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Choosing Between Republicans And Democrats Is Like Choosing Between Pharisees and Sadducees
Chuck Baldwin Live ^ | May 28, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/29/2003 9:45:56 AM PDT by xyggyx

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon May 28, 2003

When our Lord walked this earth, there were two major "parties" leading the Jewish people: the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Both of these groups posed major problems for Christ. Furthermore, though each group opposed the other, neither of them represented the truth. We have a very similar situation today in the United States with the two major political parties. In fact, the two major parties are eerily similar to those two problem-groups of Jesus' day.

Pharisees were the "conservatives" of their day. They believed in God and in personal morality. On the other hand, Sadducees were the "liberals" of their day. They were blatantly secular in philosophy and conduct. If they were yet with us today, Pharisees would doubtless feel right at home in the Republican Party, while Sadducees would fit right in with the Democratic Party.

While the Pharisees and Sadducees fiercely fought each other, they were both the enemies of Christ. When it came to supporting error and opposing truth, they were united. The same is true today with the Republican and Democratic parties.

Republicans and Democrats only argue about things that have to do with enriching each party's power and influence. On matters of substance, however, they are mostly united.

For example, neither party gives a flip about what the U.S. Constitution says. The only time they refer to it is when they seek an advantage over the other party. On the whole, elected public officials from both parties take their oath of office about as seriously as a lion takes the hissing of an opossum.

Beyond that, neither party believes in the principle of limited government. The size and scope of the federal government continues to skyrocket regardless of which party is in power. Republicans increase government by incurring debt; Democrats increase government by raising taxes. The result is the same: government gets bigger and bigger, while freedom gets smaller and smaller.

Furthermore, Pharisees and Sadducees alike supported Caesar. In fact, this was one of the central charges against Christ: He was seen as a rebel who refused to acknowledge the divine authority of Caesar. Because of this, Jesus was branded "unpatriotic." This ultimately led to His crucifixion. Conservatives today are doing the same thing.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that President Bush has been given divine authority to act outside the U.S. Constitution is branded as unpatriotic or worse. Several conservatives have even gone so far as to call G. W. Bush, "America's King." To them, Bush is Caesar, and America is an empire.

In the meantime, both parties continue to ignore or expunge the principles of truth and righteousness upon which our country was founded. Therefore, choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between Pharisees and Sadducees.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
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I think this guy is right-on
1 posted on 05/29/2003 9:45:56 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: xyggyx
So Judas could be said to be the Libertarian of his day?
2 posted on 05/29/2003 9:47:41 AM PDT by 50sDad (Close the door! Are we cooling the entire neighborhood? And clean your room!)
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To: xyggyx
Agreed!
3 posted on 05/29/2003 9:47:57 AM PDT by joebellis
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To: xyggyx
Yeah, right they're the same right, dope?
4 posted on 05/29/2003 9:48:58 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: xyggyx
Be stupid, vote 3rd party!
5 posted on 05/29/2003 9:50:42 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: jmaroneps37
Yeah, right they're the same right, dope?

I don't think that's what the article is saying. It doesn't say that the Pharisees and the Sadducees were the same people.
6 posted on 05/29/2003 9:51:52 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: xyggyx
So libertarians are now the Party of God?
7 posted on 05/29/2003 9:54:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: 50sDad
More accurately, the Benedict Arnold or Peter Arnett of his day.

Who are Libertarians betraying? Most Ls adhere more to the US Constitution than the Republicans or Democrats.

Where in the Constitution does it read that government should give us health care? Nowhere, yet both Rs and Ds will push for that.

8 posted on 05/29/2003 9:55:44 AM PDT by xrp
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To: wjcsux
Be stupid, vote 3rd party!

Voting 3rd party might not be the best solution. I think it would be better to pressure your Republican senators and congressmen to be more conservative. We need to change the direction of an existing, established party to change this country for the better. I'm not sure if that's going to be any easier than getting a 3rd party candidate elected.
9 posted on 05/29/2003 9:56:50 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: xyggyx
Very nice analogy!
10 posted on 05/29/2003 9:58:52 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Private First Class - 101st Viking Kittie Airborne....Valhalla...All the Way!)
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To: 50sDad
So Judas could be said to be the Libertarian of his day?

Naw, Judas would be more like a Homeland Security agent.
11 posted on 05/29/2003 9:59:24 AM PDT by steve50
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To: xyggyx
We need to change the direction of an existing, established party to change this country for the better.
I agree 100%. Here in NM, Pete Domenici acts like a RINO unless he knows he is being watched.
12 posted on 05/29/2003 9:59:39 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: wjcsux
That's a pretty bold statement considering voting for Democrats equates to voting for robbers (of your income) and voting for Republicans equates to voting for the morality police/executioners.

Given the choice of voting amongst a robber, a killer or a stupid person, I'd vote for the stupid person.

