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THE MEDICARE DRUG BILL: An Impending Disaster For All Americans
The Heritage Foundation ^ | June 13, 2003 | by Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D.

Posted on 06/14/2003 12:03:32 AM PDT by Uncle Bill

THE MEDICARE DRUG BILL: An Impending Disaster For All Americans

The Heritage Foundation
By Stuart M. Butler, Ph.D.
June 13, 2003


Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institute - a think tank - whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

With the support of the Bush Administration, or at least with the White House’s passive acquiesce, Congress appears on course to enacting a huge new entitlement aimed at middle-income Americans. President Bush likely will sign whatever bill emerges. And as President Clinton’s Medicare administrator puts it “In signing it, as he will surely be forced to do, he will preside over the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.”

The legislation makes a mockery of sensible budget control or prudent reform. Rather than combining steps to help some seniors with reforms to the unsustainable finances of the Medicare program, Congress’ “reforms” will reduce choice and innovation and impose staggering financial burdens on our children and grandchildren.

No Fixed Budget = Massive Tax Burdens
Congressional proponents of the legislation maintain that the new drug benefit will cost $400 billion over the next 10 years. This of course is merely a guess. Since the program is an entitlement there is no fixed budget. Moreover, the evidence from both the private and public sectors in recent years suggests that future costs are likely to exceed projections. But even if they are accurate it is not the next 10 years that matter. It is the years after that when the full force of the Baby Boom generation hits Medicare and Social Security. Within 15 years Medicare already faces a Niagara Falls of red ink. Adding a drug benefit without serious reforms and constraints on future spending means massive tax burdens on generation to come.

The bill is needed, say leaders of both parties, to help seniors who face heavy prescription drug costs. To be sure, many lower-income elderly do need help. But today about three-quarters of all seniors already have private insurance against onerous costs, and the pricing of that insurance does force seniors to strike a prudent balance between desire and cost.

Unconscionable Approach
It makes sense for our society to provide assistance targeted toward those who still face heavy burdens, chiefly because of their income. But Congress’ approach would institute a government-sponsored drug program for all Medicare recipients, not just those who need help. For several reasons that approach is unconscionable.

First, there will be powerful incentives for current and future middle-income seniors to forego private insurance protection at realistic prices in favor of government-sponsored drug coverage at subsidized prices. Moreover, corporations and other entities facing high retiree health benefits will soon find creative ways to shift retire drug costs to the taxpayer. The result: taxpayer costs will rise further.

Second, proponents are naïve when they claim that seniors will have many choices of coverage under the legislation – private plans as well as traditional Medicare benefits. Hard lessons from the past, combined with likely design requirements in the final bill, suggest that few private plans will join the program. Mass withdrawals of plans from the existing Medicare+Choice program show what happens when Congress imposes regulations and controls in an effort to cut costs. And in an effort to curb a surge in spending, the government will no doubt gradually tighten regulations on any private plans that do join the drug program, leading to fewer and fewer private plans. It remains to be seen how seniors will respond to this. But when Congress last tried to provide a drug benefit that jeopardized coverage many seniors already had – in 1988 – the backlash was so severe that Congress repealed the legislation within a few months.

Third, despite claims that the new program is modeled after Congress’ own health program, which includes drug coverage, nothing could be further from the truth. The Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP) is open to virtually any private plan or insurer meeting some basic benefit requirements and consumer protections. Premiums for these plans vary and reflect the benefits included in the plans, and federal workers choose from among many competing plans.

No Serious Reforms, Fuels Taxpayer Costs
By contrast, Congress will determine the benefits in the legislation moving through Congress, and the government will decide how many of the lowest bidding preferred provider plans will be permitted to offer coverage to seniors in any area. Moreover, because Congress would take a prominent role in influencing prices and benefits – unlike in the FEHBP – the political dynamics would work in the same way as they do today in Medicare. Politicians would be under relentless pressure to keep prices down for their constituents, while drug companies, doctors and seniors would press for ever-more generous coverage. The result: larger and larger subsidies and costs to future generations. Thus not only does the legislation contain no serious reforms to control costs without undermining quality, it actually fuels taxpayer costs.

