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VANITY-Looking to join Military Reserves, Advice needed
self | 5/25/03 | libertythug

Posted on 05/25/2003 11:26:48 AM PDT by LibertyThug

I am very interested in joining the military reserves. I have been to an Army recruiter and I am eligible, but I am torn between the Army and the Air Force.
Also, I want to know of others' experiences with the reserves. I want to know of any cautions, tips, advise, etc... of fellow freepers that will help me to do this right.

I am a female, 31 yrs old, and a school teacher. I want to learn new things, find some kind of job that will help my country, and I am open to new opportunities.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: military; reserves

1 posted on 05/25/2003 11:26:49 AM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: LibertyThug
It'll depend on what your interested in.

Jobs are pretty different between the Army and Air Force. See which service has use of the skills you want to get. They may train you in a job but if the units have those slots filled you'll end up doing something else.

Rule Number one is: the recruiters will tell you what you want to hear so take it with a grain of salt.

2 posted on 05/25/2003 11:43:50 AM PDT by SAMWolf (I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!)
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To: LibertyThug
Forget the Army and Air Force....Go Coast Guard..best 20 plus years of my life....
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/reserve/reshmpg.html
3 posted on 05/25/2003 11:50:23 AM PDT by vavavah
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To: SAMWolf
I minored in Russian in college. I wouldn't mind doing something with that. Thanks for the tips.

Since they tell you what you want to hear, when do you actually believe them?

4 posted on 05/25/2003 11:58:27 AM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: SAMWolf; LibertyThug
"Rule Number one is: the recruiters will tell you what you want to hear so take it with a grain of salt."

HAHAHA. Rule Number Two: Never forget rule number ONE!
Actually, reserve recruiters aren't nearly as "pressured" as active duty recruiters are. I was a Navy Reserve recruiter for a short while. Even then, most deception perceived by many is a matter of "lie by omission".

Do your homework and ask LOTS of questions, and get any promises in WRITING! Thank you for considering serving your country.

5 posted on 05/25/2003 12:19:58 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: LibertyThug
Most won't out and out lie to you. It's just that once you're in, the military can pretty much move you where they need you. The recruiter can pretty much get you the schools you want but take a "guaranteed" duty station with a grain of salt.
6 posted on 05/25/2003 4:26:29 PM PDT by SAMWolf (I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere!)
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To: LibertyThug
I am really surprised that you were accepted at 31. If you review your discussions with your recruiter, you’ll probably find that you were accepted to fill a specialist need the recruiter had. Based on the limited information available, I suspect they want you as a teacher. In this case, either Army or Air Force, or any other Service will be about the same for you. Military Service is a good profession. If nothing else, you should know that every serviceman knows the value of freedom and democracy. This alone is a good reason to join. Best of luck to you.
7 posted on 05/25/2003 4:41:25 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: vavavah
Unfortunately, the ocean is the thing keeping me from the Coast Guard.
8 posted on 05/25/2003 7:30:53 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: Dale 1
They said they accept until 35 yrs old and the recruiter didn't say a thing about teaching (I don't know how teaching 3rd graders would transfer to the military!).
I am just worried they will say one thing and then I'll end up pulling clerical duty on my one weekend a month. That does not appeal to me.
9 posted on 05/25/2003 7:35:14 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: LibertyThug
Since we're talking about joining a reserve unit, do something radical and insightful: attend a weekend drill of the unit you want to join, spend a half-day minimum with them, meet the commanding officer and first sergeant, and go to lunch with the troops. Call some of them in a week or two with follow-up questions.

All of this BEFORE you sign an enlistment contract.

I did 10 years active, three years in a drilling reserve unit, and am now on Active Guard and Reserve status. That's the approach I took before joining my reserve unit, and it worked very well for me. Gave me some good insights. By the time the slot opened up for me to join, it was nearly six months between my initial contact, the subsequent visit and my first real 'paid' drill. I got to know quite abit about standards and expectations before I ever joined the unit.

10 posted on 05/25/2003 7:38:57 PM PDT by ReaganCowboy
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To: A Navy Vet
Just so you know, it is the same in public education. I found out from a new teacher who was recruited from back East that the recruiter really played up the LA angle of beaches and vacation hotspots, but failed to mention that San Bernardino was at least an hour away from anything close to that.

A 'lie by omission' if I ever heard one! Thanks for your help.

11 posted on 05/25/2003 7:41:28 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: LibertyThug
Have you considered the Guard or Air Guard..if not, look into it...doing basic at 31 is hard...good luck!

btw...I hope you get a 1sgt like my hubby...he's the best!

