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SCOTUS strikes down Texas sodomy ban
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Posted on 06/26/2003 7:08:23 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo

SCOTUS sided with the perverts.


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To: Mister Magoo
Government needs to stay the hell out of the bedroom

That's not exactly an earth-shattering concept.

It pains me to see how many people on this thread *think* they are for smaller Govt but disagree with the ruling.

401 posted on 06/26/2003 9:07:51 AM PDT by gdani
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To: dead
The Bill of Rights overrules “democracy” in favor of individual rights. Libertarians support this concept, which you seem to have a problem with.

The 'individual rights' that are listed in the Bill of Rights were voted on at one time, dead. They can be changed by...voting. If you believe that 'individual rights' are whatever you believe them to be, then that's another discussion entirely.

The thing that gives us 'individual rights' was voted on at one time.

402 posted on 06/26/2003 9:07:55 AM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: MeeknMing
"They said it's not the state's business to categorize people in these ways," he said.

A broad hint in advocacy of homo "marriage"

403 posted on 06/26/2003 9:08:22 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Dead Corpse
I'm with Laz on this one. Libertarians are the root of all Evil. We are the reason Lucifer fell from grace. I, personally, pushed him.

You understate the evil that is libertarianism.

Libertarians cause rust.

405 posted on 06/26/2003 9:08:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: MeeknMing
a decision that will have widespread effect on issues of personal privacy, as well as gay rights.

Told ya. It will be seen as a gay rights issue when it isn't. Obviously, het couples in Texas only like the missionary position. /sarcasm

406 posted on 06/26/2003 9:08:52 AM PDT by rintense (Thank you to all our brave soldiers, past and present, for your faithful service to our country.)
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To: dead
It's the Libertarian's fault.

Everything is.

407 posted on 06/26/2003 9:09:42 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: The Red Zone
It did. It wasn't on equal protection basis.

That's what surprises me. I can understand the logic that if one can consent to anal sex, it should not matter whther they are male or female. Equal Protection.

The Right to Privacy argument seems to me to be a bit off the mark, since the state can and does enforce all sorts of laws regarding sexual activities that are done "in private". I wonder how explicit the opinion was about explaining the limits.

408 posted on 06/26/2003 9:09:48 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: gdani
It pains me to see how many people on this thread *think* they are for smaller Govt but disagree with the ruling.

The truth is exactly the opposite. Look at the 'health care costs' in the city of Sin Freaksicko. Much of the public health costs in that city are driven by gays. It's a public health issue.

409 posted on 06/26/2003 9:10:09 AM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: HumanaeVitae
The thing that gives us 'individual rights' was voted on at one time.

Our rights come from a scrap of paper?

And our rights are granted by the state?

By vote?

And they can be voted away?

410 posted on 06/26/2003 9:11:10 AM PDT by OWK
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To: OWK
When did the Bill of Rights change to give this protection to homosexuals and deny the state the power to make this law?

Don't bother saying the Bill of Rights or any part of the Constitution means whatever you say. Your opinion is worthless.

The authors and ratifiers of the Constitution and it's amendments are only held in contempt by a few of you on this forum.

411 posted on 06/26/2003 9:11:41 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Lazamataz
I shot JR.
412 posted on 06/26/2003 9:11:44 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Lazamataz
The moose that bit my sister was a member of the LP.
413 posted on 06/26/2003 9:11:59 AM PDT by jmc813 (If you're interested in joining a FR list to discuss Big Brother 4 on CBS, please FReepmail me)
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To: jmc813
Libertarians sure are bad people. Why, the other day, I took some food out of the fridge -- it was spoiled! Damned Libertarians!
414 posted on 06/26/2003 9:12:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: OWK
I shot JR

You must be a Libertarian, then.

415 posted on 06/26/2003 9:13:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: HumanaeVitae
The 'individual rights' that are listed in the Bill of Rights were voted on at one time, dead. They can be changed by...voting. If you believe that 'individual rights' are whatever you believe them to be, then that's another discussion entirely. The thing that gives us 'individual rights' was voted on at one time.

The Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers explicitly state that the enumeration of Rights in the Constitution by no means limits the number of Rights we have. Also, they cannot be changed by "voting". They can only be changed by a Constitutional Convention (and the next one of those is going to be a terrifying event. The Left no longer cares about propriety, and will go after everything).

417 posted on 06/26/2003 9:13:32 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: BlackjackHF
SC to usurp the powers constitutionally delegated to the legislature and impose its morality on us.

In the same way 'doing nothing' is actually 'doing something', being 'neutral to morality' is actually 'not being neutral to morality'. Let paganism ring.

