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Teacher's Aide Given One-Year Suspension for Wearing Cross
AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Jim Brown and Pat Centner

Posted on 04/30/2003 11:03:05 AM PDT by Remedy

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To: sinkspur
What a pathetic reply, Sink. Why do you have to be such an unmitigated a$$ on issues like these?
61 posted on 04/30/2003 1:00:15 PM PDT by Polycarp ("He who denies the existence of God, has some reason for wishing that God did not exist.")
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To: Polycarp
The state religion -- science -- party ... is Darwin -- atheism -- evolution --- only // total !
62 posted on 04/30/2003 1:00:22 PM PDT by f.Christian (( Equating science (( laws // logic )) with evolution (( flux // chance )) is the leap of a madman ))
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To: sinkspur
The dead will do for you.
63 posted on 04/30/2003 1:08:39 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: Polycarp

constitutionality (is that a word?) of this PA law, regarding First Amendment rights?:

Historical Documents:THE BILL OF RIGHTS

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

GOV : Congress, the Court, and the Constitution

1. Congress assumed that the Court is properly the enforcer of the First Amendment.

This is by now a very old error, and one so venerable that to speak in correction of it is to raise questions about one's sanity in most circles. So deep runs the popular myth that the Supreme Court is properly the final authority in enforcing virtually every provision of the Constitution that a digression is necessary here into the more general question of judicial review. As Professor Robert Clinton has shown, the judicial power to invalidate the actions of other branches of the national government was widely understood at the founding to be ''departmental'' or ''coordinate''—a power he calls ''functional review'' enabling the judiciary to pronounce authoritatively on the constitutionality of laws touching on the integrity of the courts' own functions, for instance where a case concerns jurisdictional issues, standards of evidence, or the provision of simple due process. This limited version of judicial review was all that was either exercised or claimed for the Court by John Marshall in the 1803 case of Marbury v. Madison.(see footnote 131) On the other hand, the legislative and executive branches have a like authority to have the ''last word'' on those constitutional questions bearing on the exercise of their own powers, arising from the provisions of the Constitution addressed to themselves. Thus, that same John Marshall, for instance, held that the reach of Congress's power over commerce among the states was to be controlled authoritatively not by the judiciary, but by the people through democratic processes: such are ''the restraints on which the people must often rely solely, in all representative governments.''(see footnote 132)

Now obviously, the terms of the First Amendment address themselves to the Congress and not to the judiciary, and in no way would an infringement of one of the rights therein have an adverse effect on the proper functioning of judicial processes. Moreover, if the First Amendment had been expected to be the subject of routine judicial enforcement, we would expect the subject to have come up frequently in the First Congress that debated and drafted the Bill of Rights. Yet, in his brilliant account of how the Bill of Rights came to be added to the Constitution, Professor Robert Goldwin manages to tell the whole story in complete detail without ever once mentioning that the subject of judicial enforcement of the Bill arose at all. The point of the Bill of Rights was not to trigger judicial review, but to weave a love of liberty into the American political culture. Here ''is how it works,'' Goldwin tells us in his recent book:

[T]o the extent that these principles of free government [in the Bill of Rights] have become a part of our ''national sentiment,'' they do, indeed, often enable us, the majority, to restrain ourselves, the majority, from oppressive actions. That is the import of the first five words of the Bill of Rights: ''Congress shall make no law'' that attempts to accomplish certain prohibited things. It means that even if a majority in Congress, representing a majority of us, the people, wants to make a law that the Constitution forbids it to make, we, all of us, superior to any majority, say it must not be done, because the Constitution is the will of all of us, not just a majority of us.(see footnote 133)

So as not to be misunderstood, I should add that certain provisions in the Bill of Rights do address themselves to the courts, and so are fit subjects for judicial review—obviously amendments five through seven, arguably four through eight—but the First Amendment is not one of them. It is only in this century, with the expansion of judicial authority in every direction, that we have come to think otherwise. And RFRA played right into that modern myth, insisting that a clause of the First Amendment be enforced by courts in a certain way when, at the very least, clear doubt exists that it was meant to be judicially enforced at all.

64 posted on 04/30/2003 1:13:22 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: Polycarp
Ahem, indeed. The majority of votes for governor here went to Fisher, not Rendell. We recently ousted a long-term democratic female representative and replaced her with a young Christian man who interned for Tom Ridge. The Senator from our district is a Republican as well. This is a conservative area.

The school district this woman was working in was one of the rural schools, I'm trying to find out which one.