13 posted on 05/29/2003 9:59:42 AM PDT by xrp
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To: xyggyx
Conservatives gave the Republicans the majority in 1994.
Conservatives fought for Bush when Gore tried to hijack the election in 2000.
Conservatives fought to give Bush a Republican Congressional majority in 2002.

Republicans now control all three branches of government. Yet, you still cannot cut the size of government, seal the borders, and promote REAL tax reform

14 posted on 05/29/2003 10:00:57 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: xyggyx
It's kinda like lunch.............

There are 2 choices on the menu.........

Dog poop sandwich and cat poop sandwich.

Pick either on and you're still gettin poop..........

My gop-bot friends acknowledge this fact because they work in the kitchen.........

I may have to dine on doody, but I will not help prepare the meal.
15 posted on 05/29/2003 10:01:14 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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To: xyggyx
I'm not always fond of what the GOP does, but there's definitely a difference between the two. Voting for a Democrat because I'm annoyed at the Republican is like eating a pile of s*** because my steak wasn't done right. It's just not an option.

-Eric

16 posted on 05/29/2003 10:03:19 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: xrp
You are pretty close, check this out;

Democrats: Takes money from the hardworker and give it to welfare recips.

Republicans: Takes money from the hardworker and gives it to other country's...Go figure...

Libertarians: Doesn't take hardworkers money, and abolishes the 16th admendment.

17 posted on 05/29/2003 10:03:40 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Private First Class - 101st Viking Kittie Airborne....Valhalla...All the Way!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Libertarians need to work on their national defense positions and border control issues, however.
18 posted on 05/29/2003 10:06:44 AM PDT by xrp
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To: xrp
I really don't see any Republicans that come under the catagory of "morality police/executioners". The RATS tried to put that label on John Ashcroft because he is a "rule of law" guy. Most of the conservative GOP lawmakers may have their personal views on morality but they don't try forcing them on others. The RATS, on the other hand, don't have an issue with stealing your life, liberty or property.
19 posted on 05/29/2003 10:09:57 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: xrp
Really? 800,000 man military costing billions annually and no one guarding the border vs. 80 million gun owners carrying whatever arms they wish, including on their property along the border costing not one red cent in taxes.

You wanna invade a country where 80 million people are armed and carrying everywhere?

20 posted on 05/29/2003 10:11:07 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: E Rocc
Change Republican to Democrat and vice versa. It's still the same sentence.
The diference is you that you think that cat poop is steak.
21 posted on 05/29/2003 10:11:41 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: wjcsux
As long as you vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve what you get. I'm going to start voting for the candidate that most closely represents my views. Whether or not they win is not important, just that I have the peace of mind that I did the right thing and not the popular thing.
22 posted on 05/29/2003 10:13:57 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: wjcsux
Republicans strongly support the War on Drugs, which is an attack on someone's morals (who cares if they smoke pot in the privacy of their own home?) and also results in the wonderful DEA raids. Hey, sometimes these DEA agents actually raid the correct house, but sometimes they ransack some old guy's house...OOPS, wrong address. There's no redress for the old man. Or...when they get the right house, they go in with guns blazing and end up blowing away 14 year old girls.

Another innocent dead American, courtesy of the valiant war on drugs

23 posted on 05/29/2003 10:15:42 AM PDT by xrp
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
As I call it - "The Two-Party Cartel". If we only had 2 auto, golf, toothpaste manufacturers every person would be hollering to break that monopoly. This is where competition is most needed (gov) but you will NEVER get it under this charade. See how these civil servants squeel when a 3rd party candidate comes in & disrupts their fiefdom. How can 80% of Americans want the borders secured & NOTHING happens to do such? How can Sen. Dodd not be called before the senate for his role in the Chi-Com money to Dems? Because there is no checks in this cartel.
24 posted on 05/29/2003 10:17:40 AM PDT by Digger
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To: xyggyx
This situation is really Sadducee.
25 posted on 05/29/2003 10:20:09 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: xyggyx
I agree, Republicans aren't cutting government spending and the federal bureacracy continues to grow unchecked. But the analogy that takes todays political environment and loosely compares it to the time of Jesus Christ is way over the top. Especially the following statement.

>>>Anyone who refuses to acknowledge that President Bush has been given divine authority to act outside the U.S. Constitution is branded as unpatriotic or worse.

This is pure hogwash. If you don't like the policies of PresBush, fine, but there's no need to revert to outrageous rhetoric, verging on hyperbole, to express an opposing political viewpoint.

PresBush has shown himself to be a remarkable leader in a very unique time in US and world history. Concentrating his fiscal policy on annual tax cuts since taking office, has been a positive move welcomed by most conservatives. However, Bushes efforts to hold the line on spending has been very poor. Even if you take out the cost of the war on terrorism, the federal budget has increased every year since Bush took office. But the GOP has also been part of the problem and not stood its ground on spending.