418 posted on 06/26/2003 9:13:32 AM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: OWK
Oh, certainly our rights come from "reason."

The big question is: WHAT MAN'S "reason"?
419 posted on 06/26/2003 9:14:26 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Paradox
I wonder if he has been sodomizing the exhaust pipe...

Libertarians do that. They are really bad people.

420 posted on 06/26/2003 9:14:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Kevin Curry
Libertarians are cheering the usurpation of the legislative powers reserved to the states by an all-powerful federal governmental body.

With all due respect KC, there's nothing specifically in the Texas Constitution about sodomy, but indecency with children and sexual assault are still defined as violent felonies. The Texas Constitution similar language as the 4th Amendment in its Bill of Rights (The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and possessions, from all unreasonable seizures or searches, and no warrant to search any place, or to seize any person or thing, shall issue without describing them as near as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation) and are guaranteed equal rights (All free men, when they form a social compact, have equal rights, and no man, or set of men, is entitled to exclusive separate public emoluments, or privileges, but in consideration of public services) and protection (Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed, or national origin.) under law.

Had a married couple been found in flagrante delicto by the police when searching the wrong house, nothing would have happened to them. This is a right to equal protection under law and to be secure in their persons and houses.

421 posted on 06/26/2003 9:15:00 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: Tribune7
Hell, you can have sex with animals as long as it is in private. You have the RIGHT to do so, now.
422 posted on 06/26/2003 9:15:28 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: mrsmith
Don't bother saying the Bill of Rights or any part of the Constitution means whatever you say.

The Bill of Rights means what it says.

But curiously, it is a list which desribes restraints on government power. It is not intended to (nor does it attempt to) list the rights of every human being.

Had you even the remotest familiarity with the document, you would know this.

Again, I suggest that you educate yourself.

Read the 9th amendment in particular.

Your opinion is worthless.

Uh... yes, of course it is.

As is the opinion of anyone who isn't a slack-jawed parrot of the party line

The authors and ratifiers of the Constitution and it's amendments are only held in contempt by a few of you on this forum.

On the contrary.

423 posted on 06/26/2003 9:16:04 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Teacher317
The Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers explicitly state that the enumeration of Rights in the Constitution by no means limits the number of Rights we have.

And if you look at the laws of that period, 'individual rights' did not include homosexual sodomy. In fact, buggery was punishable by death in many of the colonies/early states. You can say "times have changed", but if "times have changed" that should be reflected by...voting. Again, libertarians are against voting.

424 posted on 06/26/2003 9:16:21 AM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: BlackjackHF
What I love most about this is liberals like dead going on about how terrible it is letting the unwashed masses determine what is moral

Typical gutless move. Next time, show some courage and ping me if you want to call me names.

BTW, when the unwashed masses want to take your guns away, don’t go crying about your rights.

Embrace the tyranny of "democracy" or add hypocrite to the gutless label you’ve earned.

425 posted on 06/26/2003 9:16:28 AM PDT by dead
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To: HumanaeVitae
Libertarians aren't friends of democracy.

You are correct. They're friends of constitutional republicanism.

426 posted on 06/26/2003 9:16:28 AM PDT by jmc813 (If you're interested in joining a FR list to discuss Big Brother 4 on CBS, please FReepmail me)
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To: Liberal Classic
This is a right to equal protection under law

This wasn't decided on equal protection grounds, chum.

and to be secure in their persons and houses.

News: even before the decision there was no sex police squad bugging people's bedrooms.

427 posted on 06/26/2003 9:17:19 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: nobody in particular
What are rights?

What are their extent?

Define them for me.

428 posted on 06/26/2003 9:17:50 AM PDT by OWK
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To: jmc813
A Constitutional Republic that was established by...voting. I believe the state legislatures had to ratify the Bill of Rights. Strange, but you libertarians trust the state legislatures to amend the Constitution, but not pass statutes.
429 posted on 06/26/2003 9:18:24 AM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Homosexuals do not want privacy, I live across the street from a pair that like to exibit their depravity to the neighborhood kids in front of their picture window.

Are you talking holding hands or anal sex here? There are laws against indecent expososure for both straight and gay people.
430 posted on 06/26/2003 9:18:25 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: BlackjackHF
Maybe the fact that we live in a democracy?

We don't live in a democracy.

431 posted on 06/26/2003 9:18:28 AM PDT by jmc813 (If you're interested in joining a FR list to discuss Big Brother 4 on CBS, please FReepmail me)
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To: OWK
As is the opinion of anyone who isn't a slack-jawed parrot of the party line

Except, of course, for slack-jawed parrots of the OWK party line

432 posted on 06/26/2003 9:19:06 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: Lazamataz
"Libertarians cause rust."

and pitting!

