Choosing Between Republicans And Democrats Is Like Choosing Between Pharisees and Sadducees

Chuck Baldwin Live ^ | May 28, 2003 | Chuck Baldwin

[blackbart1]

PifflePoof!

[xrp]

And I still maintain that Judas was logically a Libertarian.

How was he logically a Libertarian? Libertarians believe in freedom of choice up to the point where it interferes with the life, liberty and freedom of another individual. Judas obviously had malice for Christ which resulted in Christ's loss life, which isn't a libertarian/Libertarian belief.

[Jefferson Adams]

Of course, the American people want socialism light.

Indeed, because the government schools have dumbed them down to the point where they no longer know what freedom really is.

[lasereye]

How many votes do they need to remove that requirement for bringing things up for considerationon the floor? It was a simple rules change that the Dims did. Why aren't the Pubbies trying hard to get it switched back?

They don't have the votes of all Republican Senators to get the rules changed. Same as the tax cut. To get anything, they need every Republican minus 1 to line up behind it, or maybe every Republican minus 2 if Zell Miller crosses over. They don't have every Republican voting with the leadership on many issues.

[AppyPappy]

Republicans passed two tax cuts. Democrats passed tax increases. I can see how they get confused

[Consort]

I think it would be better to pressure your Republican senators and congressmen to be more conservative.

¿Wasn't that the rationale used against Bush-41 that led to 8 years of Clinton?

[Ohioan]

There is much truth in the parallel you cite. Of course, it is a truth which has endlessly repeating parallels in the political world, throughout human history--regardless of the form of the political system involved.

The practical response for Conservatives is not to focus on political partisanship, except at election time. Rather to advocate the truth, support the truth and educate as many as we can to the truth. The more Americans who we can wake up to what has been happening to our heritage, over the past two generations or so, the more difficult it will be for the politicians to continue their "politics as usual," at the next election.

Of course, the battle is never ending. Eternal vigilence is now as always the price for liberty; just as personal integrity, in accepting what is true, rather than what one wishes might be true, is the price of moral rectitude.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

[Consort]

As long as you vote for the lesser of two evils you deserve what you get.

One or the other is going to be elected. That's the way is and will continue to be whether Dem or Pub or any other party, or all three. So, which one do you want? The greater or the lesser evil?

I'm going to start voting for the candidate that most closely represents my views. Whether or not they win is not important,...

Winning is the most important thing. How else can he implement the policies that caused you to vote for him if he doesn't win?

...just that I have the peace of mind that I did the right thing and not the popular thing.

Nope. If you vote for unelectable candidates or you don't vote for Republicans, or you don't vote at all.....and Democrats wind up in control, then peace of mind will be the last thing you ever get. You'll get more angrier than you are now. Besides, you'll pi$$ off the rest of us.

[StriperSniper]

and became a neoconservative.

I hope you were already circumcised! ;-)

[RockyMtnMan]

I'm sure that's exactly what our founders had in mind when forming our union. Unless we the people take a stand at some point we'll vote ourselves into precisely what we're trying to avoid, a new socialist state.

[50sDad]

Libertarians believe in freedom of choice up to the point where it interferes with the life, liberty and freedom of another individual.

Excellent. Then I never need fear that a Libertarian will give my children pot, or suggest to my daughters that killing an unborn infant is no big whup and they shouldn't give a moment's thought to stopping a beating heart! Good deal.

[Consort]

I'm sure that's exactly what our founders had in mind when forming our union.

Every party has an opinion about what the founders had in mind. The party that gets elected gets to implement their version. Yes? No? If Bush makes an executive dicision that Conservatives don't like, then which party will most likely try to overturn it? Not the Democrats.

[RockyMtnMan]

Republicans have both legislative bodies and the presidency and have yet to pass any significant legislation. The tax cut is a joke and the new homeland security department is yet another new government program. When can we expect some real changes? I want tax reform not nickel and dime cuts, I want negative government growth instead of the continuous positive growth. When are we going to seal off the borders and kick out the freeloaders we have now? I'm going to give Bush a shot this run, but if I don't see a change then what’s the point?

Obviously the Dims would be far worse and would institute more programs and take away more freedoms. I just want another option, kinda like when I pick out a new car.

[Consort]

Obviously the Dims would be far worse and would institute more programs and take away more freedoms.

You make my case and I appreciate it. You had me concerned there for a while.

I just want another option, kinda like when I pick out a new car.

Other options raise the cost of the car; they don't always work right, they can affect your insurance rates, they can be very expensive to repair, they might need to be recalled...............

[xrp]

Yeah you're right. A drug dealer would give them pot and a murder advocate would support abortion. I'm glad you're learning!

[RockyMtnMan]

I'm just getting tired of the same ol crap and nothing ever changing for the better. Bush is as good as it gets for the moment but even he won't fundamentally change our system of government.

[xrp]

Yeah...he even signed TED KENNEDY'S Education bill! The Department of Education needs to be abolished and education needs to be handled on the local level.

[Consort]

Republicans have both legislative bodies and the presidency and have yet to pass any significant legislation. The tax cut is a joke...

The tax cut is significant and there will be more of them if you don't help to mess it up for the rest of us.

...and the new homeland security department is yet another new government program.

I think it's a consolidation of many other existing agencies that had many duplicative functions which, hopefully, will be weeded out over time. Plus, the union control is now weakened. The Dems strongly opposed and that's why it's probably a good idea. Many other agencies need to be combined, as well. Over the long run, it might save us money.

I want negative government growth instead of the continuous positive growth.

Me too, but the Dems will speed it up the growth.

When are we going to seal off the borders and kick out the freeloaders we have now?It probably won't happen unless both parties make it happen. I'm not sure about the Republicans, but I'm sure that we can't count on the Democrats. The freeloaders will not be kicked out.

[RockyMtnMan]

350 billion out of 36 trillion over ten years is significant? Perhaps you don't understand the mathmatics involved here.

Like I said before, we need meaningful tax reform not tiny cuts here and there. That would benefit ALL of us including the dipshit Dims.

The only agency that actually folded into the Homeland Security Department was the INS. The rest exist as they always have and will continue until my death.

[mdmathis6]

If there is any truth in the analogy of the parties being modern day equivalents of pharisees and saduccees, then what will they do should God engineer the equivalent of a political Jesus Christ(albeit a new party or political movement, ect) to castigate both parties and to show the rest of us Americans a new way to run the country! History shows that upheavals arise when political forces are dead-locked, causing stagnation and economic malaise.(Christ was killed but what a glorious resurrection!)

I say a 3rd constitutional convention is needed. This will force a complete rewrite of the government and force the Liberals out from behind their facade of trying to over-throw the constitution in the name of the constitution. In a constitutional overhaul, all federal laws and statutues are up for grabs....all the old political games will be quashed, and no one will have the leverage of power(at least not at first. The ground will have shifted, alliances will have to be re-thought. And the cowardly, who voted in the past against their own consciences in the name of expediency, will have a chance to be real adults again!