President Bush and congressional leaders had an opportunity to combine help for some Americans in genuine need with sensible reforms so that our children and grandchildren might look forward to an affordable and high-quality Medicare program. With the looming political and financial juggernaut of the Baby Boom generation approaching retirement, this legislation probably is the last opportunity for hard decisions. But rather that taking a firm leadership role in the legislative process, President Bush elected instead to send Congress a framework and then invited lawmakers to fill in the details. The result was predictable. The process is fast becoming a political feeding frenzy, in which short-term partisan advantage trumps responsible action. While today’s politicians may reap the benefits, it is future generations who will have to pay for this unforgivable failure of leadership.
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Bush Urges Congress To Add Drug Coverage To Medicare

"Republicans and Democrats have distracted us with unending battles between haves and have-nots for decades. Over the same period, they have bankrupted the country,"
Source

Senate Panel Adds Drug Benefits in Medicare Overhaul - June 13, 2003
"An influential Senate committee tonight approved the biggest expansion of Medicare in its 38-year history, with an overwhelming bipartisan vote to add prescription drug benefits....The bill would increase federal spending by $400 billion.."

Bush Urges Congress to Deliver on Prescription Drugs for Medicare

Of Medical Marxism


THE REAL FISCAL DANGER

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/danger.html

"The current system is financially unsustainable."


THE BUSH/GOP SMALL LIMITED GOVERNMENT SPENDING PRINCIPLES


Is the Tax Cut for Real?
"The Bush administration inherited a federal budget of $1.86 trillion, and now proposes to spend $2.3 trillion in 2004, for a whopping 23.6 percent increase in federal spending in this short period. The Bush presidency has far outspent Clinton's in every category. As Cato's Chris Edwards says, "[B]ased on his first three budgets, President Bush is the biggest spending president in decades." To close the gap between spending and revenue, said a report commissioned by the US Treasury, would require an "immediate and permanent 66 percent across-the-board income tax increase."


President George W. Bush - Biography

SOURCE: http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html

"George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. Formerly the 46th Governor of the State of Texas, President Bush has earned a reputation as a compassionate conservative who shapes policy based on the principles of limited government,..."


DON'T BE FOOLED AGAIN

HOW CONSERVATIVE IS PRESIDENT BUSH?


Is the United States flat-out broke? Feds deny report
"the government's debt is actually "a mind-numbing $43 trillion,"

HOW BIG IS THE GOVERNMENT'S DEBT?


"Congress isn't saying no to anybody right now," said Riedl. "Federal spending per American household is now at $21,000 annually."

Increased Spending, Deficit Produce Political Danger for GOP


Honey, don't you think
it's great how President Bush
and Congress have spending and fiscal
responsibility under control. Yes, did you see
Laura kiss the President today?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News
KEYWORDS: bush; healthcare; heritage; heritagefoundation; meanstest; medicare; prescriptiondrugs; prescriptions; socialism; socialsecurity; welfare
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To: Uncle Bill
Howdy Unc.

BTTT.

51 posted on 06/14/2003 4:06:16 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: TLBSHOW
About Free Republic

What is our mission?

"A return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues. This will also require that social programs such as Social Security, welfare and Medicare be repealed."

Repealing Medicare? Hahahahahahahaha!

George W. Bush and the GOP. Repealing Medicare by spending $400 Billion at a time. Think big. Think strategy. Don't be a malcontent. Vote Bush. The collapse depends on it.

52 posted on 06/14/2003 4:12:02 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Hey, howdy, hope all is well. Regards, UB.
53 posted on 06/14/2003 4:18:13 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
"Now I know why Bush and Blair get along so well. Both are socialist."

Storming the gates, repealing Medicare by spending $400 billion at a time. Strategy. Think strategy. LOL!

54 posted on 06/14/2003 4:21:19 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
"A return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues. This will also require that social programs such as Social Security, welfare and Medicare be repealed."

1999

Jim Robinson wrote a great FreeRepublic Mission there.

WOW

Now on to stopping socialism and bringing the mission of FR to fruitation.
55 posted on 06/14/2003 4:25:34 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TLBSHOW; RLK; Mortimer Snavely
"Jim Robinson wrote a great FreeRepublic Mission there."

Yeah, it's a great mission statement. Now all we need is a new president who really believes it, a new Congress who really believes it, a new Supreme Court who really believes it, and Americans checking in somewhere for a socialist lobotomy so we could really pursue the mission to restore the Republic. As it stands now, it's all meaningless. I mean, check out post #49. Good grief.

