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Mount Sinai Was A Volcano In Saudi Arabia, Says Scientist (Exodus)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-13-2003 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 06/12/2003 6:15:39 PM PDT by blam

Mount Sinai was volcano in Saudi Arabia, says scientist

By Roger Highfield Science Editor
(Filed: 13/06/2003)

Mount Sinai, where Scripture says Moses received God's Law, is located in Saudi Arabia, not Egypt's Sinai Peninsula - moving a key site for Judaism into the nation where Islam was founded, according to a Cambridge professor.

Science also backs traditional beliefs that the Israelites' exodus from Egypt was led by Moses, roughly the way that the Bible tells it, according to Prof Colin Humphreys of Cambridge University.

Prof Humphreys, a churchgoing Baptist and materials scientist, outlines his ideas in his forthcoming book: The Miracles of Exodus: A Scientist's Discovery of the Extraordinary Natural Causes of the Biblical Stories.

While other scholars have proposed that Sinai was in Arabia, Prof Humphreys argues that the holy mount must have been an active volcano, since it shook and emitted fire and smoke (Exodus 19:18). And he has carefully examined records ancient and modern to fix the site.

His candidate: present-day Mount Bedr in north-western Saudi Arabia, since there were no ancient volcanoes in what was later named the Sinai Peninsula.

Prof Humphreys also thinks that near Mount Bedr, Moses experienced God's call at the "burning bush". He suggests that this was caused by flammable natural gas or volcanic gas escaping from the ground.

The Book of Exodus obviously underwent later editing, he said, but the evidence strongly suggests witness material that might well come from Moses himself. The book is "amazingly accurate and coherent", he said.

Prof Humphreys also offers other "naturalistic" explanations for wondrous events. For instance, he thinks that escalating natural disasters explain each of the 10 "plagues" that forced Pharaoh to let the Israelite slaves depart. The Nile "turned to blood" meant that toxic red algae killed fish, the dead fish forced frogs ashore, gnats and flies were drawn to the dead fish and frogs and the insects transmitted a virus that killed livestock.


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KEYWORDS: arabia; catastrophism; exodus; exodusdecoded; godsgravesglyphs; jamescameron; mount; mountsinai; saudi; saudiarabia; scientist; scientists; simchajacobovici; sinai; volcano
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1 posted on 06/12/2003 6:15:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
( I read this book a few years ago, some real interesting points)

The Gold of Exodus - 03/03/98

Simon & Schuster are currently selling a new book, called 'The Gold of Exodus' for around $25.

Author Howard Blum claims the location of historic Mount Sinai is at the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula located in Saudi Arabia. The local name for the mountain is Jabal Al Lawz.

10 years ago, researchers Larry Williams and Bob Cornuke decided to try to locate the 'real' Mount Sinai. They claim to have succeeded and to have verified several points of Biblical reference. They report finding the 'land bridge' that crosses the Red Sea, used by Moses and his people to escape the pursuing Egyptian hordes.

During the Exodus, Moses set up pillars and boundary stones which were found by explorers Cornuke and Williams. Even the alter Aaron used for the worship of the Golden Calf has been found, decorated with drawings of cows.

Cornuke and Williams were originally intending to locate the massive amounts of gold taken by the Israelites when they left Egypt. None of this gold was found, but they do believe to have confirmed the accuracy of the Biblical Book of Exodus.

Other disturbing findings reported in the book are that the Chinese and Saudi's have built a nuclear base in the Mount Sinai area, even providing evidence of involvement by the U.S. Air Force.

This spectacular book and story are currently being made into a movie along the lines of Indiana Jones. 'The Gold of Exodus' is available in most book outlets.

2 posted on 06/12/2003 6:21:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Scientist Defends Account Of Exodus
3 posted on 06/12/2003 6:24:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
I read that book a couple years ago, believe it is available in paperback. A fascinating read.

I think the adventurers believed that the Saudis may have dug up the gold?
4 posted on 06/12/2003 6:42:47 PM PDT by Sam Cree (HHDerelict)
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To: blam
Who cares what some wack job scientist said. It is the "text", the word, that has the meaning. Screw the "scientists". What the hell to they know about God. Zip!
5 posted on 06/12/2003 6:44:54 PM PDT by TheWillardHotel
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To: blam
Prof Humphreys also offers other "naturalistic" explanations for wondrous events. For instance, he thinks that escalating natural disasters explain each of the 10 "plagues" that forced Pharaoh to let the Israelite slaves depart. The Nile "turned to blood" meant that toxic red algae killed fish, the dead fish forced frogs ashore, gnats and flies were drawn to the dead fish and frogs and the insects transmitted a virus that killed livestock.

