Skip to comments.The Vast Dubya & DeLay Conspiracy
Posted on 06/30/2003 3:59:40 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
The Vast Dubya & DeLay Conspiracy
June 30, 2003
Depending on where you go and in what circles you travel, conservatives are livid with the Bush administration. Some, more so than others, are furious over the size of the federal budget, the failing to rein in any kind of spending, tax cuts for people who don't pay taxes, the Medicare prescription drug benefit, the list continues - and theres a great deal of head scratching going on.
I came across an Associated Press story over the weekend that attempts to shed some light on whats happening, which you can hear me read in the audio links below. However, the story seems to imply theres a conspiracy between the White House and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.
Heres just one excerpt: DeLay has become the most identifiable representative of the party's right wing, and the two Texans have had a sometimes scrappy relationship. Clashes may become more frequent as Bush moves beyond his current phase of fund raising among loyal Republicans and shifts his attention to the general electorate, analysts suggest. At the same time, Bush and his advisers are mindful that if they go too far, they could alienate conservatives whose support he needs. Bush is carefully picking and choosing his fights, said GOP consultant Scott Reed. There's a healthy back and forth between the White House staff and DeLay that is mutually beneficial to both.
The story continues to suggest that Bush is telling DeLay to go ahead and stop what hes trying to do - on purpose. The idea being that Bush can thus claim credit for supporting whatever measure, while DeLay and other conservatives can point to victory for blocking its ultimate passage. A caller later asked: Isn't this the same strategy that Bush used on campaign finance reform, only he is counting on the Supreme Court to shoot it down? You can hear my answer below.
I hope that the lurkers appreciate your tactics.
Oh, put a sock in it.. You're the biggest hypocrite on FR.
Who told me that "some people" (obviously, moi) were always bashing, setting up impossible conditions that the President could never meet and on and on..
And over what? His mistakes?
Being pissed about his pandering is "setting up a condition which can never be met"
That's ridiculous. And anyone with any sense at all would realize that.
To be honest (something you may only have a passing familiarity with) I posted that to what turned out to most likely be a bogus article stating that God, himself, spoke to George Bush and was giving him marching orders.
I may have replied in haste.. haven't decided yet.
I am still considering it.
We certainly don't know what the final prescription drugs entitlement is going to be but I will bet that it will turn out to represent everything that is wrong with our current levels of government control.
Glad he's okay..
Was it a radical leftie defending his favorite bug or something?
Okay, I won't contest your opinion, but I'd like for you or Miss Marple or someone , anyone , to tell me how he has started.
We still have the same number of liberal judges sitting on the benches, we still have the same march toward socialism in our public school system, we are still not allowed to put God back into our public lives, we are still shackled by the PC crap that is strangling our First Amendment rights, we're still battling a daily war to retain our Second Amendment rights, we're on a one step at a time basis toward socialized medicine, we have a real unemployment rate of 12.4% and we still have a border policy that is innundating this country with illegal immigrants.
Now, please, tell me how he's made a good start!
Let me know when you have made your thological decision on the Presient.
Let me know what other "conspiracies" I may be involved in.
It's so hard to keep track now days.
(To quote another FReeper, who shall remain nameless.. I suppose "some people" simply have too much emotionally invested to be ojective.)
Making it plain that we would not approve the Kyoto treaty.
Two tax cuts, despite the ranting from the media an the left.
Increased funding for the military.
Nomination of conservative judges to the bench.
Fighting affirmative action in the Michigan Court case.
Negating several of Clinton's pro-abortion executive orders.
Indicating his willingness to sign a partial birth abortion ban.
Beginning the steps toward partial privatization of Social Security.
Prosecuting both the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq.
Refusing to meet with Yassir Arafat.
Behaving like a decent and honorable man.
The irony here is that I'm almost old enough to benefit from the prescription drug plan, but I see it as the ruination of our Social Security program and a giant leap toward socialized medicine.
Unlike you, I will state my case. I think many of the people who post anti-Bush stuff are not really conservatives or Republicans, but rather third-party members or democrats who have an interest in dividing Republicans. I didnt thnk that of you until I saw that "I don't think Bush is even a Christian" statement.
One who disagrees on policy would confine himself to attacking the policy. When one jumps into an attack on the man's faith, it indicates to me a blind opposition based on the desire to see Bush lose at whatever cost. Only disgruntled third party people and democrats hold this position, since if Bush were to lose in 2004 he would be replaced by a democrat.