12 posted on 05/25/2003 7:43:32 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: ReaganCowboy
That is a good idea. If I could ask, what type of work are you doing in the Reserves?
13 posted on 05/25/2003 7:43:40 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: mystery-ak
Is your husband in the Guard?

My image of the Guard is left over from the LA riots (not the riots related to the Lakers winning) where the Guard had to come out.

14 posted on 05/25/2003 7:51:38 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: LibertyThug
Nothing I want posted publicly - you have Freep mail.
15 posted on 05/25/2003 7:52:37 PM PDT by ReaganCowboy
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To: LibertyThug
Yes, he's in the Il Army National Guard...Aviation..Chinooks...he's been deployed many times...Panama, Ghana,Honduras,Columbia, Guetamala....etc....You may like the Guard, they usually are activated locally..(not in my hubby's unit though..LOL)....I just got off the phone with him, he's on the Iraqi/Kuwaiti border with his two co's....he's now in charge of running his camp...the Kuwaiti's call him *the mayor*..LOL.....he flies all over Iraq and just got back from Balad and Baghdad today.

I hope you find your spot...do you know any active duty person who can go with you to the recuiter?...my hubby helped a few young men so they would get what they wanted in AIT.....my son enlisted and finished basic a year ago...he's in HQ in the ILArmyNat'lGuard......good luck ad don't sign anything untl they give you what you want....since you know Russian, maybe translating or Intelligence.....Good Luck!

btw...insist on OCS or OCT(officer candidate school)
16 posted on 05/25/2003 8:50:51 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: LibertyThug
Despite being in the Army myself, or possibly because of it, I'd recommend the Air Force. They have much better opportunities for women than the Army (unless you're looking to go the officer route to become a pilot). Also, the quality of life and the pay are much, much better in the Air Force.
17 posted on 05/25/2003 8:55:19 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (All generalizations are false.)
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To: mystery-ak
You are very informative, I hadn't thought of the Guard before your post, I automatically discounted it. But, now that I know they travel, I may investigate.

In reference to btw...insist on OCS or OCT(officer candidate school) aren't I too old to do that? I was just going to go in as an E4 and look into that later. I thought I didn't qualify due to my age, etc...

Let me know if I'm bugging you with all of these questions.

18 posted on 05/25/2003 8:59:12 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: LibertyThug
You've got FReep mail.
19 posted on 05/25/2003 9:20:53 PM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: LibertyThug
I dunno - some of the Army guys I met were about the 3rd grade level... ;>)

Of course, I've been USAF for 20 years, so I MIGHT be biased. Good luck to you, and get any promises in writing.
20 posted on 05/25/2003 9:24:34 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: LibertyThug
Gee...I wish I could ask my hubby...now, Im not sure about OCS...you do qualify, but Im not sure of the age limit.

The Guard can be called up by the state Gov...for disasters or by the Prez in times of war...like I said before...my hubby has been all over and travels a lot, but that depends on your MOS....if you want to stay at home and still serve one weekend a month and 2 weeks a year...the Guard is for you, but be prepared that you can/will be deployed in an emergency....a lot of professional pilots, law enforcement join the Guard.....my hubby is actually full-time Guard, so that is always his job no matter what.
Go talk to a Guard recuiter, they are under strength and looking for educated people...they may have something you are interested in....with your language skills, you are a great asset...they need people like you.

I'll ask my son tomorrow about the age limit of OCS and get back to you...

Think Aviation...those guys have it made...flyboys all the way....you could even fly choppers they are crying for Warrant Officers in the Guard..they are so under strengthed...consider that if you like flying!
21 posted on 05/25/2003 9:27:39 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: Mr Rogers
I dunno - some of the Army guys I met were about the 3rd grade level... ;>)

I knew that one was coming. My dad was AF and he can't believe I am considering Army. My point is that I want to go where there is an interesting job.
Thanks for the laugh!

22 posted on 05/25/2003 9:33:16 PM PDT by LibertyThug
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To: LibertyThug
As I tussle over referring to you as Miss Liberty or Doctor Thug, I think you need to call your recruiter and ask the question you are asking us. He/she will answer it correctly and to the best of his/her ability. I know others on this website will advise otherwise. They will tell you to watch out for the evil deception of the recruiter (otherwise know as a used car salesmen).

Recruiters are simply filling quotas. They are looking for people to fill jobs that are needed to be filled. And if you decide to fill one of these jobs, you will not be sorry.

I say - - Go for it.

