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The Vast Dubya & DeLay Conspiracy
Rush Limbaugh ^ | June 30, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 06/30/2003 3:59:40 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

The Vast Dubya & DeLay Conspiracy

June 30, 2003

Depending on where you go and in what circles you travel, conservatives are livid with the Bush administration. Some, more so than others, are furious over the size of the federal budget, the failing to rein in any kind of spending, tax cuts for people who don't pay taxes, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, the list continues - and there’s a great deal of head scratching going on.

I came across an Associated Press story over the weekend that attempts to shed some light on what’s happening, which you can hear me read in the audio links below. However, the story seems to imply there’s a conspiracy between the White House and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

Here’s just one excerpt: “DeLay has become the most identifiable representative of the party's right wing, and the two Texans have had a sometimes scrappy relationship. Clashes may become more frequent as Bush moves beyond his current phase of fund raising among loyal Republicans and shifts his attention to the general electorate, analysts suggest. At the same time, Bush and his advisers are mindful that if they go too far, they could alienate conservatives whose support he needs. ‘Bush is carefully picking and choosing his fights,’ said GOP consultant Scott Reed. ‘There's a healthy back and forth between the White House staff and DeLay that is mutually beneficial to both.’”

The story continues to suggest that Bush is telling DeLay to go ahead and stop what he’s trying to do - on purpose. The idea being that Bush can thus claim credit for supporting whatever measure, while DeLay and other conservatives can point to victory for blocking its ultimate passage. A caller later asked: “Isn't this the same strategy that Bush used on campaign finance reform, only he is counting on the Supreme Court to shoot it down?” You can hear my answer below.


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To: MissAmericanPie
There's no article there; I did a Google and didn't find anything.

And that article is in April of 2001, not November of 2000.
151 posted on 06/30/2003 9:00:58 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Miss Marple

Oh, put a sock in it.. You're the biggest hypocrite on FR.

Who told me that "some people" (obviously, moi) were always bashing, setting up impossible conditions that the President could never meet and on and on..

And over what? His mistakes?

Being pissed about his pandering is "setting up a condition which can never be met"

That's ridiculous. And anyone with any sense at all would realize that.

To be honest (something you may only have a passing familiarity with) I posted that to what turned out to most likely be a bogus article stating that God, himself, spoke to George Bush and was giving him marching orders.

I may have replied in haste.. haven't decided yet.

I am still considering it.

152 posted on 06/30/2003 9:01:15 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Fred Mertz
What are you talking about?
153 posted on 06/30/2003 9:02:57 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Miss Marple
I am sorry, but I don't think that people who loved the President suddenly turned against him because of prescription drugs...

We certainly don't know what the final prescription drugs entitlement is going to be but I will bet that it will turn out to represent everything that is wrong with our current levels of government control.

154 posted on 06/30/2003 9:04:58 PM PDT by FreeReign (V5.0 Enterprise Edition)
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To: Jhoffa_
I'm trying to remain on topic, and talk about DeLay. Someone almost killed him about 8 or 10 years ago in his Capitol Hill office.
155 posted on 06/30/2003 9:06:05 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
I never heard of this..

Glad he's okay..

Was it a radical leftie defending his favorite bug or something?

156 posted on 06/30/2003 9:07:17 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Howlin
"but he's a damn good start."

Okay, I won't contest your opinion, but I'd like for you or Miss Marple or someone , anyone , to tell me how he has started.
We still have the same number of liberal judges sitting on the benches, we still have the same march toward socialism in our public school system, we are still not allowed to put God back into our public lives, we are still shackled by the PC crap that is strangling our First Amendment rights, we're still battling a daily war to retain our Second Amendment rights, we're on a one step at a time basis toward socialized medicine, we have a real unemployment rate of 12.4% and we still have a border policy that is innundating this country with illegal immigrants.
Now, please, tell me how he's made a good start!

157 posted on 06/30/2003 9:09:44 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Jhoffa_
OK. I see that no matter what, you are going to use personal attacks.

Let me know when you have made your thological decision on the Presient.

158 posted on 06/30/2003 9:09:59 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

Let me know what other "conspiracies" I may be involved in.

It's so hard to keep track now days.

(To quote another FReeper, who shall remain nameless.. I suppose "some people" simply have too much emotionally invested to be ojective.)