We're All Marxists Now

Bush OKs Medicaid money for condoms

The following should ring loud and clear now, even for the deaf, dumb, and blind:

REPUBLICAN CRYPTO-SOCIALISM - Alan Keyes - February 26, 1999
"What do I mean by "crypto-socialist"? It's actually quite simple. I mean hidden socialism. The basic principle of socialism is government control and domination of society. Things which tend in that direction are socialist by nature. Things which tend to return power, responsibility and control to people themselves -- as individuals, in their businesses, and in their families and communities -- are what oppose socialism and promote the agenda of self-government.

Many so-called conservatives today put forth policies which, when examined, turn out to contribute to the consolidation of government control and domination of the society. Whether it be targeted tax cuts, educational approaches that emphasize government dictation of standards, or other encroachments on our liberty, these policies are socialist in principle even when "conservatives" or "Republicans" propose them.

...The Republican crypto-socialists are more devious. They pretend that they actually want to give us something. Who wouldn't want a tax cut? But then when we examine the real body of the policy, it turns out to be socialist in nature because it serves the socialist objective, which is government control. And to that extent, "conservative" proponents of such policies are misleading us. They are hiding a socialist agenda in what they hope will be the appealing guise of tax cut language that will fool us into giving it our support.

One of the questions that I fear faces us in American politics these days is the possibility that both parties, or at least the leadership in both parties, serves the agenda of government control and domination. It appears that to the extent the Republicans professed for a long time not to serve that agenda, it was because they did not feel they had sufficient control of the key elements of the apparatus of power. When they got control of the Congress, they started to identify more with the interests of government itself. And now, for instance, they are doing things like proposing big boosts in federal education spending over the next five years, thereby consolidating the role of the federal establishment in education. Such moves totally repudiate the agenda that they professed to stand for as they courted our votes and we moved them into majority status in the Congress.

The true opposition in American politics appears to be between the socialists and the crypto-socialists. And this isn't much of a choice, is it? It is between the socialists who are open about their espousal of government control and power, and the socialists who are hidden in their allegiance to that principle, and try to put some other face on it. They are serving the socialist principle, but they are putting conservative clothes on the grotesque body of socialism to try to hide from us what is really going on."

56 posted on 06/14/2003 5:14:25 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
Bushbot #1: "Looks like the DUmmies have come out to play."

Bushbot #2: "Hey Uncle Bill, are you actually Bill Clinton's uncle?"

Bushbot #3: "You stupid neocons just don't get it. This is all part of Bush's 'strategery.' You know how Republicans are with the media. Bush is just appeasing the media and THEN when he's safely reelected he'll roll back the New Deal and Great Society."

Bushbot #2: "Yeah, some people just don't have faith in Bush."

57 posted on 06/14/2003 5:33:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hang in there. It's all a secret well thought out plan that no one can understand but them. Shake pom poms, shake pom poms, shake pom poms......

bushbot
A fractal droid, a flexible robot structure, where each manipulator branches off into smaller copies of itself, forming a fractal tree over many scales (usually down to the nanoscale). Each branch contains a distributed system to calculate movement and minimize central processing. Many S1 entities use a mobile bushbot to interface with in ril.

George W. Bush and the GOP. Repealing Medicare by spending $400 Billion at a time. Think big. Think strategy. Don't be a malcontent. Vote Bush. The collapse depends on it.

58 posted on 06/14/2003 5:57:04 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
Homeland spending bill approved in closed session - June 13, 2003
The House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee Thursday approved a $29.4 billion fiscal 2004 appropriations bill during a closed session,...

"After a 9-7 party-line vote to close the meeting, the panel approved the spending bill by voice vote, according to a committee spokesman who declined to provide any other information about what occurred during the closed session."



Globalization Is Here- Why Fight It? - By April Shenandoah - June 9, 2003
"We are basically living under Communism unawares! Though we are still flying the American flag the One World Government and the globalization of Socialism/Communism is upon us."

59 posted on 06/14/2003 5:58:10 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
Trading A Constitutional Republic For Big Brother
"Conservatives would have us believe that President Bush and the Republican Party are working to reverse the rush toward bigger and bigger government. They aren't. In fact, Bush and Company are putting the pedal to the metal when it comes to promoting a bigger-than-ever federal system."


