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SCOTUS strikes down Texas sodomy ban
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Posted on 06/26/2003 7:08:23 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo

SCOTUS sided with the perverts.


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To: yonif
Amateur.
1,001 posted on 06/26/2003 12:29:28 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Most definately. the real perves will pounce on this one, but I doubt peds will be able to gather support for a law permitting child endangerment from any court in the land, even so, let the pendulum go too far and it will correct itself in good time.
1,002 posted on 06/26/2003 12:29:50 PM PDT by ffusco
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To: Liberal Classic
D'oh
1,003 posted on 06/26/2003 12:29:51 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Liberal Classic
Amateur.

I've always wanted to do that..:)

1,004 posted on 06/26/2003 12:30:09 PM PDT by yonif
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To: aristeides
Thanks, but I think you got the wrong poster. Did you mean that for me?
1,005 posted on 06/26/2003 12:30:45 PM PDT by HurkinMcGurkin
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To: HumanaeVitae
Exactly. And if you lived in a society that had the kind of moral rectitude that people would care enough about each other to engage in that kind of private charity, you would be living in a Christian society.

From my experience, Jews are also quite charitable. I also know a number of atheist people who are very generous with their time and money. I don’t personally know any charitable Buddhists, but I’m sure they’re out there.

I've never before heard anybody assert their religion has a monopoly on charitable expression.

1,006 posted on 06/26/2003 12:31:59 PM PDT by dead
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To: Thane_Banquo
If there is a right to privacy, what gives the government the right to come into my home and tell me whether or not I can own a gun that I never use against any human being?

Didn't you get the letter that firearms were different, and that part of the Constitution doesn't count ;-)

At the risk of going off topic even further, I think there is a widespread assault on privacy by the government. It's very subtle, and it's being conducted on many levels (from city/county upto and including federal).

This ruling on the sodomy law means nothing to the government. They are more interested in what you buy, who you talk to, where you travel, how you travel, what you look at online, etc. than what you physically do with another person in your own home.

I've said it before, but the more and more the government does, the more worried I am about sites like FR being branded as terrorist sites by a liberal government (FR = people who treasure the Constitution, like firearms, and speak out against the government - liberals' worst nightmare).

1,007 posted on 06/26/2003 12:32:53 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: jethropalerobber
imho, plenty of doubt. in fact, i'm willing to say you will _never_ get it passed by 2/3 of the senate or 3/4 of the states. you should have tried it 10 years ago - so it goes.

The 3/4 of the states should be no problem. 37 states already have a similar amendment on the books. That's one short of passage.

The 2/3 of the senate is the real hurdle. However, I have little doubt that once this issue goes national, the vote whores in that august body will care more about their careers than a handful of sodomites.

And even if such an amendment doens't pan out, guess what? No big deal. I already know how this all ends up. And it doesn't look good for the pro-buggery crowd...
1,008 posted on 06/26/2003 12:33:58 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: huck von finn
After martial law is declared, the masses will be rounded up and brought into large stadiums to watch nonstop episodes of "Sex and the City".
1,009 posted on 06/26/2003 12:34:13 PM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: VRWC_minion
"Birth control covers the birth problems. 16 is age of consent."

Hmm..still at it, I see. Yes, you can use birth control and avoid the problems of pregnancy, but it is still wrong to have sex with your daughter. Don't do it.

There's a couple in my community. They're in their 60's now, and have been together for over 40 years. They've never had any children, and are not married. They're brother and sister, and have lived as if they were married for all that time.

It's not known to many folks, since they naturally keep it to themselves, except to a few people they trust. Nice folks, too. Both were school teachers until their retirement, and were very good at their jobs. The kids really liked them, as do their neighbors. They're active in volunteer work now and seem quite happy in their lives.

What they've been doing all those years was illegal, but I've not seen that it harmed either of them. If you saw them, you'd think they were a model couple, and you'd never know.

Such relationships are far more common than you realize. But it's still wrong for you to want to have sex with your 16-year-old daughter. The age difference alone is enough to make it ill-advised. The legal issues, however, are insurmountable. She may consent now, but who knows what will happen down the road someday, and then you'll be in big, big trouble.