65 posted on 04/30/2003 1:14:02 PM PDT by pubmom (Somebody who lives in Indiana, Pa, proud birthplace of Jimmy Stewart and opera great Renee Fleming.)
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To: Polycarp
What a pathetic reply, Sink. Why do you have to be such an unmitigated a$$ on issues like these?

I figured I'd be the unmitigated ass before you beat me to it. Next time, I'll ping you first so you can have the role.

Remedy is becoming the new "Uncle Bill" of Free Republic.

66 posted on 04/30/2003 1:16:13 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
The separation of state and church // religion means ...

freaks -- liberals -- athiests (( anti christs // devils // aclu )) -- weirdos -- cults (( esotericism )) -- nazis // borgs ---

NOT God (( Christians // Truth )) ! !
67 posted on 04/30/2003 1:17:44 PM PDT by f.Christian (( Equating science (( laws // logic )) with evolution (( flux // chance )) is the leap of a madman ))
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To: sinkspur
  1. ED : Administration Cites Recent Surveys Showing Lack Of Basic Knowledge Of U.S. History
  2. ED : Senate Panel Hears that Ignorance of U.S. History Poses Major Security Threat

68 posted on 04/30/2003 1:21:50 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: f.Christian
freaks -- liberals -- athiests (( anti christs // devils // aclu )) -- weirdos -- cults (( esotericism )) -- nazis // borgs ---

Did you write that with a straight face?

69 posted on 04/30/2003 1:23:05 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Remedy
They're not learning history because they're too busy arguing over who's wearing what.
70 posted on 04/30/2003 1:24:09 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
these nazis are fearless -- relentless ... w/o consciences -- souls !
71 posted on 04/30/2003 1:24:48 PM PDT by f.Christian (( Equating science (( laws // logic )) with evolution (( flux // chance )) is the leap of a madman ))
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To: sinkspur
There (( evolution // atheism // liberalism )) ... but for the grace (( love // Truth // FR )) of God --- go (( WAS )) I !



72 posted on 04/30/2003 1:43:38 PM PDT by f.Christian (( The separation of state and religion means ... freaks -- weirdos --- NOT God ! ))
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To: sinkspur
The separation of state and religion means ... freaks -- weirdos --- NOT God !
73 posted on 04/30/2003 1:44:30 PM PDT by f.Christian (( The separation of state and religion means ... freaks -- weirdos --- NOT God ! ))
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To: f.Christian
If you are going to engage in Christian apologetics, please use complete sentences and commonly accepted grammatical constructs for our English language.

Otherwise you run the risk of making other Christian apologists look like illiterates too, not good for our cause.

74 posted on 04/30/2003 1:45:23 PM PDT by Polycarp ("He who denies the existence of God, has some reason for wishing that God did not exist.")
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To: Polycarp
Did you get your a and r backwards ... I respect helpful advice more if it is done privately --- show off ? ?
75 posted on 04/30/2003 1:47:39 PM PDT by f.Christian (( The separation of state and religion means ... freaks -- weirdos --- NOT God ! ))
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To: sinkspur
Its a lot cheaper in the long run.
76 posted on 04/30/2003 1:51:12 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: sinkspur
Personally, I think male Jewish teachers should be forced to reattach the foreskin. After all, urination in a public school bathroom could be taken by some as the state establishing a religion.
77 posted on 04/30/2003 1:57:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: f.Christian
No, just tired of seeing your wacky posts, and the fact that they weigh negatively against other Christian efforts here because they look so nutty and illiterate.

If you're willing to undermine our Christian witness by such public wacky behavior, then expect to be reprimanded publicly too.

78 posted on 04/30/2003 1:58:51 PM PDT by Polycarp ("He who denies the existence of God, has some reason for wishing that God did not exist.")
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To: Polycarp
... well ...

--- if I ever hear ---

"well done my good and faithfull servant" ...

I won't care what other people say or think !

Otherwise I will aplogise in advance !
79 posted on 04/30/2003 2:03:10 PM PDT by f.Christian (( The separation of state and religion means ... freaks -- weirdos --- NOT God ! ))
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To: f.Christian
--- if I ever hear ---

"well done my good and faithfull servant" ...

Don't be surprised if you also hear:

("But what were you thinkin' postin' all those wacky posts! Good thing I'm patient and forgiving, especially since I sent others of my flock to ask you to cut it out...")

80 posted on 04/30/2003 2:11:07 PM PDT by Polycarp ("He who denies the existence of God, has some reason for wishing that God did not exist.")
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