159 posted on 06/30/2003 9:13:34 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: TexasCowboy
Good start actions:

Making it plain that we would not approve the Kyoto treaty.
Two tax cuts, despite the ranting from the media an the left.
Increased funding for the military.
Nomination of conservative judges to the bench.
Fighting affirmative action in the Michigan Court case.
Negating several of Clinton's pro-abortion executive orders.
Indicating his willingness to sign a partial birth abortion ban.
Beginning the steps toward partial privatization of Social Security.
Prosecuting both the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.
Refusing to meet with Yassir Arafat.
Behaving like a decent and honorable man.

160 posted on 06/30/2003 9:16:39 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: FreeReign; Miss Marple
"but I will bet that it will turn out to represent everything that is wrong with our current levels of government control."

The irony here is that I'm almost old enough to benefit from the prescription drug plan, but I see it as the ruination of our Social Security program and a giant leap toward socialized medicine.

161 posted on 06/30/2003 9:18:53 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Fred Mertz
Did the address work for you?
162 posted on 06/30/2003 9:19:56 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
I didn't check the link URL. Bush is a politician, plain and simple. I had high hopes he'd be a leader.
163 posted on 06/30/2003 9:23:01 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Jhoffa_
What I see is someone who is dodging an answer.

Unlike you, I will state my case. I think many of the people who post anti-Bush stuff are not really conservatives or Republicans, but rather third-party members or democrats who have an interest in dividing Republicans. I didnt thnk that of you until I saw that "I don't think Bush is even a Christian" statement.

One who disagrees on policy would confine himself to attacking the policy. When one jumps into an attack on the man's faith, it indicates to me a blind opposition based on the desire to see Bush lose at whatever cost. Only disgruntled third party people and democrats hold this position, since if Bush were to lose in 2004 he would be replaced by a democrat.

Now, either explain your reasoning on why Bush isn't a Christian, or admit that you are dodging accountability for your previous statement.

164 posted on 06/30/2003 9:23:39 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: MissAmericanPie
Worked for me. http://www.motherjones.com/web_exclusives/features/news/bushfiles10.html
165 posted on 06/30/2003 9:24:57 PM PDT by john the bowler
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To: Miss Marple
I admit that George W Bush has done some good things, realistically I can't see how they outweigh his massive expansion of government. Your personal attacks get in the way of proving me wrong, or is it that you can't.

If you want to attack me again, go ahead I don't care.

166 posted on 06/30/2003 9:29:00 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: Howlin
If there is no article how did you find the date on the non existent article? Hate to do it, but I will post the entire page.

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home / web_exclusives / features / news / The Bush Files

A sampling of the day's best independent news, views, and resources on US politics, keeping an eye on the Bush Administration. Updated each weekday.

Apr. 27, 2001

Bush meat -- The Guardian (UK) George Bush Sr., retired Gen Norman Schwarzkopf, and former Vice President Dan Quayle are members of the hunting group Safari Club International and are assisting that group's efforts to persuade the government of Botswana to allow lift a ban on trophy hunting of endangered lions. The ban was instituted in February, when the pool of breeding males -- the animals preferred by trophy hunters -- dropped to dangerously low levels.

Texas trying to recover from Bush -- Associated Press Texas legislators are scrambling to "de-Bush" Texas, by plugging holes in the budget and undoing Bush-era policies. In the past few months, the state has suffered a serious budget shortfall credited to two massive Bush-era tax cuts the then-governor based on projections of budget surpluses that never materialized. The state has also banned new charter schools after years of a Bush-supported push for school privatization.

Scalia Jr. gets nod from Uncle George -- Various Justice Antonin (or Anthony to his good friend Dubya) Scalia led the charge for the US Supreme Court's historic decision to halt vote recounts in Florida and effectively hand the presidency to George W. Bush. Now Scalia's son Eugene is in line to be nominated by Bush to be the top lawyer for the Department of Labor. Eugene's job in a law office where top Bush attorney Ted Olson is a partner was the source of conflict of interest allegations against his father at the time of the recount case; Scalia Sr. dismissed the allegations.

Apr. 26, 2001

Bush may not seek second term -- Associated Press Maybe he's just teasing, but W seems to be indicating that he hasn't decided whether to run again in 2004. "I'm doing everything I can to keep [my expectations] low," he said.