I think you should not do this.
1,010 posted on 06/26/2003 12:35:45 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: HumanaeVitae
Just because something is not outlawed does not mean it is not immoral. But if something is outlawed, then society is saying it is immoral. The standard of morality being employed may be flawed, but society's statement about whatever activity is outlawed is clear: it is wrong.
771 -HumanaeVitae-


Bullhockey. How is my owning an EEEEeeevil assualt rifle immoral/illegal in California.. but somehow not so here in Austin Texas?
795 -DC-


You didn't read my post. The people of Kalifornia are saying that ownership of assault rifles is wrong for some reason, i.e. you 'ought not' own one. That doesn't mean they're right. As I noted in my post.
-hv-


We ALL read your post. You clearly wrote:

"society's statement about whatever activity is outlawed is clear: it is wrong."

Thus, you are defending CA 'societys' statement that 'assault weapons' can be prohibited. -- Which is clearly unconstitutional.

Waffle all you like as to your personal intent, but you support societies ability to 'outlaw' property or immoral behaviors.

1,011 posted on 06/26/2003 12:36:30 PM PDT by tpaine (Really, I'm trying to be a 'decent human being', but me flesh is weak.)
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To: puroresu
Very well said!!!
1,012 posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:06 PM PDT by glory
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To: Antoninus
SCROTUS strikes down Texas sodomy ba.....
1,013 posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:09 PM PDT by autoresponder (. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
So, as I take it from your posts in this thread, you:

1. Watch homosexuals having sex in the bushes

2. Frequent homosexual chat boards, and

3. Read homosexual magazines ??

I'm sorry to have to say it, lady, but it looks as if you are the one with the agenda here.

1,014 posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:10 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: huck von finn
I'm still waiting for the posts with links about the movement within the gay community to eat lots and lots of fecal matter.
1,015 posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:41 PM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: CholeraJoe
Please bear in mind that I am neither gay nor liberal. I believe all human beings need to be treated with decency and compassion irrespective of their religion, skin color, health status or sexual orientation. To do otherwise conjures up images of swastikas and burning crosses.

First of all, it's insulting that you consider people who voluntarily and habitually put their penises in other people's anuses the moral equivalent of blacks, Indians, Catholics, Jews, or the disabled.

Second, do you feel that way about all "sexual minorities" as defined by homo-promo groups and some member of the American Psychiatric Association?
1,016 posted on 06/26/2003 12:37:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: HumanaeVitae
"Honest question OWK...do I and people like me have a right to secede from a society that condones homosexual behavior and form our own society?"

Sure. You just can't do it within the confines of the United States of America. However, I don't see why you can't buy a nice island somewhere and make it an exclusive place as private property. You can isolate yourself there and not allow anyone who is not a member of your little club from coming there.

I'd say you can do it if you want to. I suspect you'll have a tough time, though, finding enough people that want to do this to make it succeed as a separate entity. You'd still need supplies, etc.

But, hey, go for it.
1,017 posted on 06/26/2003 12:39:19 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Grando Calrissian
"...to watch nonstop episodes of "Sex and the City".

Now that's just evil. I mean really evil. The only thing worse would be a 24-hour non-stop DNC fund raiser.

1,018 posted on 06/26/2003 12:40:02 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
In fact, he can't think of many outrageous laws the states could come up with that he'd rule unconstitutional-- turning us into a banana republic.

Yeah, Scalia and that tyrant Thomas Jefferson who had the unmittigated GALL to sign a bill into law punishing sodomy with castration. It's a good thing we've moved beyond what our idiot Founding Fathers had in mind...
1,019 posted on 06/26/2003 12:40:32 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Grando Calrissian
There's going to be a plague. Lots of scabs.
1,020 posted on 06/26/2003 12:40:51 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: huck von finn
Do you live in San Francisco?

No?

Didn't think so. You really don't know anything of which I speak. Too bad.

I'm sure you would love to come across the things I said. It sounds like you're gay.
1,021 posted on 06/26/2003 12:41:32 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Thane_Banquo
I did read the post since it was directed to me
Firstly the gov't can't regulate Morality
It can and should however regulate criminal acts
This issue is not just a gay issue,
as I was trying to point out.
gay or straight does not concern me
telling people what they can or can not do in their own homes
is regulating Morality
criminal acts, i.e. involving minors, rape, murder, and others, are crimes. (period)
1,022 posted on 06/26/2003 12:41:41 PM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: Dead Corpse
I think you could do better than that. Try taking a cross-country drive listening to nothing but the collected works of the Chipmunks.
1,023 posted on 06/26/2003 12:41:44 PM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
"That's an act that makes States have the 21 year old law or they don't get highway funds from the feds. There is no federal law prohibiting States from changing their laws."

Right. Any state can lower the drinking age to 12 if they want to. They'll have to forgo th Federal highway funds, of course, since those are a Federal issue, but what the heck?