23 posted on 05/25/2003 9:37:45 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: LibertyThug
BTW - my son is trying to get into the Army Guard (hearing problem, waiting to see if he can get a waiver - having known some field artillery officers, I find it hard to believe poor hearing hurts in the Army) and my oldest daughter just finished USMC boot camp. Add in my spending 3 years in a Navy squadron, and I think I'm about as "joint" as they come.
24 posted on 05/25/2003 9:47:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: LibertyThug
This might help. It does seem to have a fairly comprehensive list of MOS's by branch. When I went in, the recruiter told me, "You have four choices: Infantry, artillery, armor and supply." He lied.

Much later in my job as a company clerk, I got to see the real deal huge Army manual listing all Army MOS's. It was unbelievable. I think there might be a thousand or more MOS's. At least there was during the Viet Nam War.

Did you know there is (or there was) an MOS called "recreation specialist?" Their job is to teach tennis, swimming, bowling, etc., to soldiers and their families at military resorts. Boy, was I ever steamed when I found out about that one! LOL.

Your recruiter won't tell you these things because the Army doesn't want everyone applying to be a recreation specialist. They'll try to guide you jobs where the Army has a need for people. But . . . be aware . . . there ARE alternatives . . .

Also, of course, you're aware . . . it's generally much more interesting and rewarding to be an officer than an enlisted person. Good luck!

25 posted on 05/25/2003 10:00:14 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Future Snake Eater
Also, the quality of life and the pay are much, much better in the Air Force.

Be careful, some places right now the Army is in AC and the USAF is in tents. Also, the Army promotes faster, so the pay is actually better in the Army.

26 posted on 05/25/2003 10:08:43 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Also, the Army promotes faster, so the pay is actually better in the Army.

True, but there are those extra payments you can get in the Air Force that are so much higher than anything in the Army. I had a buddy who joined the AF Reserves at Seymour-Johnson AFB. He trained to be a KC-135 engine repair specialist. He wasn't in school very long for it. When he got back, he got 2 weeks of OJT on-base. When he was done, he had enough bonuses where he was making equivalent to an E-7's pay as a brand new E-3.

Another case in point: one of my old roommates was a Marine who was stationed in Italy for a time. He and his fellow Marines got an extra $100-$150/month for overseas pay. His Air Force counterparts? $1,000 extra per month. He watched them count it out right in front of him.

The Air Force is definitly quite a monetary opportunity (then there's the fringe benefits of taking a hop over to Europe on a weekend drill...farthest I ever go on a weekend drill is Fort Bragg...)

27 posted on 05/26/2003 5:21:35 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (All generalizations are false.)
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To: LibertyThug
In case someone hasn't mentioned it already, check out your local National Guard recruiter too.

There are many more Guard units than Reserve units. Accordingly, they have more variety of MOS's to offer. Depending on your state, your Army/Air National Guard will have many more units (so more chance of something local) and many, many more MOS's (and so have something more to your interest).

Sounds like you might like somethin in the intel field. Even in the NG, that is a rare MOS. If you get into that field, be aware it would likely make you a high-profile mobilization asset (you might get activated and sent somewhere else).

Whatever you decide, good for you and good luck.
28 posted on 05/26/2003 5:34:20 AM PDT by fnord ( Hyprocisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue)
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To: LibertyThug
I spent a career in the active Air Force and Air National Guard so I am probably biased in their favor; but, I offer the following advise for you to consider:

1. Take your time making up your mind. Do not let any recruiter pressure you with the "this opportunity will not remain open long" spiel. What they mean is that they have a quota to meet.

2. The Air and Army Guard are great places to serve in your local area. You can meet some wonderful people and network those contacts in your civilian career. Just never forget that you can get called to active duty and deployed anywhere Uncle Sam needs you. In my last fifteen years in the Air Guard, I went overseas 6 times. Once as a volunteer; the rest of the time Uncle Sam needed me.

3. If you could let me know where you live, I will let you know the local Air Guard unit[s] and give you a person to call if I know anyone there. I am sure that others here will be willing to do that also.

Good luck in your desire to serve.
29 posted on 05/26/2003 6:05:13 AM PDT by Jim Ralls
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To: Dale 1
We had some 30+ year olds in my basic training unit, it was like training with your Dad....
30 posted on 05/26/2003 6:09:01 AM PDT by dakine
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To: Future Snake Eater
Can't comment about USAF bonuses. Each service has some, of course, and I've not heard of any zoomies here making and extra grand just for being here. $150/month is the hostile duty pay. But one thing I've learned is that truth is often stranger than a swabby's sea story.
31 posted on 05/26/2003 6:54:39 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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