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Posted on 05/20/2003 8:51:59 AM PDT by Destro
Wolfowitz in Skopje What Next for Macedonia?
by Christopher Deliso
May 20, 2003
A total eclipse of the full moon on Friday morning, street warfare between Macedonians and Albanians in Tetovo on Friday night could these portentous events have had anything to do with the next day's visit from US Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz?
Über-hawk Wolfowitz touched down briefly in Skopje on the third leg of his Balkan tour. At his first stop (Sarajevo) Wolfowitz oversaw the signing of a treaty guaranteeing that Bosnia will never extradite an American soldier to the International Criminal Court (ICC) for war crimes. At the second stop, Kosovo's Camp Bondsteel, Wolfowitz inspected the troops at this all but forgotten imperial outpost.
Wolfowitz's trip to Macedonia was decidedly low-key, and lasted only a few hours. Officially, he came for the photo op and speech praising the Iraq-bound Macedonian conscripts. However, the fact that he also met in private with former NLA boss Ali Ahmeti, President Boris Trajkovski, and later with Prime Minister Branko Crvenkovski and Defense Minister Vlade Buchkovski seems to indicate that Rumsfeld's right-hand man came to talk business.
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However, it is slightly unclear as to what that business was. Wolfowitz's entourage, which included US Ambassador Laurence Butler and the proverbial men in dark suits and sunglasses talking on mobile phones, were escorted briskly in and out of government buildings all morning, leaving little chance for interrogation. Although Wolfowitz answered two or three mundane questions in a mundane way when meeting with Trajkovski, no real explanation for his visit was given. And the US Embassy on Saturday claimed to have no one available who could speak on the matter.
Saturday's final photo op for Wolfowitz was the Macedonian Army's Ilinden barracks, a sprawling encampment situated on a high wooded bluff overlooking Skopje. Here Wolfowitz gave a short speech to the 39 Iraq-bound Macedonian soldiers. Among them are members of the Wolves (special forces), as well as army medics.
Flanked by officials, Wolfowitz stood opposite the neatly-arrayed Macedonian troops and thanked them for playing their part in the "liberation" of the Iraqi people from " one of the worst dictators of modern history." He also alluded to the US-imposed Ohrid Agreement when praising the Macedonians for "settling issues by talking instead of by fighting." He then proceeded down the row, cordially shaking hands with each of the conscripts. Much snapping and flashing ensued from the thicket of cameras adjacent.
photo by Cvetin Cilimanov for Antiwar.com
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I agree, and the point I was making that started this whole discussion about Operation Storm was that the West's recognition of the breakaway Yugo states did nothing but perpetuate this cycle.
I'm reminded of the 1765 debate in the British parliament over taxing the American colonies. One member, Charles Townshend, justified it by the pompous declaration that we were "nourished up by our indulgence". To which Isaac Barre responded: "They nourished up by your indulgence? they grew by your neglect of Em: ---as soon as you began to care about Em, that Care was Excercised in sending persons to rule over Em, in one Department and another, who were perhaps the Deputies of Deputies to some Member of this house---sent to Spy out their Lyberty, to misrepresent their Actions & to prey upon Em."
Makes me think of what an Indian UN general in the Balkans (whose name I forget at the moment) said comparing his home country to Yugoslavia. He stated that the same mess could easily have happened in India if the West decided to make an issue out of it - all because we "care", of course.
Thank you kindly for the vote of confidence,but I simply could not prostitute myself so! (Very Southern, very perplexed sigh.)
Still parroting that crap eh Joan?
Can you give us names for the supposed 5-7,000?
No. Of course you can't because it didn't happen.
Some 400 were murdered after Storm, when the 4th under Gotovina was steaming towards Banja Luka. Every murder a crime.
Some others than the 400 were killed during the fighting, but that happens during war.
Who are these supposed 5,000 Joan? Please document them or drop the ridiculous assertion.
If not, perhaps you'll clarify. (Giving you the benefit of the doubt here.)
I'm wondering about how many American military advisors were in Jarstrebarsko - does it take very many to "do the job right" or does it require only a very few? Like, would the number be 10, 50, 100, etc.?
saw the bloodied white blouse which looked as if it would have fit a girl of about four years old blow off one off one of these trucks. I have a photo of that little blouse where it landed beside the road.
