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BUSH TO LAND ON CARRIER AT SEA
New York Post ^ | 5/01/03 | DEBORAH ORIN

Posted on 05/01/2003 1:03:07 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:13:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

May 1, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - President Bush today turns "Top Gun" and boards a warplane to fly out over the Pacific for a dramatic landing on the homeward-bound aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, where he'll declare that "major combat" in Iraq is over.


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1 posted on 05/01/2003 1:03:07 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: any1
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt
2 posted on 05/01/2003 2:18:36 AM PDT by mc10
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To: mc10
I don't know. I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to trap on the deck of a carrier.
3 posted on 05/01/2003 2:25:53 AM PDT by rabidralph (War is over--FR is back to pissing and bickering.)
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To: rabidralph
Tomorrow's NYT headline will be: Bush arrested on Navy carrier: used government plane for political purposes.
4 posted on 05/01/2003 2:32:19 AM PDT by Consort
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To: kattracks

S-3B Viking


5 posted on 05/01/2003 2:48:40 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: mc10
"a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt"

Not true.

A carefully calculated plan which will have the world glued to their collective TV screens and help insure GWB's re-election.

Perhaps this will make Kerrey, Sharpton , Pelosi, Daschel, Edwards, Lieberman, and democRats yet unborn take a ride on the space shuttle. Say, to Mars?

Bare up MC, and stay tuned.

6 posted on 05/01/2003 3:29:29 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: kattracks
At the press conference yesterday, Ari said something along the lines of "I hope he's nowhere near the controls", and then grinned sheepishly.
7 posted on 05/01/2003 3:47:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: G.Mason
This is great! I used to fly C-1A CODs (carrier on board deliver) for VRC 50 in WESTPAC. It is not all that dangerous and speaks well of our bold leader === W.

Today is the National Day of Prayer.... Let's all thank God
we have a rock solid leader in the White House ask God for continued revival in the USA.
8 posted on 05/01/2003 3:51:47 AM PDT by Broker
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To: kattracks
"But Bush won't formally declare the end of the war because under international law, that would require the coalition to free all Iraqi POWs and halt efforts to hunt down Saddam Hussein, his two sons and others in the Pentagon's deck of 55 wanted war-crimes suspects." ........ This explaines why the left wing press was so eager to get an "end of war" declared in all the pres conferences. It might, also, be connected with the conditions being set by france, et al., for ending the sanctions on Iraq.

9 posted on 05/01/2003 3:53:06 AM PDT by Highest Authority
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To: kattracks
"but it's not the first time a president has slept on an aircraft carrier - then-President Bill Clinton did that."

Yet another example of sloppy reporting:

From USS Kitty Hawk Public Affairs

On June 6, 1963 President John F. Kennedy embarked the ship, remaining aboard for one night. Schultz’s sailors accommodated the president’s request for an extra-stiff bed by cutting a piece of plywood to put beneath the mattress.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/profiles/oct2002/pr102402a.html

10 posted on 05/01/2003 3:55:16 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Consort
LOL! Perfect.
11 posted on 05/01/2003 3:56:07 AM PDT by rabidralph (War is over--FR is back to pissing and bickering.)
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

No - This a beautifully subtle show of trust and respect for our military.
12 posted on 05/01/2003 4:00:20 AM PDT by brewer1516
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

I respectfully disagree. Our CIC had several options for this important war-ending speech. The Oval Office, The Rose Garden, Baghdad, CENTCOM, and others. By definition, he would receive the same national and international publicity.

I think the choice of an aircraft carrier sends the dual message of thanking the troops for their courage while reminding other dictators that America remains ready to defend its national security interests anywhere, anytime. This hardly seems stupid.

It may be a bit dangerous, but I'd do it in a nanosecond if given the chance. Wouldn't you?