167 posted on 06/30/2003 9:31:31 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Miss Marple
Thank you.
The first three I'll go along with.
Concerning the fourth, it depends on your definition of Conservative.
The ban on partial birth abortions does nothing to stop abortions. It just describes the method in which they must be carried out.
How can he be taking steps toward the privatization of Social Security and promoting the prescription plan for seniors at the same time? The two are diametrically opposed.
Ahhh, the prosecution of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq I like!
I'll definitely give you the last one, and that is one that is not mentioned often enough.
168 posted on 06/30/2003 9:31:49 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: MissAmericanPie
I saw that, but there is NO article, no context, no outside link.
169 posted on 06/30/2003 9:33:14 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Fred Mertz
"Bush is a politician, plain and simple."

Fred, that's it in a nutshell.
We simply hoped for too much.

170 posted on 06/30/2003 9:34:01 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Miss Marple

LOL! You should listen to yourself...

The article had DUBYA saying that God gave him his marching orders, personally.. Now, believe it or not.. I don't have a huge problem with that.

These things are written about all throughout the bible. God can use anyone and has. Good or bad, doesn't matter. So that's entirely possible, imo.

It then went on and quoted Dubya as saying that he (not God, or with God's assistance, or blessing.. but dubya himself) was going to solve the mideast problem.

Now that's a mistake. If you don't believe me, ask Moses about the dangers of such a boast. And if he said it, then I have very real reservations about him.

But, of course.. as I said before.. It turned out to be a bogus article.

Which you are now using as the cornerstone of your latest "conspiracy"

BTW, think what you want. If you want to think I am a bush hater.. go right ahead.

Much more of his big government, cya, second term, vote buying schemes, and I may get a bumper sticker to that effect just to make it official.

See above.

171 posted on 06/30/2003 9:34:32 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Miss Marple
They post Bush-bashing stuff, and Rush thinks it is the trend.

Bush bashing? A trend? Naw, it's bigger than a trend Miss Marple, it's becoming clear this is much larger than a mere trend or minor fad. It's an event, an event that is drawing a whole bunch of real conservatives to an idea of a different party, a party that may decide to put America, it's people and our sovereignty first for a change. A party that's more concerned with our own people and our own borders than those in Outer Mongolia, and a bunch of Somalis.

A party that actually cares about it's people, a party willing to reduce the size of this monstrous, ever growing government, yet keep our military strong. The two beltway parties are driving this country into a ditch IMHO.

This is no passing trend Miss Marple. Trust me, just looking through the daily threads this becomes inordinately clear. The American people are trusting and patient, but those qualities are wearing very thin.

172 posted on 06/30/2003 9:35:19 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: Jhoffa_
Jhoffa, I am not talking about that article at all. I am talking about your statement that Bush wasn't a Christian.

I am now going to go find it, since you won't discuss it but instead seem to want to hide it by putting up false arguments.

173 posted on 06/30/2003 9:36:49 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: TexasCowboy
Incrimentalism works ! Doubt me ? Look at how long it has REALLY taken our opponents to get what they want. You can't undo everything overnight.

Banning partial birth abortion ( INFANTICIDE ! )is only the first step and one which disallows the murder of full term, just about to be born, can survive outside the womb babies.

Better minds than mine have explained, in detail, how the new drug benefit will hasten the privitization of medicare. We can't even begin to resuggest the privatization of Social Security when the markets are in the first blush of excellorating; no, we needs must be in a full throttle BULL market for the public to want that.

Regarding the word " Conservative " ... far too many assume that they are one, but couldn't give you a REAL definition, if their lives depended upon it. :-)

174 posted on 06/30/2003 9:38:37 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MissAmericanPie
You have the gall to take what " MOTHER JONES " prints as factual, even believeable ?
175 posted on 06/30/2003 9:40:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
it was from a AP story much like this story rush read from you know Ap and BS go together.
176 posted on 06/30/2003 9:42:06 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Miss Marple

There's nothing "false" about it.. the truth is just not good enough for you, I suppose.

Go find it.. and post it twice if you like.

I (and my fellow conspirators.. ) honestly couldn't care less.