I don't think any states are considering this, though. Maybe the Free Staters would take another view, if they could get more than a few thousand supporters.
1,024 posted on 06/26/2003 12:41:45 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: huck von finn
You just joined June 2003?

Were you banned before?
1,025 posted on 06/26/2003 12:42:53 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Antoninus
First of all, it's insulting that you consider people who voluntarily and habitually put their penises in other people's anuses the moral equivalent of blacks, Indians, Catholics, Jews, or the disabled.

It is downright silly that your inability to control yourself is so profound, that you feel compelled not only to perpetually think about men who "habitually put their penises in other people's anuses", but that you want to break into their bedroom to put a stop to it.

1,026 posted on 06/26/2003 12:43:10 PM PDT by OWK
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To: puroresu
One of the problems with libertarianism is that it's self negating. The pathologies they unleash in the name of "liberty" create so many societal problems, pressures, and interest groups, that ten times more governmental controls end up being invoked than were necessary to suppress the pathologies in the first place.

Most libertarians would do well to read history before 1898. A brief perusal of the French Revolution should be enough to break anyone out of libertarianism forever.
1,027 posted on 06/26/2003 12:43:38 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
You just joined June 2003?

Were you banned before?

The "born on" date check.

The last refuge of the beaten.

1,028 posted on 06/26/2003 12:44:04 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Grando Calrissian
"My point is that if there will never be a concerted effort to legalize incest, why does it always get brought up in these threads?"

Because they can't come up with any other argument? That's my guess. Besides, incest is old Biblical stuff. Lot and his daughters got it on, way back when...after the Sodom and Gomorrah thing. And that doesn't even take Adam and Eve and the kids into the question.

Funny.
1,029 posted on 06/26/2003 12:44:23 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Antoninus
A brief perusal of the French Revolution should be enough to break anyone out of libertarianism forever.

There was absolutely NOTHING libertarian about the French Revolution.

1,030 posted on 06/26/2003 12:44:53 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Grando Calrissian
Try taking a cross-country drive listening to nothing but the collected works of the Chipmunks.

When I was a kid, our family took a driving vacation to Florida, departing from Minnesota. My father got a Kenny Rogers tape stuck in the radio just north of the Iowa boarder.

I can still recite the lyrics to "Ruby" even twenty some years later.

Yes.... very EEeeevvil.

1,031 posted on 06/26/2003 12:45:14 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: nobody in particular
OK, that's it! I'm officially bored with this thread.

I can't believe I read the whole thing to this point.

I quit, and I'm not coming back.

Maybe I can find an interesting thread on the Peterson case or I can read more about how Hillary is not-so-secretly running for president.

1,032 posted on 06/26/2003 12:45:46 PM PDT by dead
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To: huck von finn
Gozer the Traveller will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii the Traveller came as a very large and moving Torb. Then of course in the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex supplicants they chose a new form for him, that of a Sloar. Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day I can tell you.
1,033 posted on 06/26/2003 12:45:48 PM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: dead
"I don’t personally know any charitable Buddhists, but I’m sure they’re out there.
"

Oh, the Buddhists are big on charity, too.
1,034 posted on 06/26/2003 12:45:54 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: huck von finn
"So, as I take it from your posts in this thread, you:

1. Watch homosexuals having sex in the bushes

2. Frequent homosexual chat boards, and

3. Read homosexual magazines ??

I'm sorry to have to say it, lady, but it looks as if you are the one with the agenda here."

You know, I got the same impression. Just a little too interested in all this stuff, it seems to me. Oh well, different strokes.
1,035 posted on 06/26/2003 12:48:15 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Dead Corpse
As has already been pointed out if you would bother to read what has already been posted. There are over 1,000 posts on this thread.

I guess your point is "Let License Ring!"

1,036 posted on 06/26/2003 12:48:35 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Lord, lady, you see a homosexual behind every tree. Everyone that has disagreed with the wild allegations and comments you've made on this thread has been labelled a homo. Get some help.
1,037 posted on 06/26/2003 12:49:18 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Pahuanui
"And since bestiality, to my knowledge, isn't commercially produced in the Valley, or on this continent, for that matter, the point is moot."

You may well be right about the Valley but "this continent"? Come on! Every now and again I receive a spammed e-mail with links to all sorts of "explicit - woman loves horse" links. Are you telling me that all this sick s*** is made overseas? Please.
1,038 posted on 06/26/2003 12:50:26 PM PDT by BaghdadBarney
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
"I'm sure you would love to come across the things I said. It sounds like you're gay."