13 posted on 05/01/2003 4:12:16 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Chipata
I noticed they did not mention the loss of towels and bath robes from the last time.
14 posted on 05/01/2003 4:13:10 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Broker
I'm with you!
15 posted on 05/01/2003 4:18:21 AM PDT by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: Chipata
When Billy Clintooooon stayed on the carrier, the Commander in Chief referred to the carrier as a boat! Another data point on his knowledge and awareness of the military.
16 posted on 05/01/2003 4:40:50 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: mc10
Navy takes VIP's and news media on ride alongs. No big thang. They even let them do a bit of stick work when they're flying level.

Bush used to do duty scrambling his Texas Guard F-102 alone with his missiles when the Air Force detected UFO's back in the Cold War days, but he won't be at the controls when the plane comes in for a landing on the carrier. He flying skills may be rusty, but his judgment isn't.

They'll all be fine, and he'll have a grand time. Haven't been a lot of laughs in this Presidency since 9/11. I could use some joie de vivre myself, but I won't be buying it from the French.

17 posted on 05/01/2003 4:45:13 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: kattracks
I agree. This is dumb and vulgar. And what if the bloody plane crashes? Stay at the White House.
18 posted on 05/01/2003 4:45:54 AM PDT by ArcLight
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To: ArcLight
Sour grapes attitudes do not win converts.

Why is it vulgar?

19 posted on 05/01/2003 4:48:37 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: mc10
He's not going to land the plane. He's just going to fly it. Relax.
20 posted on 05/01/2003 4:49:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: patriciaruth
I could use some joie de vivre myself, but I won't be buying it from the French.

Excellent!

21 posted on 05/01/2003 4:53:14 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: rabidralph
I agree, I'd love to try this too. I've heard it makes the old heart rate go up quite a bit. Landing is more dangerous than being catapaulted off it isn't it?

I think it shows the guts of Pres. Bush.

22 posted on 05/01/2003 4:54:41 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: brewer1516
As CIC, Bush commands Naval Aviators to make carrier traps every day of the week. It is not unreasonable that he should bear some of the same risk. Besides, a carrier trap on an aircraft carrier in a Viking is probably safer than pre-flight inspection on a Delta Dagger, which Tom Wolfe famously described as a brick with fins.

Dangerous? Yes.
Publicity Stunt? I guess. I would call it a dramatic gesture.
Stupid? No way. This is what we pay the man for.

BTW, can you imagine being the Naval Aviator who drew this assignment? After being frowned on by fighter jocks for you whole career, now you get to fly Navy One!
23 posted on 05/01/2003 4:55:46 AM PDT by gridlock (If there were an extra seat on that plane, I would take it in a heartbeat!)
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

You are an idiot!

24 posted on 05/01/2003 5:03:43 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: gridlock
As CIC, Bush commands Naval Aviators to make carrier traps every day of the week. It is not unreasonable that he should bear some of the same risk.

I agree. This is a way for him to show respect to the men and women who do this daily. Short of coming under enemy fire, I can think of few more dangerous situations.

If it's a pubblicity stunt, it's aimed to impress the Armed Forces. That's OK by me.

25 posted on 05/01/2003 5:11:48 AM PDT by Textide
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

Nah, just Dubya's way of letting our military know that they're no longer loathed at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
And the fact that this President is going out to meet them at sea, instead of waiting for the carrier to moor, is a gesture of respect and admiration for those on board.

26 posted on 05/01/2003 5:14:47 AM PDT by jla
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To: Textide
I agree -and "Broker " said it all- COD aircraft deliver
"guests" all the time, the S3 I guess was picked because
it is a warplane.When I served (VF51) every cruise-
we lost an airplane - so there is some danger.

By the way, the use to entice lowly airmen to re-enlist
with a catapult shot and landing.
27 posted on 05/01/2003 5:55:46 AM PDT by mj1234
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To: kattracks
This is nothing. Barry Goldwater used to land his presidential campaign plane regularly with dozens on board.

