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The Vast Dubya & DeLay Conspiracy
Rush Limbaugh ^ | June 30, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 06/30/2003 3:59:40 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

The Vast Dubya & DeLay Conspiracy

June 30, 2003

Depending on where you go and in what circles you travel, conservatives are livid with the Bush administration. Some, more so than others, are furious over the size of the federal budget, the failing to rein in any kind of spending, tax cuts for people who don't pay taxes, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, the list continues - and there’s a great deal of head scratching going on.

I came across an Associated Press story over the weekend that attempts to shed some light on what’s happening, which you can hear me read in the audio links below. However, the story seems to imply there’s a conspiracy between the White House and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

Here’s just one excerpt: “DeLay has become the most identifiable representative of the party's right wing, and the two Texans have had a sometimes scrappy relationship. Clashes may become more frequent as Bush moves beyond his current phase of fund raising among loyal Republicans and shifts his attention to the general electorate, analysts suggest. At the same time, Bush and his advisers are mindful that if they go too far, they could alienate conservatives whose support he needs. ‘Bush is carefully picking and choosing his fights,’ said GOP consultant Scott Reed. ‘There's a healthy back and forth between the White House staff and DeLay that is mutually beneficial to both.’”

The story continues to suggest that Bush is telling DeLay to go ahead and stop what he’s trying to do - on purpose. The idea being that Bush can thus claim credit for supporting whatever measure, while DeLay and other conservatives can point to victory for blocking its ultimate passage. A caller later asked: “Isn't this the same strategy that Bush used on campaign finance reform, only he is counting on the Supreme Court to shoot it down?” You can hear my answer below.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bush; conservatives; conspiracy; delay
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To: All
Looks like I need to post this again:

As for the House plan, those that have attacked it should instead support it, as it promotes conservative ideals.

"One key difference is that the House bill would go further in reforming Medicare, forcing traditional Medicare to compete directly against the private plans starting in 2010."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/937657/posts

We have to make sure this survives conference or the status quo is retained.
101 posted on 06/30/2003 8:25:24 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Howlin
I talk to Republicans AND Democrats who did not vote for Bush last time and they ARE going to vote for him in 2004.

I speak with lots of sheeple on a daily basis too. So, what's your point?

102 posted on 06/30/2003 8:25:31 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: habs4ever
I call you bushbots as in robots. Mindless robots that agree with and support everything Bush says and does. Whether you are more stupid than Dems I don't know that would be going pretty far. As for supporting the fringe I supported Bush with my time and money in 2000, I won't do it again. Will I vote for him maybe, it depends on my choices. But I won't blindly support any candidate right or wrong like the Dems did Clinton,and like I am afraid many of you would do with Bush. A thinking individual demands something from the candidates that he votes for. As for being cowered you would have to be intelligent enough to understand what the comment meant first to be cowered.
103 posted on 06/30/2003 8:25:53 PM PDT by redangus
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To: Howlin
I talk to Republicans AND Democrats who did not vote for Bush last time and they ARE going to vote for him in 2004.

And that says something to me: that he is the president of ALL the people,

(not just the "PPO conservatives." )
.........

Look up, way up, higher, a little higher,

..OK

FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum"
104 posted on 06/30/2003 8:26:09 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Southack
That's nice. Do you have a certain "anti-illegal" candidate in mind, or do you simply want to be divisive?

I am not much intrested in an "anti-illegal" candidate, however a "pro-soveriegnty would be refreshing.

Divisive, I hadn't noticed that I was being devisive, but if you want me to be, I can.