You seem to have a penchant for accusing those who disagree with you of being gay. You did it to me, and now to this other person.

Based on what you've written here, I think you may have fixed way too much on homosexuality. I mean going on gay chat boards, reading The Advocate, and peeking under bushes? Really!

Look to yourself.
1,039 posted on 06/26/2003 12:50:50 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
"You just joined June 2003?

Were you banned before?"

I see you've run out of arguments.
1,040 posted on 06/26/2003 12:51:47 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: OWK
It is downright silly that your inability to control yourself is so profound, that you feel compelled not only to perpetually think about men who "habitually put their penises in other people's anuses", but that you want to break into their bedroom to put a stop to it.

Hey, if it were up to me, I would never discuss such things. The fact that the Supreme Court of the US has been debased to such an extent that they stoop to making rulings about anal sex is more the issue. Due to this absurdity, I'm forced to talk about it very much against my will.

I just refuse to sugar-coat the issue with cute little euphemisms like "gay sex." There's nothing "gay" about using the poop-chute as a vagina. It's vile, filthy, and hazardous to your health.

The homos brought up the issue and then you go and have a hissy fit when someone calls a spade, a spade. You gotta love it.
1,041 posted on 06/26/2003 12:51:51 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: MineralMan
Agreed. Doesn't the old testament also contain a lot of human sacrifice?
1,042 posted on 06/26/2003 12:53:30 PM PDT by Grando Calrissian
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To: OWK
There was absolutely NOTHING libertarian about the French Revolution.

What are you kidding? It was pure anarchy ... which is where we'd end up if (God forbid) libertine-arianism ever became the ruling ideology. Bank on it.
1,043 posted on 06/26/2003 12:53:39 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Antoninus
The fact that the Supreme Court of the US has been debased to such an extent that they stoop to making rulings about anal sex is more the issue.

Had people like yourself not first conspired to criminalize the private sexual behavior of censenting adults to begin with, the Supreme Court would not have been addressing the issue today.

But I rather suspect that you still would.

1,044 posted on 06/26/2003 12:54:10 PM PDT by OWK
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To: The Green Goblin
"...but whosoever shall say, 'Thou fool', shall be in danger of hell fire." ---Matthew 5:22

Clever... but beside the point. That is talking about accusing someone of being utterly unredeemable.

1,045 posted on 06/26/2003 12:54:44 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: rintense
Not intentional- Browser does that to me sometimes...

I am dissappointed that so many Freepers do not see the harm that is being done to the culture.
1,046 posted on 06/26/2003 12:54:50 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: OWK
But what if I want to form my own society? What if I don't want to be affected by people who engage in anti-social behaviors whatsoever? You see, as hard as you try, I'm still going to have to pick up the costs for anti-social behaviors in some way. As long as I'm sharing a society with perverts, they're going to affect me in some way. We'll vote in the same elections, pay the same taxes, and so on. It's impossible not to be affected by people you share a society with.

Let's say I want to form my own society with other social conservatives. Let's call it Bluenoseprudeland. And then you libertarians and all your drug-addled, pervert friends can form your own society, Transvestitistan. That way, we can both be happy and live around people we like.

Don't I have a 'right' to live the way I wish, around the people I wish to live around? Isn't this the essence of libertarianism?

1,047 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:38 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: vin-one; Thane_Banquo
How to even reply to this?

You certainly must see that bringing up some nebulous "criminal acts" vs. "moral acts" is ridiculous right? If everyone in this world understood that "these are just criminal acts"(stomping like a two year old) then why is murder acceptable in many many places? Could it be because their "moral code" does not prohibit them from taking a life? ahh--hah so the criminal acts of a nation just might be based on moral codes or lack of them? And if people are willing to take the risk of being murdered in this country so that they can murder something else and reject the moral code that prohibits murder, do you not think someday that we may overturn that too based on personal liberty? This is a ridiculous argument all around. Some folks here are so foolish to not think that they are eroding at that which sets us apart from the rest of the world and it will be to their detriment too someday. I only wish the handful of us who see reality had more to stop up the dam then our fingers.
1,048 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:47 PM PDT by glory
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To: Antoninus
What are you kidding?

No.

It was pure anarchy

1) Libertarianism is not anarchy.

2) The French Revolution begat authoritarian government, not anarchy.

1,049 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:53 PM PDT by OWK
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To: RAT Patrol
License? Try "Freedom" jacka$$. You seem to enjoy yours, but don't want those other "icky" people "over there" to enjoy theirs.

Kinda makes you a hypocrite.

1,050 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:53 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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