28 posted on 05/01/2003 6:02:27 AM PDT by Gary Boldwater
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To: Chipata
And President Nixon spent the night on an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean in 1970.
29 posted on 05/01/2003 6:06:54 AM PDT by mwl1
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I don't see this as being all that dangerous, but it certainly is a publicity stunt. I thought we moved past publicity stunts when the clintoon was finally kicked out of office. :(
30 posted on 05/01/2003 6:09:15 AM PDT by pickemuphere
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To: leprechaun9
When I first met my husband to be, he was in the Navy, and mentioned his boat, often. He also mentioned submerging... I sheepishly asked if that meant he was serving onboard a submarine, and he answered in the affirmative. My excuse is that I was a young woman who had never had any contact with the USNavy... Clinton had no excuse for his same naivete.
31 posted on 05/01/2003 6:10:51 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: gridlock
Your mentioning the aviator's pride, when flying the CIC is very appropriate. I remember seeing footage of the National Guard aviators who escorted Airforce 1, on September 11th. They were not told the details about their mission, just informed that when they encountered what they were seeking, they would know it, and that they would be protecting "one of their own". I can imagine they felt the same sense of pride in their service to their President.
32 posted on 05/01/2003 6:14:24 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Probably more chance of getting hurt in the car on the way to work or around town, more chance of that than getting hurt landing on the deck of a carrier in a relatively safe plane.

Personally, I think it would have been cooler if President Bush came in on an F-18 Super Hornet fighter/bomber riding in the second seat. YEAH!!! Talk about balls then. Them sailors/Marines would be pumped for sure.

My COWBOY President - YESSSSS...Ride 'em cowboy

33 posted on 05/01/2003 6:15:57 AM PDT by el_texicano
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To: patriciaruth
It makes me think of when Bush threw the first pitch of the baseball game soon after 9/11 and everyone was so uneasy that he would be very exposed out there. I was uneasy too. I'm uneasy now. I understand what he's doing and if it goes well it'll be jolly good fun and all. But till he's safely landed I'll be digesting fingernails.
34 posted on 05/01/2003 6:18:50 AM PDT by Anamensis (Patience is a virtue, but it ain't one of mine.)
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

The Prez isn't a coward and he continues to prove it. He took the vaccination everyone was so afraid of because it was necessary for the troops to take it (Klinton enforced drugs on the troops that he would want to be in the same room with). Now, the Prez is doing what our Navy pilots do as a normal day-to-day thing. Risky - a little; a sign of class - YOU BETCHA

35 posted on 05/01/2003 6:25:47 AM PDT by trebb
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To: Anamensis; All
I keep seeing some here are bemoaning the "publicity stunt" flavor of this carrier landing. Yeah it's publicity, and damned good publicity I might add. This will send so many messages to people and for little risk, it's a touch of genius. So, poo on all your moaning and groaning.

As for the libs back here, I can hear Rush now commenting how they will be seething with pent up rage and hatred for President Bush and how he's got all this attention, and how he's stoking up the American pride, how he's showing the world he means what he says. I'm sure the libs will castigate Bush for this big time, but it will only show the world how petty they are.
36 posted on 05/01/2003 6:28:37 AM PDT by el_texicano
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

I couldn't have said it better...His security people have got to sound like Tommy Lasorda during one of his "This bleeping job ain't that bleeping easy!" tirades.

37 posted on 05/01/2003 6:29:21 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Bumperootus!)
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To: el_texicano
Well, I'm personally not bemoaning the publicity stunt flavor of it all, I'm bemoaning the danger factor. I like the guy. I want him to stay safe. That's all.
38 posted on 05/01/2003 6:32:14 AM PDT by Anamensis (Patience is a virtue, but it ain't one of mine.)
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To: G.Mason; HairOfTheDog
A carefully calculated plan which will have the world glued to their collective TV screens

Well, that would include me if I knew what time it was going to happen! Any idea?

I remember watching "Independence Day" when it first came out and thinking "We need a president like that!"

We came pretty close!

