Posted on 04/30/2003 5:45:41 AM PDT by CFW
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:09:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
You're evading the question: how do you KNOW?
How many laws have you actually read?
I have read sections of the NY penal code - it's downright scary how easy it is for the average "law abiding" citizen to commit crimes (including felonies) without knowing.
For example, the freedom of speech dooes not give us the right to cry "fire" in a crowded theater, to make jokes about bombs on aircraft, to make fraudulent statements in the pursuit of profit, etc."
That is correct, we have no "freedom of speech rights" on private property and yes there are civil punishments for fraudulent statements.
But, your government cannot deny or restrict your "freedom of speech rights" on such same property.
It is stated umambiguously, absolutely, and with complete clarity:
"Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech,"
Since the 14th amendment establishes jurisdiction of the constitution within the boundaries of a state, "Congress" becomes all government entities.
As I like to say to the gun control freaks, "what part of NO do you not understand?"
It is the owner of the theatre and the owner of the airline that can have you physically removed from their property or denied entrance and ultimately, sued for the damages that you cause by acting irresponsibly against the wishes of the owner.
It is part of the socialist/communist fraud that has undermined the presumption of liberty established by our founding fathers, that government control and regulation has been so easily implemented by corrupt judges and politicans who bark out phrases such as "compelling state interest" and "for public safety" to appeal to those citizens not courages enought to live in a free society.
A very good point.
And since this denial of a right is a "constitutional amendment," not an act from Congress, the denial of this ONE right is constitutional.
Denial of all other rights by an act of Congress, is then, not constitutional.
No. A person can lose his gun rights even his he only received a slap on the wrist for his crime. All that matters is that the crime be punishable by more than a year in jail. Punishable, not punished.
No. A person can lose his gun rights even his if he only received a slap on the wrist for his crime. All that matters is that the crime be punishable by more than a year in jail. Punishable, not punished.
Just like every other right, including even our most basic freedoms, this right can be taken away as a punishment for crime, as long as it is by due process of law and the punishment is not considered cruel and unusual by the courts. This idea is very solidly grounded in English commonlaw and our own traditions.
No argument, but not one of them is constitutionally defensible. Look up the word infringe, and then apply it.
There is a strong tradition in law that the punishment must fit the crime. That tradition has it's roots in the laws of ancient Israel (read Leviticus?). Gun prohibition cannot be logically defended for non-violent actions.
Most importantly, if the government can take one gun from one individual, then they can take all guns from all persons. It's only logical. That is why the founders prohibited all gun laws, not to protect the rights of criminals; violent people can be kept in prison for life in a functional republic.
"That will be next, right after they do away with juries."
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IMO, the sad thing is...for all intents and purposes the trial lawyers have basically already done that. I generally think that...juries are massaged, manipulated, and prefabricated...in the so-called jury selection process. Not in order to get a decent, fair, prudent...result. But to get the most malleable morons they can find.
BWDIK?
FRegards,
Pretty dumb thing to say. If the government can put one person in prison, can it put all people there?
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