105 posted on 06/30/2003 8:26:44 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Howlin
I wouldn't be mistaken about it Howlin, I saw him say it. I'm sure he wasn't serious, but he wasn't smiling when he said it.
106 posted on 06/30/2003 8:27:07 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
Crap, he might run again?
107 posted on 06/30/2003 8:27:29 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: DoughtyOne
Now you've done it; left him "cut and paste-less."
108 posted on 06/30/2003 8:27:29 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: redangus
I call you bushbots as in robots. Mindless robots that agree with and support everything Bush says and does. Whether you are more stupid than Dems I don't know that would be going pretty far. As for supporting the fringe I supported Bush with my time and money in 2000, I won't do it again. Will I vote for him maybe, it depends on my choices. But I won't blindly support any candidate right or wrong like the Dems did Clinton,and like I am afraid many of you would do with Bush. A thinking individual demands something from the candidates that he votes for. As for being cowered you would have to be intelligent enough to understand what the comment meant first to be cowered.

Since I have seen that exact same post in one form or another on this forum for the last few months, what would that make you?

A serial poster?

A macro?

109 posted on 06/30/2003 8:29:16 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: DoughtyOne
I like your tag line. Can I rent it? LOL
110 posted on 06/30/2003 8:29:42 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: redangus
yeah, yeah, yeah...so, you've decided that anyone that isn't as opposed to Bush as you is unthinking?
111 posted on 06/30/2003 8:30:06 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: MissAmericanPie
I'm sure he wasn't serious

Perhaps you should have indicated that in your first definitive statement.

112 posted on 06/30/2003 8:30:06 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I don't know I have only posted it once, so great minds must thing alike.
113 posted on 06/30/2003 8:32:01 PM PDT by redangus
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To: Howlin
Hi Howlin. How are you tonight? Fine I hope. I consider most folks on this forum to be my friends. I like TBLShow, Miss Marple and you. I hope each of you are having a great Monday evening.

D1
114 posted on 06/30/2003 8:32:12 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote RIPublican in 2004: Socialism's kinder gentler party: "We will leave no wallet left behind!")
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To: TLBSHOW
Libertarian isn't and never will be conservative.Deal with it.Svelte, buff one ;-)
115 posted on 06/30/2003 8:32:13 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Howlin; Fred Mertz
It was right after the election battle, he was tired, and he said "I might not seek a second term". It was a stunner I couldn't believe slipped by the media. Since it did, I assumed he didn't mean it.
116 posted on 06/30/2003 8:33:01 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Howlin; Sir Gawain
Since I have seen that exact same post in one form or another on this forum for the last few months...

Prove it.

117 posted on 06/30/2003 8:33:22 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: habs4ever
Well we used to call the Clinton kool-aid drinkers clintonistas, so we needed something orginal for the Bushies. I can't take credit for the term, but it does seem to fit so many on this site anymore.
118 posted on 06/30/2003 8:34:49 PM PDT by redangus
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To: TLBSHOW
No, but you can copy it and use it or modify it and use it if you like. The idea is to make people a little uncomfortable, not drive them over the edge. Safe driving... ;-)
119 posted on 06/30/2003 8:34:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Vote RIPublican in 2004: Socialism's kinder gentler party: "We will leave no wallet left behind!")
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To: My2Cents
I had the same thought, reading this latest screed. We know the Dems will do anything. Going head-to-head with Bush doesn't look like a winning stragerey, so if they can sow discord among Republicans...it's worth a try (from their perspective).

Makes sense to me

120 posted on 06/30/2003 8:35:01 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: MissAmericanPie
"Bush, whose first action after taking his hand off George Washington's bible and swearing to uphold the Constitution of the USofA. He flew to Mexico, embraced V. Fox and laid plans to dissolve our sovereign borders."

Why is it that Bush-bashers always get their facts mixed up, if they are even "facts" in the first place?

Consider:

"By Jamie York
On January 20, 2001, shortly after his inauguration, President George W. Bush broke his oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution when he declared that religion "will have an honored place in our plans and laws."
President Bush and his supporters are not interested in pluralism -- they want to create a Christian nation -- so it is no surprise that Bush's first act as president was to issue an executive order to stop federal funds to international health organizations that provide abortion services or counseling."