177 posted on 06/30/2003 9:43:38 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Jhoffa_
Did you or did you not post that you didn't thnk President Bush was a Christian?
178 posted on 06/30/2003 9:44:55 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: TLBSHOW
The AP isn't always right. Now, what is the problem ? :-)
179 posted on 06/30/2003 9:45:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MissAmericanPie
Ap took the story down as they always do with older ones.
180 posted on 06/30/2003 9:46:51 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
drawing a whole bunch of real conservatives to an idea of a different party, a party that may decide to put America, it's people and our sovereignty first for a change

Put the candidate in jeans and give him a chainsaw. Will probably work. I wish I weren't serious.
181 posted on 06/30/2003 9:47:12 PM PDT by john the bowler
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To: Miss Marple
Sure did..

It's all explained in the posts above.

Go find it and post it if you wish.

It's not a big secret by any means. I just spent the last 30 minutes discussing it with you.

182 posted on 06/30/2003 9:47:20 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Well, Joe, we will see how many people rally arond your new movement. Let me know in a month or two what your numbers are.

I would point out that you are proving my point about third party people.

183 posted on 06/30/2003 9:47:22 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: TLBSHOW
Sooooooooooo ... you and the AP and the folks at MOTHER JONES think that Bush isn't going to run for re-election and even if he does ... what ? That he'll lose because all of those who supported him last time out are going to bail ?

ROTFLMSO

184 posted on 06/30/2003 9:47:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
The AP isn't always right. Now, what is the problem ? :-)

I have no problem with that my dear!

Mother Jones on the other hand is a liberal leftwing nut source!
185 posted on 06/30/2003 9:49:11 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Miss Marple
The actual " latest ", is that Ralph Nader is talking about running again as a fringer.

Let's see ... Howard Dean ( ? ) or one of the other of the 7 dwarves and Nader and the candidates from more than a dozen fringe groups all running against the incumbent President ? LOL

186 posted on 06/30/2003 9:50:20 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: TLBSHOW
Yes and yes. Exactly so and even worse than you labeled that POS mag. LOL
187 posted on 06/30/2003 9:51:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MissAmericanPie
"If I Run Again"


Bush Signs Largest Family Planning Bill In U.S. History

Covenant News ^ | 1/11/02

On Thursday, January 10, 2002, the White House reported President Bush signed the ominous $15.4 billion foreign appropriations bill, H.R. 2506, for fiscal-year 2002. The bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be given to other countries for abortion-family planning activities throughout the world. The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning.
Source

Martini gets OK as Federal Judge - Bush Appoints 5 Pro abortion Judges

Bush Appoints Four More Homosexual Activists


Vote Bush, incrementally destroying America

188 posted on 06/30/2003 9:51:16 PM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: nopardons
My point was to show Howlin that I had not dreamed up the fact that Bush said what he said. I did a google search, this came up I posted it.

He did say it, he didn't seem to be kidding at the time. I'm glad the Associated Press verifies it. As far as the site goes, who cares what it's opinion is?
189 posted on 06/30/2003 9:52:11 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: nopardons
Well, NP, as I understand the ban, it has to do with the disallowing of the baby's head to be outside the birth canal when it's head is bashed open and the brains sucked out.

As far as the prescription benefits for seniors, there is no way to convince me that a give-away of that magnitude leads to anything other than socialized medicine.

I have my own definition of Conservative, and GW doesn't fit it.

Now, I'm very sorry, but 04:30 comes early for me.
I can't stay longer.
Thank you for being here.

190 posted on 06/30/2003 9:53:35 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Uncle Bill
These programs always seem to increase their budgets every year.
191 posted on 06/30/2003 9:54:31 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Uncle Bill

Now, wait a minute..

I thought dubya killed overseas abortion funding. I actually broke ranks with my fellow (ahem) "conspirators" and cheered him for this. (Boy! THAT got the Star Chamber in an uproar, lemme tell you..)

I think he denied these funds.. I know he denied the UN funds for abortion.

I read it right here on FR.

192 posted on 06/30/2003 9:54:52 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: MissAmericanPie
I care, for one. Would you be as cavelier about something posted on a KKK web site, or one funded by al Qaeda, or Jesse Jackson ?