Both Parties Are Weighed In Balance And Found Lying

By Chuck Baldwin

Food For Thought From The Chuck Wagon

June 13, 2003
Source

When it comes to deceiving the public, it is obvious that neither political party has a monopoly: both are equally duplicitous.

For example, Democrats shamelessly lied and covered up for President Bill Clinton when reports of unethical behavior surfaced. They even attempted to sabotage and disrupt investigations into Clinton's unlawful conduct. With the help of a complicit attorney general and a cowardly Republican Senate, Democrats put Clinton above the law, above the U.S. Constitution, and even above the laws of decency. Of course, to date there has been no lawful satisfaction for the criminal activities of the Clinton presidency.

However, now that Republicans are in charge of the entire federal government, they are in essence doing the very things that were done by their Democratic counterparts. Cover-up and deception have become the norm for Republicans.

Consider America's attack against Iraq. President Bush's entire case against Iraq was its purported stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). We were repeatedly told that the United States must attack Iraq before it attacked us. Therefore, on Bush's word, America launched its first-ever preemptive and unprovoked attack against a sovereign nation.

Now, everyone knows Bush either exaggerated the facts or lied about them altogether. There have been no WMD's found, and searchers are doubtful they even exist.

At the same time, President Bush blasted Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for attacking high ranking Palestinian leaders who have masterminded terrorist attacks against Israel. Talk about hypocrisy! How can Bush condemn Israel for protecting itself against enemies next door when he sends the American army half way around the world to kill Saddam Hussein and drive his government from power, even though Iraq posed virtually no threat to the U.S.?

Beyond that, the Republican Party is currently working feverishly to squash any investigation into the intelligence work that caused Bush to launch his unilateral attack against Iraq. Does anyone not understand that no investigation amounts to a cover-up?

If the evidence is as legitimate as President Bush has consistently maintained, it would seem that he and his fellow Republicans would relish the opportunity for an investigation to substantiate their claims. As it is, the credibility and honesty of this White House and Congress is seriously suspect.

The American people have no choice when they are forced to choose between Republican liars and deceivers and Democratic liars and deceivers. It is for this very reason that the American people must hold their elected officials to the restraints of the U.S. Constitution.

If Congress had been faithful to their oath of office, they would never have allowed the President to unilaterally wage war. Only Congress can legally wage war. By Congress refusing to do its duty to investigate the facts and to declare war on the basis of those facts, the war against Iraq became George W. Bush's war, not America's war.

And now, the same cowardly Congress that refused to do its duty under the Constitution, is deliberately covering up any investigation into the facts of the matter. Perhaps they know that the facts did not then and do not now justify what Bush did. Not only is this not good government, it is dishonest government!

Maybe one day the American people will grow out of their robotic loyalty to the two major parties and begin to demand that whoever is in office abides by the laws that govern his or her conduct, namely, the Constitution of the United States. Only faithful adherence to the Constitution can keep government honest.

As it is now, neither political party nor the American people seem remotely interested in promoting honest government. It seems they would rather be led by clever liars than governed by the Constitution. As a result, we are only a step away from constitutional government being replaced with the rule of brute force.

60 posted on 06/14/2003 6:08:49 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
Health system faces collapse in L.A. - The Washington Times
"Federal officials, meanwhile, complain that California sets its reimbursement rate for federal programs such as Medicare too low. Raising that state rate would immediately bring in extra federal money, because Washington matches the state contribution.

But beyond all that lies an even touchier issue, one that officials don't like to even discuss — the role of immigrants in the county's crisis. Although no one is sure how many of the uninsured are recent immigrants, everyone says many are. Some of those are illegal."

61 posted on 06/14/2003 7:07:06 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Fred Mertz
ping

The House Homeland Security Appropriations Subcommittee Thursday approved a $29.4 billion fiscal 2004 appropriations bill during a closed session,...
62 posted on 06/14/2003 7:19:26 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TLBSHOW
Why health care is so costly (Schlafly - Illegal Aliens)

U.S. Social Security for Mexicans? - Phyllis Schlafly

Hooyah!