39 posted on 05/01/2003 6:33:12 AM PDT by 2Jedismom ('The commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time')
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
A general rule, you can put a boat on a ship, but you can't put a ship on a boat. The exception is a submarine. My understanding is that all submarines are cakked boats!
40 posted on 05/01/2003 6:33:25 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: 2Jedismom
I don't know what time! - Just put the TV on the news and leave it there today!
41 posted on 05/01/2003 6:36:39 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I'm happy at #9)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Just put the TV on the news and leave it there today!

Ugh...I don't have cable, so that's asking a lot!

;-)

42 posted on 05/01/2003 6:39:21 AM PDT by 2Jedismom ('The commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time')
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To: mc10
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt

Alexander knew the Iliad by heart. He loved Homer, and always slept with a copy of the Iliad under his pillow. His first teacher was Leonidas, a relative of Olympias. Leonidas instilled in Alexander his ascetic nature for which he became famous during his future campaigns; he lived simply, in a Spartan way, eating and sleeping together with his troops.

43 posted on 05/01/2003 6:42:50 AM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Chipata
Another sloppy bit of reporting is that "believing it's the first tailhook landing by a President". This implies that no President ever had the experience. Bush 41 was a carrier pilot, although it was years prior to him holding the office.
44 posted on 05/01/2003 6:56:57 AM PDT by damper99
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To: AndrewC
This is what I was thinking. In the past our leaders got out front.

In recent years, they've increasingly insulated themselves from the danger even the average person faces to the point where the president and congress will likely be found 250 feet underground in a hardened bunker somewhere in West Virginia at the first sign of trouble.

This guy is willing to take a little risk in making this gesture, and the effect won't be lost on the troops.

45 posted on 05/01/2003 7:25:16 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: gridlock
Dangerous? Yes.
Publicity Stunt? I guess. I would call it a dramatic gesture.
Stupid? No way. This is what we pay the man for.

And besides, he'll look a helluva lot bettter than Dukakis in a tank.

46 posted on 05/01/2003 7:31:18 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (I like PEACE ...and there's nothing more peaceful than a dead terrorist!)
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To: Miss Marple
It's like he's trying to show off. I really, really like the guy, but they should have told him to sit his @$$ down on Air Force One and lay off the hot dogging.
47 posted on 05/01/2003 7:45:58 AM PDT by ArcLight
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To: ArcLight
If HE were flying the plane, it would be showing off. Since someone ELSE is the pilot, he is simply a passenger!

How is that showing off? I think you should ask the crew of the Abraham Lincoln if it is showing off. I would bet they don't think so!

Was throwing the first baseball at the World Series "showing off?" How about cutting brush at the ranch?

The American people like a President who is a leader, who isn't afraid to take the risks. This is a good thing to showcase the Navy, get America's attention, and have some fun.

For myself, I do not want a President who is locked in DC 24/7 and only appears to give policy speeches. That is boring. We are a dynamic country and deserve to have a bit of enjoyment after the last few months.

In addition, he is leaving the ship before it docks, so that the troops get the attention and don't have to be delayed by security.

Quit grumbling. You could be back in the days when Clinton grabbed all the credit for everything, even when he had nothing to do with the success of something. Remember him "taking the hill" in front of the White House? THAT is showing off!

48 posted on 05/01/2003 8:07:36 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: mc10; Miss Marple
a stupid...dangerous...publicity stunt


Boy aren't you mostly correct..... Makes the democrats mad as hornets and doesn't hurt his standing with the public one bit.... great to recognize the men/women that have been in harms way and doing a great job.

Why don't you fly your state flag? Aren't you proud?
49 posted on 05/01/2003 8:23:30 AM PDT by deport (Beware of Idiots bearing gifts.... One maybe the FR Joke)
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To: Anamensis
I do understand your concern. I would seek only to assuage that concern, the man knows what he's doing. Have no fear. ;->
50 posted on 05/01/2003 8:29:46 AM PDT by el_texicano
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