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To: joan
Well, of course he was a "hardline nationalist." Found plenty of remarks of that nature during my search of the oh-so-objective news reports. So I guess he was guilty of a thought crime.
81 posted on 06/02/2003 11:47:50 AM PDT by inquest
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To: inquest
Well, you were the one who brought it up, so what's that say about you?

I merely explained to you the reason why Serbian troops wouldn't be allowed back into Kosovo, whereupon you countered with your Harlem example, which is specious, given the difference between the motivation and methods of the two forces involved.

So I dunno - what does that say about me?

You may consider the reason the Serbs won't be back in Kosovo any time soon no more than a confusion of hot air, but government by the consent of the governed will be enforced in this case, given the previous government's criminal treatment of it's subject citizens.

Moving on, let's consider the following two statements:

Actually, a big part of the reason why things went so bad in Bosnia and Croatia is that we acted to inflame their ethnic rivalries by prematurely and irresponsibly recognizing their independence.

I believe I said that recognition - both by us and by Western European governments - made matters considerably worse than they otherwise would have been. It certainly didn't help any.

Given your vast knowledge of the subject, you must know the relevant dates of both Croatian and Bosnian recognition, and the approximate starting point of the ethnic slaughter in both countries.

In short, you are either attempting to rewriting history or demonstrate an egregious ignorance of the subject matter - both Vukovar and the cleansing of non-Serb villages in Bosnia predate the recognition of those countries by months. So just how did our and the European's recognition exacerbate the situation? Other than definitively scuttling the Serb attempt to create Greater Serbia and giving a generation of web based disinformation artists grist for their mills, the effects of recognition shall have to be demonstrated to have worsened the situation.

Are you up to it? I doubt it, but what the hell, you may surprise me yet.

you'd do well

What I'd do well to do, Inquest, is to more fully recognize the limitations of those I am conversing with. If you cannot figure out how our actions in Croatia and Bosnia, where we paid mere lip service to our values and ideals, relate to our actions in Macedonia, where we intervened to stop ethnic violence from tearing the country apart, then who am I to attempt to elucidate the matter to you more than once?

Was the kind of fearmongering you describe going on anywhere but on the Albanian side?

Have you seen examples of fearmongering on the Albanian side? I'm curious - please provide examples that match what was being presented on RealityMacedonia.org

Look up Ljuboten and Boskovski - I'll expect to hear your recycling of someone else's rationalization forthwith.

82 posted on 06/02/2003 5:25:46 PM PDT by Hoplite
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