433 posted on 06/26/2003 9:19:06 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Kevin Curry
Libertarians are cheering the usurpation of the legislative powers reserved to the states by an all-powerful federal governmental body.

Libertarians may be cheering, but not for the reasons you state. They are cheering the fact that the USSC has struck down a law that, in contravention of our Bill of Rights and respect for individual liberties, had nevertheless existed for too many years.

434 posted on 06/26/2003 9:19:15 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: finnman69
Is not a person's sexual behavior part of their life and is it not also a liberty and a "natural right" as defined by the term liberty?

In a word...no!

In a few more words, yes you can make a case for "liberty" and "natural rights" but I don't think you can extend this interpretation of "liberty" to define specific "Constitutional rights".

Perhaps the original Texas law is/was poorly written, badly enforced, or obsolete, but I still don't think the Supreme Court has any business issuing rulings on any sexual behaviour. In effect, they are re-writing state laws, aren't they? The problem is, they're setting that precedent, and there could (likely will) be all kinds of "unintended consequences" that go way beyond this one decision.

It actually occurs to me that this whole "neighbor with a grudge" story was a set-up, to start at the bottom (LOL!) and eventually get this case all the way to the Supreme Court...Rush is saying similar right now, not about my "conspiracy theory" but about "Supreme Court arbitration"...

435 posted on 06/26/2003 9:19:26 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: OWK
What are rights? What are their extent? Define them for me.

How about let's all see YOU do that.

436 posted on 06/26/2003 9:20:06 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone
Except, of course, for slack-jawed parrots of the OWK party line

I have a fan club?

Cool.

437 posted on 06/26/2003 9:20:32 AM PDT by OWK
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To: spunkets
and pitting!

In the water, Libertarians cause cavitation.

438 posted on 06/26/2003 9:21:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
I don't know if I really want to live in a country where the police aren't allowed to arrest people for doing all kinds of icky-poo things, right out in the middle of their own bedrooms and such.
440 posted on 06/26/2003 9:21:26 AM PDT by IowaHawk
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To: OWK
Except, of course, for slack-jawed parrots of the OWK party line

I've always wanted a slack-jawed parrot. Very rare; mostly found in the Patagonia.

441 posted on 06/26/2003 9:22:23 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: tdadams
Libertarians may be cheering, but not for the reasons you state. They are cheering the fact that the USSC has struck down a law that, in contravention of our Bill of Rights and respect for individual liberties, had nevertheless existed for too many years.

The Bill of Rights never spelled out a generalized sodomy right, unless the 10th Amendment is an anything-goes wild card. Not even the most libertarian of the founding fathers would have bought the notion that states had to respect sodomy rights.

442 posted on 06/26/2003 9:23:05 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: IowaHawk
I don't know if I really want to live in a country where the police aren't allowed to arrest people for doing all kinds of icky-poo things, right out in the middle of their own bedrooms and such.

Damn those Libertarians.

Damn them to hell.

443 posted on 06/26/2003 9:23:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: OWK
I have a fan club?

Yes, and as treasurer and collector of zillions of dollars in dues, I thank you for putting me in a lifestyle to which everyone would want t grow accustomed.

Remind me to send you some souvenirs from the next money drop in Switzerland.

;)

444 posted on 06/26/2003 9:23:11 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...road trip.....)
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To: Lazamataz
Don't forget about the ear wax.
445 posted on 06/26/2003 9:23:37 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: The Red Zone
How about let's all see YOU do that.

I'm all about the big finale at the end...

I'll be happy to do it after you do.

So how's about it..?

What are rights. Define them for me.

Are you up to it?

Do you even have any idea?

446 posted on 06/26/2003 9:23:41 AM PDT by OWK
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To: OWK
I have a fan club? Cool.

Just look in the mirror, you'll see the club.

447 posted on 06/26/2003 9:23:59 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: HumanaeVitae
" trust the state legislatures to amend the Constitution"

Historically it was the promise of a Bill of Rights that swayed the vote for the Constitution. Which one of the 10 makes you unhappy?

448 posted on 06/26/2003 9:24:08 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: sinkspur
Wow. The bedroom is now a sactuary?

I think may be next to go, followed by statutory rape, incest, and then nationwide recognition of gay marriage.

SCOTUS just defined sodomy as normal sexual behavior between adults. There is no reason, then to not legally recognize marriage between men.

449 posted on 06/26/2003 9:24:16 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Lazamataz
Libertarians cause rust.

We also cause plaque build-up on your teeth.

450 posted on 06/26/2003 9:24:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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