"Payroll taxes to fund Medicare Part A (hospital insurance) have increased 36 times (26 increases in the applicable tax base and 10 increases in the tax rate). Nevertheless, Medicare is now facing bankruptcy. Government has no remedies except higher taxes, price controls, adding more costly benefits and even rationing."
Phyllis Schlafly

63 posted on 06/14/2003 7:30:12 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
It makes sense for our society to provide assistance targeted toward those who still face heavy burdens, chiefly because of their income

No it doesn't.

64 posted on 06/14/2003 7:32:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
"No it doesn't."

Agreed. Thanks for at least reading it. I was wondering if anyone would notice that. He just slipped that in. ((((Loud clapping)))). So many want so bad for their version of socialism and big government to work. It never has, it never will.

65 posted on 06/14/2003 7:54:39 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
bump
66 posted on 06/14/2003 8:04:52 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: TLBSHOW
"The bill would bring about the largest expansion in benefits in Medicare's 38-year history, for the first time offering all 40 million people in the program subsidies for prescription drugs." - June 14, 2003

Isn't all this limited government by George W. Bush and the Republican Congress exciting?

67 posted on 06/14/2003 8:05:15 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
Isn't all this limited government by George W. Bush and the Republican Congress exciting?

LOL

Yep what a ride.........
68 posted on 06/14/2003 8:19:54 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
bttt
69 posted on 06/14/2003 8:46:27 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Uncle Bill
Some more of that limited government from the GOP I've grown to love (sarcasm)
70 posted on 06/14/2003 8:52:38 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Sparta
Hi Sparta. Their accounting is very limited too. Whew!

Click me

71 posted on 06/14/2003 9:07:26 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill; TLBSHOW; Inspector Harry Callahan; Joe Montana
Excellent thread, Uncle Bill.

This reminds me of an old friend who died last year of cancer at age 76. I visited him at home about a month before he passed away. He was on the couch and couldn't really walk without assistance but his mind and eyes were sharp. Fortunately, he had some sort of insurance and had his younger brother present to look after him.

He was telling me about all the drugs and chemo-therapy he had to take and go through. Then he told his brother to grab him that bottle of pills that were supposed to help him eat or assist his sense of taste. He held the bottle in his hand for me to see and said, "See this bottle of pills, it's supposed to help me eat and I can't eat sh*t. It cost $500.00 for a one month supply."

He knew what the value of 500 dollars was from long ago; he probably could have bought a small farm way back then for it.

My observation of this is that whenever the gummint sticks its nose into things, prices and costs skyrocket. Thanks for listening to my little rant.

72 posted on 06/14/2003 9:09:25 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: TLBSHOW; Uncle Bill
Your falling for it again; you never learn. The parallels are staring you in the face and you are taking the bait and getting hooked.

Bush 41 presides over biggest tax increase in history.


Bush 43 presides over the biggest expansion of government health benefits since the Great Society.

In '92, "Conservatives" abandon Bush 41 and either didn't vote for him or voted for Perot as an alternative.


In '04, "Conservatives" abandon Bush 43 and either don't vote for him or vote for a Perot-type alternative.

In '92, Clinton gets elected and shows us what a real tax increase looks like, and gets reelected.


In '04, Clinton gets elected and shows us what a real expansion healt care is by implementing Universal Health Care and the taxes necessary to pay for it, and gets reelected.

"Conservatives" blame Bush 41 for their stupidity.


"Conservatives" blame Bush 43 for their stupidity.

Thanks, "Conservatives", for screwing us in '92.


Thanks in advance, "Conservatives", for screwing us again in '04.
73 posted on 06/14/2003 9:15:54 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Fred Mertz
"My observation of this is that whenever the gummint sticks its nose into things, prices and costs skyrocket."

That is the key. Everything they touch turns to unaccountable sewer water. It smells the same, no matter what political party ditch it flows from. And was predicted over and over by our wise founding fathers.

"Nothing is more permanent as a temporary government program."
Milton Friedman

Best regards, UB.

74 posted on 06/14/2003 9:20:17 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: KBtry4-11
" And shame on you for thinking about yourself..."who is going to pay mine..?" WHINER!!"

I too have older parents who are in their upper 70's and need to have help with their pills.....luckly, a few years ago they got connected up with the VA since they are both veterans and it really helps a lot...

don't lecture me about health care and the elderly....I am an RN and have been for almost 30 yrs....

I know exactly what some elderly people are up against....those who did not get wonderful pensions (like my folks) and those that can not get supplemental insurance..