Well, were there very many dead Serbian girls from around that age later discovered in mass graves or other graves? Or what about the missing reports of kids that age from that time? It would seem that the number fitting that criteria wouldn't be so large in that far more adults and elderly were killed than children, and you can narrow it to that time frame. So what I'm saying is that maybe a good guess as to her identity can be made.
This boy was from Sector West, imprisoned by Croats in Pakrac, passing through Sector North on his way to relatives in BiH (his immediate family was killed in Sector West). I interviewed him and had UN doctors examine him in June of 1995.
Oh, so this happened before Operation Storm. Do you know the time of his imprisonment. And how many members were there in his immediate family whom were killed - would this include any brothers or sisters?
Okay, German machines and German help cleaning the streets after the slaughter/refugee exodus, not German soldiers. But Germans were involved in Operation Storm according to the Canadians:
The Canadians radioed back to Maj. Rochette with this news and asked for directions. It was also noted and passed on to Rochettes headquarters that these "Croatians" were, in fact, well-armed German mercenaries.
During the radio exchanges between Rochette and his outposts, the majors intentions became moot. Additional "Croats" had quietly surrounded the citadels and then forced their way inside.
Back at Charlie Company headquarters, they were puzzled and alarmed when one of the beleaguered detachment sergeants suddenly went off the air. They had no way of knowing that a "Croat" soldier had just placed a primed hand grenade against the NCOs head. The next message Rochette received was that his two units were en route to Zadar under Croat escort...
Albanian Muslims made a successful Jihad via immigration and illegal immigration from Albania. By driving out Serbs and by demographics. Muslim demographics propel all of their Jihads today. All this under Tito who tried to smash down every ethnic group. This was his way of smashing down the Serbs and weakening their hold on Kosovo. So now the Muslims have additional territory (Dar al Islam) in Europe.
Oh, and America helped all this happen under Clinton. Clinton and Europe wanted to suck up the Islamic oil nations by helping the Muslims make Jihad in Europe.
She made the claim, she needs to back it up with documentation.
If 7,000 were killed, what are their names?
Yup, and I happen to be that "anonymous internet source." So pick on me, not on joan.
According to your terms I don't "qualify" as it's not reported in the respected "Western mainstream media." Fair enough. I think we can all agree the NYT qualifies as an outlet of said respected "Western mainstream media" so let's forget what I saw with my own eyes... the NYT reported that Oluja was the largest ethnic cleansing in Europe after WWII as of that date. We can all agree on that!
Of course my number is below that documented by ICRC as "missing not located" (and/or confirmed dead) and even farther below the same by those Serbian "refugee agencies" (names included, including a few names of people I found alive and well). If you're a native Croat, you know the truth and don't need me to remind you of it. If you're a Canadian descendant of Croats, you'll just live in your fantasy life. It's up to you. I'm decidedly leaning toward believing you're the latter, BTW, but will give you a chance.
"Bosnia's central government decided to require Iranian citizens to enter the country with visas in a bid to prevent mass illegal migration into Europe. According to the United Nations mission to Bosnia, 12,323 Iranians arrived to Sarajevo airport this year and only 1,062 of them have left the country. During the past three months, Croatian authorities have returned over 2,300 Iranians to Bosnia. The decision on visas was made at the request of the Iranian government. "The UN hopes that this decision helps stem the growing problem of illegal migration to Bosnia," Douglas Coffman, UN spokesman, told AFP. (Agence France Presse, December 7, 2000)"
And this item, too:
"Croatian police detained a group of 42 illegal immigrants as they attempted to enter the country from Bosnia. Twenty-five Iranian and 17 Turkish citizens were arrested in the central Croatian village of Gornji Vaganac, near the Licko Petrovo Selo border crossing with Bosnia. In the first eight months of the year, Croatian authorities detained some 11,500 illegal immigrants -- mostly Romanians, Turks, Iranians and Chinese -- 40 percent more than in the same period in 1999. (Agence France Presse, November 30, 2000)"
I'm asking for the names of the supposed 7,000 killed. That's it. Give me the names and their former places of residence.
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