SOURCE: Leftist Screed Against Bush

121 posted on 06/30/2003 8:35:03 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: MissAmericanPie
It was a stunner I couldn't believe slipped by the media.

As I said, you misinterpreted what he said.

Since it did, I assumed he didn't mean it.

Are you saying that since the media didn't pick up on it, Bush backed off?

122 posted on 06/30/2003 8:35:55 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Here ya go dear heart. I knew I wasn't dreaming.

"Bush may not seek second term -- Associated Press Maybe he's just teasing, but W seems to be indicating that he hasn't decided whether to run again in 2004. "I'm doing everything I can to keep [my expectations] low," he said."

I can give you the link if you like.

123 posted on 06/30/2003 8:36:20 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Miss Marple

OTOH, maybe Rush just scans the political horizon, puts 2+2 together and realizes: "Hey, Conservatives won't like the prescription drug benefit, or sending checks to people who don't pay taxes.. "

And then, viola!

Of course, if you wish to twist common sense & simple logic into some sort of grand conspiracy.. be my guest.

124 posted on 06/30/2003 8:36:21 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: habs4ever
I would say at this point in time

TLBSHOW is independent as in the party will have to earn my support as it is no longer a given. Bush wants to push left wing then no support. If he wants to push conservative ideals then he will have my support.

Bottom Line is this posters will not be bought off like the blind are.

125 posted on 06/30/2003 8:38:04 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: MissAmericanPie
I most certainly would like to read that in context.
127 posted on 06/30/2003 8:38:45 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: MissAmericanPie
I can give you the link if you like.

Thanks for the text. What was the date on that?

Bush is here to stay and then we'll get a Ford or a Dole.

128 posted on 06/30/2003 8:39:39 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Jhoffa_
There's a bunch of Freepers that are either idolaters or just, flat, need to be comitted.

There's a bunch of Bush haters that are either idolaters or just, flat, need to be comiteed. (sic)

129 posted on 06/30/2003 8:39:52 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: MissAmericanPie
Well we can put that "seems to be saying to bed" can't we? I think he's announced he's running......
130 posted on 06/30/2003 8:40:21 PM PDT by deport ( BUSH/CHENEY 2004...... with or without the showboy)
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To: Jhoffa_
The word is voila. Viola is a large fiddle.

I am sorry, but since I saw you post the other day that you didn't consider Bush a Christian, I have found your opinion to be a bit suspect. I think you dislike him so much that you will use any avenue to attack him.

131 posted on 06/30/2003 8:40:28 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: MissAmericanPie

Don't worry Dubya, so am I..

132 posted on 06/30/2003 8:40:54 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Mo1
Makes sense to me


...

was there any doubt that would be you're comment?
133 posted on 06/30/2003 8:41:10 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Southack
Being against partial birth abortion has nothing to do with being a socialist. The Christian Socialist Party in Italy is against all abortion. France is a socialist country and partial birth abortion is illegal there.

A socialist is someone who promotes or believes in socialism. Socialism is a system where the state controls the capital and property. Hitler is the author of modern socialism. His national socialism differed from communism in that the state just controlled property, and capital rather than owning it. Both systems redistributed wealth from the productive to the society as a whole.

Bush didn’t arm pilots. Congress did over the objections of his appointees, Minetta and Ridge.

As for judges, Bush nominated Owen and Estrada but he also re-nominated all the Clinton judges who were unconfirmed when Clinton left office. He has yet to nominate a SC judge so we don’t know what he will do there.

Bush’s tax cuts were mostly offset by his two huge tax increases.

There is no chance in the world that Bush will privatize Social Security in the next 6 years. NONE.

The Bush/Kennedy school bill sets the stage for the feds to run the local schools. The testing provision is the foot in the door. Because tests are meaningless unless they are standardized, Bush and Kennedy will come back and create a standard test for all schools.