So some elderly need help with prescriptions?...Fine...lets help them....

but most do not...

I should not have to pay for rich people, for those living off the younger, working generations like they were kings and queens, and I should not have to pay to keep people alive or pay for their presciptions when they continue to smoke, drink, overeat, refuse to take what medications are prescribed, or indulge in too much over the counter self-medicating ( laxative abuse among the elderly is a huge problem and leads to many other problems...

One thing that this free drug bill will do will make all prescriptions hugely expensive for the rest of us..

I will gladly help my folks, but with one eye I am looking out for my kids...

75 posted on 06/14/2003 9:36:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: KBtry4-11
Oh...and by the way....it is not my job to protect the inheritances of wealthy elderly so their kids can have a "legacy"...

legacies should be spent keeping those people alive, if that 's what they desire...

I can tell you stories of how older children screw the system in reguards to their elder parents....just so there will be money left over for THEM....

are you one of those?

76 posted on 06/14/2003 9:39:14 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Uncle Bill
Steve Forbes--How Bush Can Defeat the Naysayers
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3323a82f60.htm

Medicare. The nation's new chief executive should approach Democratic Sen. John Breaux to chair a task force. This panel could pick up where Mr. Breaux left off in 1999 with recommendations from the National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare. It could also further explore the bill Mr. Breaux co-sponsored with Republican Sen. Bill Frist that would allow seniors to opt out of traditional Medicare to join a plan resembling that of federal employees, which has an array of benefit choices. In addition, this plan would pay for prescription drugs, fully supplementing seniors who have incomes less than 35% above the poverty level.
http://www.issues2000.org/Steve_Forbes_Health_Care.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/More_Steve_Forbes_Health_Care.htm
77 posted on 06/14/2003 9:51:33 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Coleus
About Free Republic

http://www.freerepublic.com/about.htm

What is our mission?

"A return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues.


This will also require that social programs such as Social Security, welfare and

Medicare be repealed."
78 posted on 06/14/2003 9:59:55 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Consort; TLBSHOW
Ohhhhhhh, the distress of it all. We're falling for it again. The tragedy of it all. We have the choice between a socialist and a socialist. What will we do, what will we do? Do we want a huge government or a huge government? Do we want uncontrolled spending or uncontrolled spending? Do we want ever increasing high taxes or ever increasing high taxes? Do we want uncontrolled regulations or uncontrolled regulations? Do we want open borders or open borders? Do we want socialized medicine or socialized medicine? Do we want an unaccountable government or an unaccountable government? Do we want the Republicans to trash the Constitution or Democrats to trash the Constitution? Do we want the collapse of the rule of the law or the collapse of the rule of law? Do we want liars or liars? Do we want the political elephant dung behind door number 1 or the political donkey dung behind door number 2? Shovelers of the world unite!!


George W. Bush and the GOP. Repealing Medicare by spending $400 Billion on Medicare one bill at a time. Think big. Think strategy. Don't be a malcontent. Vote Bush. The collapse depends on it.

79 posted on 06/14/2003 10:39:56 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Coleus
Exactly, just another Republican who loves socialism. That's our choice. A socialist or a socialist. When you see politicans secretly leaving the country for fear, know that Medicare is almost fixed.
80 posted on 06/14/2003 10:44:58 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill; Fred Mertz; Inspector Harry Callahan; nunya bidness
Ohhhhhhh, the distress of it all. We're falling for it again. The tragedy of it all. We have the choice between a socialist and a socialist. What will we do, what will we do? Do we want a huge government or a huge government? Do we want uncontrolled spending or uncontrolled spending? Do we want ever increasing high taxes or ever increasing high taxes? Do we want uncontrolled regulations or uncontrolled regulations? Do we want open borders or open borders? Do we want socialized medicine or socialized medicine? Do we want an unaccountable government or an unaccountable government? Do we want the Republicans to trash the Constitution or Democrats to trash the Constitution? Do we want the collapse of the rule of the law or the collapse of the rule of law? Do we want liars or liars? Do we want the political elephant dung behind door number 1 or the political donkey dung behind door number 2? Shovelers of the world unite!!