The point is, dear, that the article is a year+ old , President Bush IS most assuredly running for re-election, and that the Bushbashers are going to be crying in their collective beers, yet again ... as ever. :-)

193 posted on 06/30/2003 9:55:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: My2Cents
'Bush...is helping to facilitate a continued shift toward conservatism in U.S. public opinion. '


Waiter...Oh, Waiter...I'll have a double of whatever it is he's drinking. '


194 posted on 06/30/2003 9:56:42 PM PDT by Jesse
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To: Jhoffa_
Either you people need professional help, or there's "conspiracies" everywhere.

I remember that for years I thought conservatives were mean spirited and only cared about number one. I finally grew up and became one and a card carrying member of the Republican party. Once I did, I couldn't believe I ever had fallen for the line of the democrats as mentioned in the beginning of my post.
Lately however, as I read more and more posts from people here on FR who are supposed to be conservatives all working toward the same goal, I can now see why I thought this. Some of you are very mean spirited, calling names, and just plain only caring about your pet projects.

I don't pretend to agree with every decision the President has made because I don't. However, I do agree enough with his general policies, and his character to support him even when I don't get my way.
Am I the only one who recalls Bush saying he wanted prescription drugs for seniors while he was running? He did, and yet you seem surprised that he kept that promise! He is the President of this country, not just your personal puppet, to do all of your bidding.

You want to see socialist? Stick around. If Hillary Clinton reaches her goal and becomes the first female dictator of this country, you will see socialism. What this President is doing is not socialism, it is being the representative of a very large population of citizens who each have different needs and desires. I am not selfish enough to think he is going to do everything I want.

195 posted on 06/30/2003 9:57:00 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: Howlin
Bush Not Evisioning Second Term http://web.archive.org/web/20010501034648/http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010426/pl/bush_interview_7.html

196 posted on 06/30/2003 9:58:25 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: TexasCowboy
Good night.........sleep well.

You haven't all your ducks in a row, so I'll not even attempt to refute you.

It doesn't matter if President Bush is your kind of a Conservative or not. What matters is that it's him, or you go over to the other side. No one is going to now change your mind ; you've managed to close it. 'Nough said.

197 posted on 06/30/2003 9:58:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MissAmericanPie
My point was to show Howlin that I had not dreamed up the fact that Bush said what he said.

So, you actually believe that an article that says:

WASHINGTON (AP) - On his 96th day in the White House, President Bush (news - web sites) was in no hurry to envision a second term - ``IF I run again,'' he demurred - or to dazzle detractors in his first.

Expectations? ``I'm doing everything I can to keep 'em low,'' the president said with a chuckle.

means what you said in this post?

 
Posted by MissAmericanPie to mickie
On News/Activism 06/30/2003 10:52 PM EDT #59 of 195

Bush himself said it. That he might not run again. What a relief it would be if he didn't. I cannot, not vote for a Republican, so I'll just end up writing one in I guess.

And

  Posted by MissAmericanPie to Howlin
On News/Activism 06/30/2003 11:24 PM EDT #97 of 195

He said it during an interview the first few days after the election was settled. It shocked me to hear him say it. Doesn't anyone watch the news anymore? lol

In 2001, after all the rallies and the bitter fight for victory over the Democratic vote fraud machine, I was fired up for Bush and hanging on every word he said like it was gospel.


198 posted on 06/30/2003 9:59:55 PM PDT by Howlin (A vote for Bush in 2004 is just that -- a vote for Bush!!!!!)
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To: ladyinred

It's socialism..

And it doesn't matter if Dubya is doing it Hillary is doing it, the bill is still going to have to be paid.

If you don't like me for being upset about this and think I am "mean" only care about my "pet projects" go right ahead.

Maybe you're too old to care.. You can just reap the benefits and then drop dead.

But I, and a bunch of people I know are going to have to pay for this.

I am not happy about it and if that's "mean" then I suppose I am just "mean"

I don't know what else to tell you.

199 posted on 06/30/2003 10:02:06 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (I am tired of voting AGAINST people.. Give me someone I can vote FOR.)
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To: ladyinred
Am I the only one who recalls Bush saying he wanted prescription drugs for seniors while he was running?

Yes.

Politicians will lie, cheat and steal to get elected. We got a politician when we were hoping for some adult leadership.

200 posted on 06/30/2003 10:03:15 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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