Beginning a serious fight against waste, fraud and abuse in the federal budget, would be a good start. Couple that with real tax reform and the American people might start to see the federal governemnt become more responsible in its dealings and thereby, more responsive to the Constitution.

Let's also remember that PresBush didn't create the current set of circumstances that exist in "beltway". He also isn't king of the US, he's an elected official who must deal in the political arena with the forces of the loyal opposition. Real change won't happen overnight and those that expect everything to turn rosey without hard work, are either ignorant of how politics work or are impractical idealists with pie in the sky expectations.

26 posted on 05/29/2003 10:27:10 AM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: xrp
The Republican party of George Bush pushes a genteel socialism. It also favors a strong defense. It does not play on class envy or racial hatred. Nevertheless, it does not give a flip about the Constitution or limited government. This new Republican party is neither all good or all bad. We have to be honest with ourselves. Of course, the American people want socialism light.
27 posted on 05/29/2003 10:29:20 AM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: Digger
See how these civil servants squeel when a 3rd party candidate comes in & disrupts their fiefdom. How can 80% of Americans want the borders secured & NOTHING happens to do such?

You bet. And speaking of "civil servants", they make huge salarys, and are given hugh pensions, while most middle class American's are lucky to be able to afford heath insurance. These civil servant "celebrites" ride in limos, with armed security, going from talk show to talk show, telling us how bad the "other" party is. It's absolutely pathetic how they avoid the most dangerous issues facing this country. Bring up a third party, that would put American's and America first, and they both start doing the chicken, telling us we will be doomed.

28 posted on 05/29/2003 10:31:00 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Forget the tin foil, get out the sheet metal.)
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To: steve50
The third-party ethic got us Bill Clinton. It is possible to so love a losing ideology that you get what is worst for your country. I will admit that before I became a serious conservative, I was enough of an idiot to vote for Perot (before I came to my senses and became a neoconservative.) The idea that because the GOP is against abortion and against pot will turn too many votes that we need to ensure the security of America. If Libertarians had voted for W because he was the best realistic choice, we might have had a decisive 2000 vote rather than the (completely legal but thorn in our side) arguable victory that today allows Teddy-Bill-Hill to whine about "selected not elected."
29 posted on 05/29/2003 10:46:41 AM PDT by 50sDad (Close the door! Are we cooling the entire neighborhood? And clean your room!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Republicans now control all three branches of government. Yet, you still cannot cut the size of government, seal the borders, and promote REAL tax reform.

Check back after we smash the 60% barrier in the Senate.

30 posted on 05/29/2003 10:49:13 AM PDT by 50sDad (Close the door! Are we cooling the entire neighborhood? And clean your room!)
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To: 50sDad
How many votes do they need to remove that requirement for bringing things up for considerationon the floor? It was a simple rules change that the Dims did. Why aren't the Pubbies trying hard to get it switched back?

Lame excuses all around. We aren't looking for a Constitutional amendment here.

31 posted on 05/29/2003 10:55:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dead Corpse
The Dems have controled the arguement for a generation by forcing a Liberal Supreme Court. Issues that could not be put into action through the Legislative Branch, could be forced into law by activist judges. The real battle begins when the Court is returned to our hands.
32 posted on 05/29/2003 11:00:21 AM PDT by 50sDad (Close the door! Are we cooling the entire neighborhood? And clean your room!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
And I still maintain that Judas was logically a Libertarian. He functioned in a complete freedom of choice…he could acted in his own complete self-interest to meet what he thought were his own needs, and gained 30 piece of silver by betraying a cause whose true nature he misunderstood. Where the Laws of God and/or the universe conflicted with his own desires, he rejected them. When he had completed his own fate through his own choices, he discovered that there might be a larger plan that he could not entirely understand through his human wisdom. And God took what in the end seemed to be a defeat and turned it into a Glory. Seems to be an open-and-shut argument to me.
33 posted on 05/29/2003 11:00:58 AM PDT by 50sDad (Close the door! Are we cooling the entire neighborhood? And clean your room!)
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To: 50sDad
Yet, you still cannot cut the size of government, seal the borders, and promote REAL tax reform.

Check back after we smash the 60% barrier in the Senate.

Care to make a little wager that

1) the amount of money spent on goobermint, including the hidden items, will go down, or
2) the borders will be sealed to illegal aliens, and no more than 1000 per year will get in?

Any amount you name, I don't care if the R's have 100% of the Senate.