SLAM


81 posted on 06/14/2003 10:48:12 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Uncle Bill
Don't repeat the problem. You left out your solution. Or someone elses solution. Or any solution. If you have a solution, you're a hero. If not, you're a whiner.
82 posted on 06/14/2003 10:51:43 PM PDT by Consort
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To: TLBSHOW; Uncle Bill
Oh, another repeat of the problem without the solution. You bad-to-worse whining liberal enablers are doing a real job on this country.
83 posted on 06/14/2003 10:55:38 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
The solution has been posted at Free Republic by Jim Robinson. Have you read it?
84 posted on 06/14/2003 10:57:47 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Consort
Don't blame Uncle Bill for pointing out the turd in the punch bowl. Blame the person who put it there. And then form a committee, raise money, assign people, and pluck it out. Shouldn't cost more than $2 or 3 billion, tops.
85 posted on 06/14/2003 11:06:24 PM PDT by nunya bidness (It's not an assault weapon, it's a Homeland Defense Rifle.)
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To: Uncle Bill; TLBSHOW
Have you read it?

Yes, it's here and I agree with it. Do both of you?

86 posted on 06/14/2003 11:15:46 PM PDT by Consort
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To: TLBSHOW
Now I know why Bush and Blair get along so well. Both are socialist.

Yeah! Thats the Ticket.....

Ouy Vey TLB......
87 posted on 06/14/2003 11:21:27 PM PDT by cmsgop (Has anyone seen my Schwab ?)
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To: Consort
No, no, no. That's the party politics that obviously has never worked, ever. That's why we're getting huge big socialist spending by Republicans and Democrats who trash the Constitution and freedom daily. I'm talking about the solution to restoring the Republic. It's right here on this site in black and white, posted by Jim Robinson. Have you read it? It's beautiful.
88 posted on 06/14/2003 11:27:17 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
Oh, that beautiful one. I'm going to read it again first thing tomorrow.
89 posted on 06/14/2003 11:31:19 PM PDT by Consort
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To: TLBSHOW
Medicare Drug Coverage and the Cost of Irresponsibility
"When your wages are falling, your rent is rising and the car's in the shop, you know it's time to get control of the family budget. Congress and the president got the news last week that the federal deficit will reach a record $400 billion this year. So they wasted no time agreeing on what to do: spend more money.

If these people had been with Custer at Little Bighorn, they would have invited more Indians.

Washington politicians often resemble Oscar Wilde, who said he could resist anything except temptation. As the fiscal picture gets more and more terrifying, our leaders have gotten more and more profligate. The latest exercise in irresponsibility is the push to provide Medicare recipients with coverage for prescription drugs, a desirable benefit that no one has figured out how to pay for.

...Instead of scouring the budget for every possible way to conserve cash, though, the administration and Congress are holding a contest to see who can throw away the most money in the shortest time. Federal spending has ballooned by 20 percent in the last three years alone.

...The prescription drug benefit approved by the Senate Finance Committee Thursday, the biggest enlargement of Medicare since its creation in 1965, would cost an estimated $400 billion over the next decade. Republican Sen. Don Nickles of Oklahoma, chairman of the Budget Committee, predicts it may be double that amount.

...A lot of Republicans tell us the deficit is useful because it forces our leaders to do something about excess spending. Judging from this bill, our leaders have figured out exactly what to do: enjoy it."


What Tax Cut? You're Paying More

Republican governors mimic democrats (Spare us, might as well vote for the real thing)Cal Thomas

Bush budget contains $10 in new spending for every dollar in tax cuts

BUSH COMPROMISES ON TAX CUT


SOCIALISM: The Forbidden Ideology

The New Share Croppers

90 posted on 06/15/2003 1:49:16 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
A MAJOR MEDICARE EXPANSION - Congress takes up prescription-drug benefits in what may be the biggest enlargement of social services in years

Socialists Unite!

91 posted on 06/15/2003 2:09:57 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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Comment #92 Removed by Moderator

To: FITZ
"HEALTH CARE - The federal entitlement to Medicare should be abolished"

"Return to a strictly Constitutional form of federal government will automatically repeal and abolish all unconstitutional federal involvement in states issues such as: crime, health, education, welfare and the environment. The Tenth Amendment will again be in effect, which will bar all federal attempts at legislating social issues. This will also require that social programs such as Social Security, welfare and Medicare be repealed. So too, will most federal subsidies."

