, but your diatribes you spew discredit the notion of being highly educated and or accredited from a Law School.

I understand, Tirane Law School has open enrollment, is that where you have your (f)Law Degree from?

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

Hey- what happened to those posts? Balkansvets were deleted, how come?

[Karadjordje]

PiP PiP Cherrio wrote:
"Hey- what happened to those posts? Balkansvets were deleted, how come?"

What did he write, has anyone this still in his cache?

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

homeagain balkansvet wrote:
"Serbs would like us to think that the Big Lie technique still works. Scream the same BS endlessly, and people begin to think that it's true. Nice try."

Big Lie I:
The Big Lie About Kosovo by Richard Poe - a New-York-Times bestselling author and cyberjournalist. His latest book is The New Underground: How Conservatives Conquered the Internet. His previous book is The Seven Myths of Gun Control. (<- click)

Bug Lie II:
The Big Lie -- NATO's Campaign of Deception in Kosovo by US Rep. Ron Paul, MD Member of US Congress (<- click)

And read this:
Pre-1989 Albanian Rule in Kosovo -- Discriminated Against ALL non-Albanian Minorities by Dr. Stephen K. Stoan, Ph.D. History, Duke University, 1970 Director of Library and Information Services, Drury College Springfield MO 65802 (<- click)

Karadjordje

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

Don't know and don't care- it looks like he is either gone for good or suspended.

Idiots need'nt be foaming at the mouth with vile anti-Serbian diatribes anyways, not when you are unable to back up those words they have chosen.

[Karadjordje]

PiP PiP Cherrio wrote:
"kara- do not forget the muslim-run SILO concentration camp the Muslims denied existed."

Hello PiP PiP Cherrio, another one, KZ Celebici, Bosnia:

AFP, October 09, 2001

"War Crimes Tribunal Sentences Bosnian Muslim Camp Commanders

THE HAGUE, Oct 9, 2001 (AFP)

The UN war crimes tribunal was scheduled Tuesday to pass sentence on two Bosnian Muslims and a Croat found guilty of crimes against Serb prisoners in a detention camp in the Bosnian town of Celebici.

Hazim Delic, 37, and Esad Landzo, 28, were the first Muslims to be convicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) for murder, torture and sexual assault committed in a detention camp for Serbs set up by Muslims and Croats in Bosnia in 1992.

All three had previously been convicted by the ICTY in 1998. Delic, Landzo and their Croat co-accused Zdravko Mucic, 37, received to 20, 15 and seven years imprisonment respectively.

The ICTY appeals chamber partly confirmed the guilty verdict against the three last Febuary, but could not fix new sentences because of unresolved legal issues.

The defendants were originally found guilty on two charges -- violation of the laws and customs of war and violations of the 1949 Geneva convention on the wartime treatment of civilians-- for one specific incident.

The appeals chamber ruled that was unjust and referred the case back to a lower court for sentencing. Tuesday´s sentence can be appealed again.

The prosecution has asked for the sentences of 20 and 15 years for Delic and Landzo to be upheld and wants that on Mucic to be raised to 10 years to take into account his role as camp commander responsible for the acts of his subordinates.

For years the Celebici suspects were the only Muslim detainees in the ICTY jail.

This year Delic and Landzo were joined by four high-ranking Bosnian Muslim generals, including the wartime commander of the Muslim-led Bosnian government army, Sefer Halilovic."

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

Just compare the text of Milivoje Ivanisevic (<- click) with the one of AFP regarding Celebici:

"Camps played an important role in such deportation of the Serbs. Even though there were a few hundred prisoners’ camps in the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina controlled by the Muslims and the Croats, nevertheless, when taking into account the size of the territory and the number of Serbian population, Herzegovina was the one with the highest concentration of camps. In their practice the Croats have applied their fascist experience from the World War II. Even though all data have not yet been properly processed, and at some places even not collected and assorted, the estimates say that at lest 10.000 Serbs stayed in the camps. Their hardships inflicted by the regimes by which the camps were managed, various forms of torture and maltreatment, poor nourishment, lack of medicines and treatment by camp staff did not differ from the fate and position of prisoners in the concentration camps of Hitler’s Germany or Pavelic’ Independent State of Croatia. Lynch, all forms of humiliation and killing prisoners were ordinary every day routine. Let us remind that in the period 1992-1996 in this territory there were notorious prisoners’ camps: Dretelj, Rodoc, Musala and Celebici and that apart from few hundred other criminals it was already mentioned Zejnil Delalic, with his assistants, who was at best in his criminal affinity. Zejnil Delalic was a coordinator of the Muslim actions and a trustee of Alija Izetbegovic in charge of one part of this territory."

Milivoje Ivanisevic -- EXPULSION OF THE SERBS FROM BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA 1992-1995 (<- click)

Karadjordje

[Karadjordje]

I have to say again, don't worry, all well documented.

Report G1: R E P O R T SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION OF EXPERTS ESTABLISHED PURSUANT TO SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 780, 1992 (<- click)

Report G2: R E P O R T SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION OF EXPERTS ESTABLISHED PURSUANT TO SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 780, 1993 (<- click)

Report G3: LETTER FROM THE CHARGE D'AFFAIRES A.I. OF THE PERMANENT MISSION OF YUGOSLAVIA TO THE UNITED NATIONS ADDRESSED TO THE SECRETARY-GENERAL, 1994 (<- click)

Report G4: FOURTH REPORT OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA ON CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST HUMANITY AND INTERNATIONAL LAW IN THE TERRITORY OF THE FORMER SFR OF YUGOSLAVIA, 1994 (<- click)

Report G5: FIFTH REPORT OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA ON WAR CRIMES COMMITTED IN THE TERITORY OF THE FORMER SFRY, 1995 (<- click)

Report G6: SIXTH REPORT OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA ON WAR CRIMES COMMITTED IN THE TERRITORY OF THE FORMER SFRY, 1995 (<- click)

Report P1: SERBIAN WOMEN AS VICTIMS OF WAR (Sanda Raskovic, MD, Ph.D. ) (<- click)

Report P2: DECAPITATION AS A MEANS OF GENOCIDE OVER THE SERBS IN THE FORMER BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA (Committee for the Collection of Data on Crimes Committed against Humanity and International Law) August 23,1995 (<- click)

Report P3: MEMORANDUM: On Ethnical Cleansing of and Genocide against the Serb People of Croatia and Krajina, September 1995 (<- click)

Report P4: Report of Bishop Lukijan of Slavonia (Bishop Lukijan of Slavonia ) May 1995 (<- click)

Report P5: TORTURE IN THE CAMPS FOR SERBS IN THE FORMER BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA- FORENSIC MEDICAL AND PSYCHIATRIC ASPECTS (Committee for the Collection of Data on Crimes Committed against Humanity and International Law )Belgrade; March 15, 1995 (<- click)

Source (remark for homeagain balkansvet) : http://www.balkan-archive.org.yu

Karadjordje

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

But, these are "Serbian" sources, they mean "nothing". However, when speaking with the former UNPROFOR Commanders, all/ALL have stated that when the Serb reports their own victimhood, the Serbs have been truthful. Unlike the Muslims, whom lie and kill their own people in attempts to make the Serb look like a bad guy.

[PiP PiP Cherrio]

Do not forget, there is an interactive online interview with PiP-03 and a Serbian-American Newspaper 24 April 2000hrs or 08.00pm EST go to