Yep naturalistic...no need to spread lambs blood on the door posts Death took the first born only of those who did not... perfectly natural...just co-incidence? Bwahahahahahahaha The wisdom of the wise is foolishness to God

6 posted on 06/12/2003 6:49:22 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: blam
Mount Sinai...it's location has been known for quite some time. Check out the website and the evidence...then judge for yourself.

http://www.wyattmuseum.com

It's location in Saudi.

Notice the fence that the Saudis have erected around the entire mountain...you can also see the guard house. Amazing to see where fire burned the top.

7 posted on 06/12/2003 6:51:00 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: TheWillardHotel
"Who cares what some wack job scientist said. It is the "text", the word, that has the meaning. Screw the "scientists". What the hell to they know about God. Zip!"

I do. Why are you so hostile? No-one is questioning the word of GOD.

..and don't start the Creationist BS on my thread!

8 posted on 06/12/2003 6:52:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Cornuke and Williams are both hustlers. Anything with their names attached to it is suspect. Alot of the things they claimed to have found actually were found by Ron Wyatt...Cornuke and Williams both knew this but tried to pawn of discoveries as their own.

9 posted on 06/12/2003 6:53:44 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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10 posted on 06/12/2003 6:54:09 PM PDT by RadioFR
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To: TheWillardHotel
What was your point in that pointlessly vulgar post?
11 posted on 06/12/2003 6:55:27 PM PDT by the_doc
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To: blam


12 posted on 06/12/2003 7:03:02 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: blam
bump!

(loves language arts)
13 posted on 06/12/2003 7:06:02 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: Calpernia
No disrespect but posting pictures [some of which arent decipherable] for pictures sake kinda flows against your own tag line.

Maybe some commentary and a link next time. :o)
14 posted on 06/12/2003 7:08:46 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: TheWillardHotel
I think the scientist feels that the "word" is accurate. Do you find rudeness a spritual quality?
15 posted on 06/12/2003 7:11:09 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Sam Cree; TheWillardHotel
LOL...

You were kinda rough.
16 posted on 06/12/2003 7:13:27 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4
You were kinda rough.

Ya.

Don't ever question the jurisdiction of science!

Now even non-scientific, or "credo", disciplines feel the
need to justify their domains with science.

17 posted on 06/12/2003 7:17:51 PM PDT by TheWillardHotel
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To: VaBthang4
"Notice the fence that the Saudis have erected around the entire mountain...you can also see the guard house.

I have looked and looked, I cannot see a fence or a guard house. Now, I have read that they are there.

Also, I've read from other sources that the Saudi's do have ballistic missles out there, Chinese I think.

18 posted on 06/12/2003 7:23:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The website I gave has more images and better shots of the fence surrounding the mountain.
19 posted on 06/12/2003 7:35:24 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: blam
Here's a few...




20 posted on 06/12/2003 7:41:31 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: VaBthang4
Thanks. Now, I see them. LOL
21 posted on 06/12/2003 7:44:19 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Science also backs traditional beliefs that the Israelites' exodus from Egypt was led by Moses, roughly the way that the Bible tells it, according to Prof Colin Humphreys of Cambridge University.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA! Was that Moses Malone?

22 posted on 06/12/2003 7:44:39 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: VaBthang4
Why is adding maps not taking responsibility for my actions? The maps are relevant to the text. I don't like to publicly post my views of historical relevance versus religious relevance of the bible. I'm not transparent on FreeRepublic.
23 posted on 06/12/2003 7:45:12 PM PDT by Calpernia (Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
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To: blam
Science also backs traditional beliefs that the Israelites' exodus from Egypt was led by Moses, roughly the way that the Bible tells it

This is simply nonsense.

There are born-again scientists who accept the Bible as revealed Truth but their beliefs are scarsely based on their science. There are a host of Doctors of Theology out of podunk Bible colleges traveling around the revival circuit. Most hard-nosed trained Egyptologists just try to avoid the issue since it is so loaded and can effect funding.

If the Exodus occurred the Egyptians of the period were unaware of it, despite that 2 1/2 million out of a population of 3 1/2 to 5 million left the country. There is not one reference to it anywhere in all the 500,000 papyri in museums or on stone. Scholars who do discuss it in detail think that the story is a folk memory rewriting the Hyksos episode (at least many do).

24 posted on 06/12/2003 7:47:18 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: blam
The Book of Exodus obviously underwent later editing

Ya think? Did the Parting of the Red Sea happen, or is it some kind of code?

25 posted on 06/12/2003 7:48:15 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Seti 1
There is no record of it. It would be wonderful if there were some documentation of the Exodus. The Egyptians liked to brag about everything they did militarily, even if the campaign wasn't so great.