34 posted on 05/29/2003 11:08:30 AM PDT by jimt
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To: 50sDad
My problem with the neoconservatives isn't abortion or pot, it's that they promote the same big central government, big spending, Constitution destroying principles as the liberals do. Face it, the republican party doesn't stand for what it used to, it has gone authoritarian/left. I refuse to go left with it.
35 posted on 05/29/2003 11:08:55 AM PDT by steve50
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To: xyggyx
Excellent article. And I agree with you that he's right on.
36 posted on 05/29/2003 11:16:50 AM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: 50sDad
Huh? What the Sam h*ll are you talking about?
37 posted on 05/29/2003 11:18:25 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Forget the tin foil, get out the sheet metal.)
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To: 50sDad
If Libertarians had voted for W because he was the best realistic choice

Libertarians didn't vote for Bush because he didn't represent their ideals. How hard is that for Republicans to understand?

38 posted on 05/29/2003 11:19:13 AM PDT by xrp
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Republicans now control all three branches of government. Yet, you still cannot cut the size of government, seal the borders, and promote REAL tax reform

You certainly are extremely extreme. Me too. Kinda like the founding fathers were...

39 posted on 05/29/2003 11:19:37 AM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Republicans now control all three branches of government. Yet, you still cannot cut the size of government, seal the borders, and promote REAL tax reform

Bush would have gotten a much bigger cut including permanent elimination of dividend taxes if there were a couple more conservative Republicans in the Senate. The house was backing the full tax cut. The RINO's hold the balance of power in the Senate. This just proves the need for more Republicans, especially in the Senate.

40 posted on 05/29/2003 11:19:49 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: xyggyx
PifflePoof!
41 posted on 05/29/2003 11:21:11 AM PDT by blackbart1
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To: 50sDad
And I still maintain that Judas was logically a Libertarian.

How was he logically a Libertarian? Libertarians believe in freedom of choice up to the point where it interferes with the life, liberty and freedom of another individual. Judas obviously had malice for Christ which resulted in Christ's loss life, which isn't a libertarian/Libertarian belief.

42 posted on 05/29/2003 11:21:43 AM PDT by xrp
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To: rcofdayton
Of course, the American people want socialism light.

Indeed, because the government schools have dumbed them down to the point where they no longer know what freedom really is.

43 posted on 05/29/2003 11:22:47 AM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: Dead Corpse
How many votes do they need to remove that requirement for bringing things up for considerationon the floor? It was a simple rules change that the Dims did. Why aren't the Pubbies trying hard to get it switched back?

They don't have the votes of all Republican Senators to get the rules changed. Same as the tax cut. To get anything, they need every Republican minus 1 to line up behind it, or maybe every Republican minus 2 if Zell Miller crosses over. They don't have every Republican voting with the leadership on many issues.

44 posted on 05/29/2003 11:24:09 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: xyggyx
Republicans passed two tax cuts. Democrats passed tax increases. I can see how they get confused
45 posted on 05/29/2003 11:25:27 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: xyggyx
I think it would be better to pressure your Republican senators and congressmen to be more conservative.

¿Wasn't that the rationale used against Bush-41 that led to 8 years of Clinton?

46 posted on 05/29/2003 11:26:37 AM PDT by Consort
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To: xyggyx
There is much truth in the parallel you cite. Of course, it is a truth which has endlessly repeating parallels in the political world, throughout human history--regardless of the form of the political system involved.

The practical response for Conservatives is not to focus on political partisanship, except at election time. Rather to advocate the truth, support the truth and educate as many as we can to the truth. The more Americans who we can wake up to what has been happening to our heritage, over the past two generations or so, the more difficult it will be for the politicians to continue their "politics as usual," at the next election.

Of course, the battle is never ending. Eternal vigilence is now as always the price for liberty; just as personal integrity, in accepting what is true, rather than what one wishes might be true, is the price of moral rectitude.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

47 posted on 05/29/2003 11:33:51 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: RockyMtnMan
As long as you vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve what you get.

One or the other is going to be elected. That's the way is and will continue to be whether Dem or Pub or any other party, or all three. So, which one do you want? The greater or the lesser evil?

I'm going to start voting for the candidate that most closely represents my views. Whether or not they win is not important,...

Winning is the most important thing. How else can he implement the policies that caused you to vote for him if he doesn't win?

...just that I have the peace of mind that I did the right thing and not the popular thing.

Nope. If you vote for unelectable candidates or you don't vote for Republicans, or you don't vote at all.....and Democrats wind up in control, then peace of mind will be the last thing you ever get. You'll get more angrier than you are now. Besides, you'll pi$$ off the rest of us.

48 posted on 05/29/2003 11:47:24 AM PDT by Consort
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To: 50sDad
and became a neoconservative.

I hope you were already circumcised! ;-)

49 posted on 05/29/2003 11:50:00 AM PDT by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Consort
I'm sure that's exactly what our founders had in mind when forming our union. Unless we the people take a stand at some point we'll vote ourselves into precisely what we're trying to avoid, a new socialist state.
50 posted on 05/29/2003 11:59:54 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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