Once they do that, whoever writes the test will control what is taught in every local school in America. Vouchers will also allow the feds into free market schools. In order to get the money, the free market schools will have to teach the same thing the government schools teach and the kids will have to take the test Washington creates.

Bush did well on the Kyoto Treaty, International Criminal Court, the ABM Treaty, and he is talking a good game on Star Wars. Bush would make a good Secretary of State. His domestic policies are socialistic, big government, liberalism. They are certainly not conservative by any stretch of the term.

134 posted on 06/30/2003 8:41:35 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Miss Marple

I am well aware of this, thanks..

Regarding the rest of your post, believe me.. the feeling is mutual.

I get sick and tired of singing praises to the guy only to be dubbed a part of some plot when he screws up and does something stupid.

Either you people need professional help, or there's "conspiracies" everywhere.

I am going with the former.

135 posted on 06/30/2003 8:44:24 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: TLBSHOW
was there any doubt that would be you're comment?

You have a problem?

136 posted on 06/30/2003 8:44:46 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: SUSSA
"Bush’s tax cuts were mostly offset by his two huge tax increases."

That sort of rhetoric simply won't sway any but the most gullible loners.

137 posted on 06/30/2003 8:44:55 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: TLBSHOW
So, you're meglomania makes you talk in the third person?

138 posted on 06/30/2003 8:45:24 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Mo1
Just telling it like it is..........
139 posted on 06/30/2003 8:45:55 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Howlin
What?

Now, you think there's a giant conspiracy also?

Did you honestly think Conservatives were going to be happy about his high stakes pandering?

Is it "un-conservative" to not be as pissed at Dubya as you would have been at Clinton over this?

The bill is still going to come due, so what's the difference?

140 posted on 06/30/2003 8:47:11 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Jhoffa_
No, I do not. I'm simply pointing at that who's doing what depends where you're sitting.
141 posted on 06/30/2003 8:48:16 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
"I talk to Republicans AND Democrats"

I've got to admit that I don't talk to any Democrats.
There just doesn't seem to be any in the oil field.
I think everyone was just like me in thinking that GW was the answer to our prayers.

You should have been on hand during our first days in Iraq.
We were so filled with pride that we could hardly leave the TV to work.
The feeling has changed about 180 degrees..

142 posted on 06/30/2003 8:49:02 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Southack
Are you so uninformed that you don't know he raised taxes twice?
143 posted on 06/30/2003 8:49:18 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TexasCowboy
Well, there's where you and I differ; I never thought he was the answer to ALL our prayers, but he's a damn good start.
144 posted on 06/30/2003 8:50:08 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Jhoffa_
Well, you can accuse me of paranoia, but as far as I know the worst I ever said to you was that I had thought you had more common sense. Why do you feel it necessary to attack people personally, rather than simply arguing the merits of your position?

I hope that the lurkers appreciate your tactics.

And by the way, would you care to elaborate on that statement that Bush isn't a Christian?

145 posted on 06/30/2003 8:51:55 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: TLBSHOW
Whatever
146 posted on 06/30/2003 8:52:23 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Howlin

It doesn't matter..

I would have given Bill Clinton himself a "good job!" over Star Wars, Koyoto, the ICC and other things.. Just like I did Dubya.

Likewise, this drug benefit and this tax pandering are going to hurt us.. regardless of who does it.

IMO, it's just wrong, regardless.

It's an objective opinion..

147 posted on 06/30/2003 8:53:38 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Fred Mertz; Howlin
I wish I were schooled in providing a link, but here is the web address at least.

http://www.motherjones.com/web_exclusives/features/news/bushfiles10.html

148 posted on 06/30/2003 8:55:24 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Fred Mertz; Howlin
It's about the fourth or fifth article down
149 posted on 06/30/2003 8:56:18 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Jhoffa_; dirtboy
Do you remember when that gummint agent with a gun went after DeLay?

Dirtboy will remember.

150 posted on 06/30/2003 8:57:32 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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