Posted on 04/30/2003 11:03:05 AM PDT by Remedy
Public Schools don't have an "agenda"? What education environment? Public schools are failing our kids. My son goes to a private Christian School, because the schools here in Santa Ana, CA DO have an agenda. Christianity is not a disease, you can't catch it by looking at a cross. Do you really believe that by seeing a symbol, you will lose all self control and believe in that symbol or start smoking pot if you see a pot leaf?
No. But allowing one set of symbols means you've got to be ready to allow any other symbol that comes down the pike.
It's all the extraneous stuff that has crept into the public school curriculum and its ancillaries that has devalued education.
Focus on education. Period.
If you're comfortable with satanic symbols in a school classroom, then at least you're consistent.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I guess its only valid to make no laws respecting a religon but not to keep people from freely excersising their own... No dobut a Manson T-shirt is allowed...
Was my statement Salvation, not Remedy's... So I'm not sure if you were pro or con on it.. If Remedy wants credit that is fine with me.. And I'm not sure if your saying my position is not supported by the constitution or the School Board Policy is not..
This is from the jackass who married Hanoi Jane.
First we have some British crackpot calling Tony Blair a "secret Jesus lover", and now this. I don't prefer to wear tin foil too often, but articles like these make me wonder what's really going on these days. The mindset of most of the Middle East is crystal clear, now we need to pay close, careful attention to the rest of the world.
Isn't it a crying shame that most true followers of Christ are peace loving human beings?
If you're comfortable with satanic symbols in a school classroom, then at least you're consistent.
The statement of a moral MORON!
GOV : The Faith of the Founding
The dependence of the republic upon the concepts and habits inculcated by Jewish and Christian religions proved to be too conspicuous to ignore. As Presidents, for example, both Jefferson and Madison expended considerable effort to show their personal support for religious worship and to nurture religious activities. The actual practice of the early republic exhibited many accommodations between the state and religious citizens in multiple warm and friendly ways that sharply distinguished the American way from the rigorous hostility Maritain had known in France. While the American Republic had no established church, the American state took a positive and benign attitude toward the full, free, and quite visibly public exercise of religion, not least at major state functions and national celebrations. Moreover, the religion shown in such public exercises was not just "religion in general," but quite distinctively Protestant Christianity, albeit, typically, in a fairly nondenominational form. And this public choice was not a matter of mere reflex, without argument on its behalf. Public figures and public documents widely asserted that this particular stream of religion was of decisive importance in the history of liberty, and indispensable to its survival.
Ahem. I'm just a few clicks south of Indiana, and I can assure you that if it were not for the liberal poulation centers in the southeast and southwest corners of this fine state, Rendell would NOT be Gov.
I propose unilaterally granting Philly to New Jersey (we gave them the choice once, but instead they chose all the toxic waste dumps) and holding a new election for PA Governor.
That being said, this whole thing is simply a case of a typical educrat anti-Christian bigot overstepping the bounds of common sense.
Nothing of this sort has ever happened in this region. The offending educrat needs to be spanked, and hard!
Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments. (Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)
[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters. Source: Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787.
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?
And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? (Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)
Benjamin Franklin was bopping young girls when he was writing about "moral corruption," and you're using him as a source?
Can you comment on the constitutionality (is that a word?) of this PA law, regarding First Amendment rights?:
Religious Insignia
Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
(Title 24) EDUCATION
PUBLIC SCHOOL CODE OF 1949
Article XI. PROFESSIONAL EMPLOYES
§ 11-1112. Religious garb, insignia, etc., prohibited; penalty.
(a) That no teacher in any public school shall wear in said school or while engaged in the performance of his duty as such teacher any dress, mark, emblem or insignia indicating the fact that such teacher is a member or adherent of any religious order, sect or denomination.
(b) Any teacher employed in any of the public schools of this Commonwealth, who violates the provisions of this section, shall be suspended from employment in such school for the term of one year, and in case of a second offense by the same teacher he shall be permanently disqualified from teaching in said school. Any public school director who after notice of any such violation fails to comply with the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction of the first offense, shall be sentenced to pay a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100), and on conviction of a second offense, the offending school director shall be sentenced to pay a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100) and shall be deprived of his office as a public school director. A person thus twice convicted shall not be eligible to appointment or election as a director of any public school in this Commonwealth within a period of five (5) years from the date of his second conviction.
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