Italian Archaeologist: Anatolia - Home To First Civilization On Earth

Beku Today ^ | 6-20-2003

[blam]

Some things I know about this region:

* Linguists claim to have traced the origins of all Indo-European languages to this region.

* The fresh water Black Sea was flooded with salt water in 5,600BC. Some speculate that this was Noah's Flood.

* Mount Ararat, where Noah's Ark is supposed to have 'landed' is in the region.

* IMO, this region was inhabited by proto-Celtics in this period.

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You realize that even if he's right, the Islamophiles will never go for it. They've been cozying up the the Religion of Peace for a thousand years. Anti-Semitism is an integral part of EUropean culture. He's asking EUrope to give up it's most cherished notions about their favoritist almost-civilization, Islam.

[Sacajaweau]

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[Tacis]

This area is very close to what is now know as Turkish Occupied Kurdistan (TOK).

[ASA Vet]

And what if the underwater city off Cuba turns out to be Mu?

[blam]

I wonder how this bit of information fits into 'their' scheme of things?:

Rainforest Researchers Hit Paydirt (Farming 11K Years Ago In South America)

[Mike Darancette]

* The fresh water Black Sea was flooded with salt water in 5,600BC. Some speculate that this was Noah's Flood.

Think of the civilizations or the ruins thereof that were covered with water when the ocean entered the Black Sea. The Black sea gained something like 300' in depth in a very short time.

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...or this:

Lost Civilisation From 7,500BC Found Off Indian Coast

That's 9,500 years ago.

[blam]

"Think of the civilizations or the ruins thereof that were covered with water when the ocean entered the Black Sea. The Black sea gained something like 300' in depth in a very short time."

Yup. Ryan & Pittman, in their book, Noah's Flood, estimate that after the break-through, the water of the whole sea rose at the rate of one foot per day.
Most inhabitants would have been able to walk away with most of their animals and what-ever they could carry with them.
They think these hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of refugees streamed up the river valleys and spread farming and the Indo-European language all across Europe.

I've tried to connect these refugees to the 4,000 year old Caucasian mummies found in the Chinese desert. Some have even speculated that they are the same people who became the Ainu in ancient Japan (10K remain today) that replaced the previous Caucasian featured people there known as the Jomon.
BTW, the present day Ainu are the hairiest humans on earth.

[blam]

"And what if the underwater city off Cuba turns out to be Mu?"

The last I've heard about the under water 'city' off Cuba, is that the US state department has convinced The National Geographic Society to pull their $2 million pledge to the search due to the affiliation of the commusnist Cuban government to the group doing the search.

[blam]

"And what if the underwater city off Cuba turns out to be Mu?"

The last I've heard about the under water 'city' off Cuba, is that the US state department has convinced The National Geographic Society to pull their $2 million pledge to the search due to the affiliation of the commusnist Cuban government to the group doing the search.

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It doesn't fit at all. It'll therefore be buried. I've followed the bits and pieces of ancient farming techniques in South America since the first, tantalizing evidence began coming to light around 20 years ago. What happens is the scientific community winds up burying it, because it's outside of the generally accepted theories of the settling of this hemisphere. Science has become so institutionalized that field archeologists have an extrememly hard time getting the scientific establishment to give ANY credence to their ideas. One excuse for this inability to open up to new concepts is the cost of changinf textbooks...no kiddin'.

A case in point is the dinosaurs to birds theory, which took about 25 years to catch on...and though now it's widly accepted there's still a vocal camp that insists it can't possibly be true and Archaeopteryx is a hoax.

Dating civilization in this hemisphere is even worse. We have to get past the EUrocentric notion first of all that nobody set foot in land in this hemisphere more than 10,000 years ago, and they only did THAT by crossing the land bridge in the Bering Straights. Even our plant life is not allowed to be our own, according to conventional wisdom. If you look through the various plant species of North America, it appears that 9 out of 10 are native to EUrope - logic dictates there could have been no functional ecosystem then. So what did the people here live on? Rocks and dirt?? The whole thing is irrational.

This resistance to new evidence and new discoveries is really irritating. It's one of my pet peeves, because the whole debate is just too deeply tied in with politics, and science and politics do NOT mix.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Ancient man probably made it to the Americas by boat -- skirting the coast in search of seals and seafood -- not a trans-oceanic voyage. Just five miles a years would get people to Alaska and points south in practically no time. Such a feat would have been nothing to that the aboriginies, who made it to Australia by boat 60,000 years ago, when the narrowest gap betwen islands would have been 60 miles.

[ruoflaw]

60,000 years ago?

[Grand Old Partisan]

That's what I've read.

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"This resistance to new evidence and new discoveries is really irritating. It's one of my pet peeves, because the whole debate is just too deeply tied in with politics, and science and politics do NOT mix."

Thanks, you have just summed up one of my biggest irritations too. I constantly challenge the old 'camp.' Leaky declared decades ago that the Calico Site in California is 200,000 years old. (human artifacts)

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"Such a feat would have been nothing to that the aboriginies, who made it to Australia by boat 60,000 years ago, when the narrowest gap betwen islands would have been 60 miles."

How about Mungo Man, 68,000 years old modern human in Australia with DNA that does not relate to any humans alive today. Hmmmm

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Then there's 13,000 year old Arlington Springs Woman in California.

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"Ancient man probably made it to the Americas by boat -- skirting the coast in search of seals and seafood -- not a trans-oceanic voyage. Just five miles a years would get people to Alaska and points south in practically no time. Such a feat would have been nothing to that the aboriginies, who made it to Australia by boat 60,000 years ago, when the narrowest gap betwen islands would have been 60 miles"

That's the theory I've always subscribed to as the most likely. Of course, don't forget that the "10,000 year" limit was also vigorously applied to Aborigines until recently.

[ruoflaw]

That just boggles my mind....look at what little we know. We have only have a few pieces of a giant puzzle and there is so much more to be discovered.