There should be something along the lines of "The great Pharoah chased the Jews out of the country. The Gods were pleased with the cleansing of the country"

Something, anything. If there is a scroll, an inscription, anything in Egypt that suggests a couple million people took off, I would like to know about it.

26 posted on 06/12/2003 7:52:49 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Seti 1
After centuries of scoffing and ridicule, many "folk memory" tales in the Bible have been proven to be valid and accurate. None have ever been disproved. The reason for this is everything in the Bible is absolutely true.
27 posted on 06/12/2003 7:53:35 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: Seti 1
"Scholars who do discuss it in detail think that the story is a folk memory rewriting the Hyksos episode (at least many do)."

...or, that the fleeing numbers were much smaller.

Also, I believe that the Exodus occured in 1628BC when the volcano Santorina blew its top. This could have provided all the fireworks, famines and earthquakes and a tsunami into the Red Sea. The Red Sea was land locked at the end of the Ice Age and my have broken through due to the earthquakes, etc.

Tree rings indicate a worldwide catastrophic event at this time, maybe the people doing all the recording in Egypt didn't survive, huh?

28 posted on 06/12/2003 7:59:30 PM PDT by blam
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To: Cedric
Ezekial 4:12-15

This is true? God does this?

29 posted on 06/12/2003 7:59:46 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: blam
Is there any evidence then of a break in continuity of the Egyptian empire during the time of the exodus?

I think the numbers are cooked in some cases but do detail events. When they talk about battles with 500,000 killed with primitive weapons, there weren't 500,000 killed in Iraq with heavy ordinance over many days. But who knows?

30 posted on 06/12/2003 8:01:43 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: RightWhale
"Ya think? Did the Parting of the Red Sea happen, or is it some kind of code?"

Don't have any data or an opinion on the editing of Exodus. I do believe the Red Sea (or something very close to it) parted.

Code?

31 posted on 06/12/2003 8:02:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: Seti 1
The bit about there not being any mention of it anywhere in Egyptian history is of little affect as it is well known that Egyptian Pharoahs doctored the history of Egypt and previous Pharoahs...even to the point of taking credit for previous conquests, buildings etc etc....I'm pretty sure such a trmendous defeat at the hands of slaves would be enough to try and cover up or erase any mention of what occured.

I have a book that documents alot of these actions and the Pharoahs that had committed a whole host of transgressions that were attempts to mislead posterity. Unfortunately....I think I left it in Richmond this weekend.

Israel's enemies have a long and distinguished history of completely fabricating or erasing history that doesnt flow with their own lie.

32 posted on 06/12/2003 8:03:02 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: dogbyte12
Yep.
33 posted on 06/12/2003 8:03:41 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: blam
If you make the code public, there is some kind of committee that comes to your house and soaps your windows. So I can say no more.
34 posted on 06/12/2003 8:06:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: RightWhale
the Bible code demonstrates the unfathomable intellect of the Bible author.
35 posted on 06/12/2003 8:07:44 PM PDT by Cedric
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To: dogbyte12
"The Egyptians liked to brag about everything they did militarily, even if the campaign wasn't so great."

A great example of that is from the six day war. Immediately following Israel's initial airstrikes that completely destroyed Egypt's Air Force, all of Egypt's state run newspapers, tv & radio stations were regalling the people with tales of rebuffing the assault and shooting down 80% of Israel's jets.

Egyptians were dancing in the streets and shouting for more...little did they know, flies were the most lethal weapons left in Egypt's air arsenal....and Nasser sulked in his room for days.

Examples of this sort of lack of humility and subterfuge from people in the Middle East goes on and on and spans back for thousands of years. We all know it....individuals with an agenda try and hustle their way around it.

36 posted on 06/12/2003 8:11:35 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: RightWhale
LOL
37 posted on 06/12/2003 8:12:09 PM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: dogbyte12
Arguments for a 1628BC Exodus here
38 posted on 06/12/2003 8:13:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
His candidate: present-day Mount Bedr in north-western Saudi Arabia, since there were no ancient volcanoes in what was later named the Sinai Peninsula.

If the Muslims can claim Jerusalem and all of Israel by saying (with straight faces) that Mohammed "ascended to heaven on a winged horse above Al Quds [Jerusalem]" (note that this silliness is not mentioned at all in the Koran)....then surely the Jews can claim all of Saudi Arabia using this far more scientific method as their proof.

ISRAEL...ANNEX SAUDI ARABIA NOW!