- OR -

"But I, for one, believe that the one thing this country can and should do is provide GOOD health care for us -- all of us."
16 Posted on 09/23/2000 09:09:07 PDT by Howlin

"Are you just too dense to realize that there ARE some things that the government should do?"
24 Posted on 10/06/2000 11:47:14 PDT by Howlin
Source

93 posted on 06/15/2003 7:06:30 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
What Happened To Limited Government? (Why go along with democrats and liberalism?) Rush Limbaugh
rushlimbaugh ^ | May 21, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 05/21/2003 7:52 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

What Happened To Limited Government?

The calls I took on Tuesday from guys in their 30's asking what happened to calls for limited government on our side have turned out to be quite prescient, folks - yet apparently they went unheard. Yes, as you can hear in the audio links below, the conservative intelligentsia in Washington D.C. (who only talk to other people inside the Beltway), doesn't think our 20 or 30 million strong EIB family exists and that nobody is making the argument for limited government. They see incremental liberalism (40% of what liberals want) as the new way in Washington.

A memo by Reagan official Donald J. Devine of the American Conservative Union: "Journalistic conservatism is silent about this growth of government, which is especially fueled by neoconservative dreams of empire and which threatens the whole project of American liberty." So fear not those of you who have gotten mad at me for criticizing the Bush administration and GOP Congress for spending more and growing government on the education bill, farm bill, etc., and saying that conservatives should be outraged that the federal budget spends $2.3 trillion a year. Apparently what I say doesn't matter.

Devine claims that "most conservative pressure ends up as simple cheerleading for the White House." I have said that Republicans are spending right along with Democrats, and that the president has gone along with them. I have demanded to know how in the world $50 billion in tax cuts so far equals a $400 billion deficit, yet spending $2.3 trillion somehow has no role in it - especially when tax cuts increase revenue. (See: dynamic scoring) I have said that the more of our money the government spends, the less money we have to spend and reminded everyone that CFR is an attack on the First Amendment and that the Constitution limits what government can do, not what individuals can do.

The Founding Fathers, in their infinite wisdom, saw the need to leave all journalists alone - not just the New York Times, but the National Enquirer and guys like James Callendar who smeared for and against Thomas Jefferson. Ralph Z. Hallow cites this Divine memo and others in his Washington Times column headlined: "Activists on the Right Fear a Waning Influence." He makes this point that there is "nobody" carrying the banner for limited government. He cites conservatives who urged Bush to fight for Senate confirmation of judicial nominees, even those "moderates" from the Clinton administration.

That was the "new tone," and I've ripped it from day one! (But apparently I'm not heard in the Beltway.) I've said that you're nuts if you think you can get along with liberals. I guess people like you and me don't matter until it's election time - and then these Beltway blowhards come calling hat in hand and act like what you want matters. Since it's too far from Election Day, they just talk to each other and decide that they're all that matters. If only I had an address inside the hallowed boundaries of I-495, I could be a voice that the self-appointed conservative intellectuals would recognize. What a bizarre piece. Clearly these guys never heard that so long as I'm here, it doesn't matter where "here" is.


94 posted on 06/15/2003 9:42:19 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: TLBSHOW
There are poor souls on this site that actually really believe that Bush is pulling the wagon "incrementally" towards the correct goal line. He's not only NOT pulling the wagon "incrementally" towards the right direction, he's steering a high speed luxury liner toward the socialist abyss.

Bush Incrementalism

Vote Bush. Presciption drugs for everybody

95 posted on 06/15/2003 10:03:16 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Howlin
You might want to see what Uncle Bill has posted at #93.
96 posted on 06/15/2003 10:04:34 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
HillaryCare Howlin has seen it many times. Big deal. They're her very own words. She stands behind them. Howlin is a HillaryCare socialist. Are you just catching up?
97 posted on 06/15/2003 10:09:08 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill; Howlin
First, I think it's incredibly tacky to post someone's quotes without pinging them.

Secondly, what does Howlin's opinion have to do with anything? Is she setting national policy now?

98 posted on 06/15/2003 10:14:08 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
No, she just thinks she does. LOL!
99 posted on 06/15/2003 10:15:00 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Uncle Bill
You did it now...
100 posted on 06/15/2003 10:15:31 PM PDT by nunya bidness (It's not an assault weapon, it's a Homeland Defense Rifle.)
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