39 posted on 06/12/2003 8:20:34 PM PDT by montag813
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To: blam
How typical of jihadists in saudi to attempt to claim a mandate they have neither been given, nor taken responsibility for.
40 posted on 06/12/2003 8:25:38 PM PDT by ChadGore (Piss off a liberal: Hire Someone.)
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To: dogbyte12
It would be wonderful if there were some documentation of the Exodus...

This point is so predictable I think it must be a favorite in Bible school classes. Actually an account of it on a temple wall would not be surprizing. Rameses II lost the Battle of Kadesh by his mismanagement but he devoted a huge wall at Karnak to it telling how he crushed his enemies beneath his heal. Spinning war reports didn't start with Bush.

Even so, there are those 500,000 papyri, mostly from the New Kingdom, covering every aspect of Egyptian life at the time. And there are the archives of neighboring countries, containing thousands of tablets, all silent on the subject.

There are other problems. From internal evidence it is clear that the story was composed in the 5th or 6th century, some 700 to 800 years after the time in which the story is placed. The author(s) knew nothing of the Egypt of the 19th Dynasty. The story does have the Hebrews working in the "store-city of Rameses" and that is sometimes said to be a reference to Piramesse. But Piramesse was Ramesses' residence and Egyptians did not have store cities, which were a Canaanite usage. Many of the subplots (Moses in the basket, the various miracles of Moses, even the parting of the sea) were common folk tales of the region, much older than Exodus.

41 posted on 06/12/2003 8:30:00 PM PDT by Seti 1
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To: VaBthang4
Cornuke and Williams are both hustlers. Anything with their names attached to it is suspect. Alot of the things they claimed to have found actually were found by Ron Wyatt...Cornuke and Williams both knew this but tried to pawn of discoveries as their own.

Whoever found what, the important thing is to find the facts and to get them out. Who knows what someone knew or didn't know anyway.

42 posted on 06/12/2003 8:46:11 PM PDT by Bellflower
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To: Seti 1
"Many of the subplots (Moses in the basket, the various miracles of Moses, even the parting of the sea) were common folk tales of the region, much older than Exodus."

I think it even turns up in the Gilgamesh writings. In fact, I think the same story was told about Gilgamesh, or something close to it.

43 posted on 06/12/2003 8:57:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: VaBthang4
Israel's enemies have a long and distinguished history of completely fabricating or erasing history that doesnt flow with their own lie.

Unlike the history of the Israelites in the Old Testament which is brutally honest and very often self denigrating.

44 posted on 06/12/2003 9:03:13 PM PDT by Bellflower
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To: dogbyte12; blam
There is no record of it. It would be wonderful if there were some documentation of the Exodus. The Egyptians liked to brag about everything they did militarily, even if the campaign wasn't so great.

All perished when the Red Sea covered them. No Egyptian soldier was left to tell what happened, which suggests that the Pharaoh also perished. Exodous 14:28

There should be something along the lines of "The great Pharoah chased the Jews out of the country. The Gods were pleased with the cleansing of the country"

Something, anything. If there is a scroll, an inscription, anything in Egypt that suggests a couple million people took off, I would like to know about it.

There may be such a record in hieroglyphics, much of which is still untranslated, and some of which was destroyed by both man and nature.

Historically the Pharaoh at the time of the Exodous is thought to have been Amunhotep II, son of Thutmose III(18th Dynasty~1440BC) or Rameses II, son of Seti I(19th Dynasty~1290BC)...and now I see that Blam has found evidence of a 16th Dynasty possibility.

45 posted on 06/12/2003 9:39:50 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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To: Seti 1
Maybe God doesn't care for you to believe the Biblical account.

You'll have to admit that it's an interesting possibility.

46 posted on 06/13/2003 7:28:33 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: blam
Interesting, Thanks
47 posted on 06/13/2003 7:31:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Here's to Hillary's book sinking like the Clinton 2000 economy)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
"and now I see that Blam has found evidence of a 16th Dynasty possibility."

A number of people believe there are errors in the Kings List. Most of the dating is dependent on this list.

48 posted on 06/13/2003 9:01:42 AM PDT by blam
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To: VaBthang4
That looks like the Nevada or California desert. Not knowing any better, I would have immediately identified it as such. The geology and climate are essentially identical.
49 posted on 06/13/2003 9:06:18 AM PDT by tortoise (Dance, little monkey! Dance!)
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To: Bellflower
I understand your point, but finding facts includes the individuals involved and the "facts" surrounding their input.
Those two [Cornuke & Williams] are bogus. They've pulled the wool over alot of Christian eyes and made a pretty penny doing it. They are both liars at worst and at best exremely disengenuous.

However, I agree with your point that getting the facts out is important. Equally important is identifying the spinmeisters and excuse makers participating in this thread.

:o)
50 posted on 06/13/2003 9:11:50 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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