Now, either explain your reasoning on why Bush isn't a Christian, or admit that you are dodging accountability for your previous statement.
If you want to attack me again, go ahead I don't care.
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Apr. 27, 2001
Bush meat -- The Guardian (UK) George Bush Sr., retired Gen Norman Schwarzkopf, and former Vice President Dan Quayle are members of the hunting group Safari Club International and are assisting that group's efforts to persuade the government of Botswana to allow lift a ban on trophy hunting of endangered lions. The ban was instituted in February, when the pool of breeding males -- the animals preferred by trophy hunters -- dropped to dangerously low levels.
Texas trying to recover from Bush -- Associated Press Texas legislators are scrambling to "de-Bush" Texas, by plugging holes in the budget and undoing Bush-era policies. In the past few months, the state has suffered a serious budget shortfall credited to two massive Bush-era tax cuts the then-governor based on projections of budget surpluses that never materialized. The state has also banned new charter schools after years of a Bush-supported push for school privatization.
Scalia Jr. gets nod from Uncle George -- Various Justice Antonin (or Anthony to his good friend Dubya) Scalia led the charge for the US Supreme Court's historic decision to halt vote recounts in Florida and effectively hand the presidency to George W. Bush. Now Scalia's son Eugene is in line to be nominated by Bush to be the top lawyer for the Department of Labor. Eugene's job in a law office where top Bush attorney Ted Olson is a partner was the source of conflict of interest allegations against his father at the time of the recount case; Scalia Sr. dismissed the allegations.
Apr. 26, 2001
Bush may not seek second term -- Associated Press Maybe he's just teasing, but W seems to be indicating that he hasn't decided whether to run again in 2004. "I'm doing everything I can to keep [my expectations] low," he said.
Fred, that's it in a nutshell.
We simply hoped for too much.
LOL! You should listen to yourself...
The article had DUBYA saying that God gave him his marching orders, personally.. Now, believe it or not.. I don't have a huge problem with that.
These things are written about all throughout the bible. God can use anyone and has. Good or bad, doesn't matter. So that's entirely possible, imo.
It then went on and quoted Dubya as saying that he (not God, or with God's assistance, or blessing.. but dubya himself) was going to solve the mideast problem.
Now that's a mistake. If you don't believe me, ask Moses about the dangers of such a boast. And if he said it, then I have very real reservations about him.
But, of course.. as I said before.. It turned out to be a bogus article.
Which you are now using as the cornerstone of your latest "conspiracy"
BTW, think what you want. If you want to think I am a bush hater.. go right ahead.
Much more of his big government, cya, second term, vote buying schemes, and I may get a bumper sticker to that effect just to make it official.
Bush bashing? A trend? Naw, it's bigger than a trend Miss Marple, it's becoming clear this is much larger than a mere trend or minor fad. It's an event, an event that is drawing a whole bunch of real conservatives to an idea of a different party, a party that may decide to put America, it's people and our sovereignty first for a change. A party that's more concerned with our own people and our own borders than those in Outer Mongolia, and a bunch of Somalis.
A party that actually cares about it's people, a party willing to reduce the size of this monstrous, ever growing government, yet keep our military strong. The two beltway parties are driving this country into a ditch IMHO.
This is no passing trend Miss Marple. Trust me, just looking through the daily threads this becomes inordinately clear. The American people are trusting and patient, but those qualities are wearing very thin.
I am now going to go find it, since you won't discuss it but instead seem to want to hide it by putting up false arguments.
Banning partial birth abortion ( INFANTICIDE ! )is only the first step and one which disallows the murder of full term, just about to be born, can survive outside the womb babies.
Better minds than mine have explained, in detail, how the new drug benefit will hasten the privitization of medicare. We can't even begin to resuggest the privatization of Social Security when the markets are in the first blush of excellorating; no, we needs must be in a full throttle BULL market for the public to want that.
Regarding the word " Conservative " ... far too many assume that they are one, but couldn't give you a REAL definition, if their lives depended upon it. :-)
There's nothing "false" about it.. the truth is just not good enough for you, I suppose.
Go find it.. and post it twice if you like.
I (and my fellow conspirators.. ) honestly couldn't care less.
It's all explained in the posts above.
Go find it and post it if you wish.
It's not a big secret by any means. I just spent the last 30 minutes discussing it with you.
I would point out that you are proving my point about third party people.
Let's see ... Howard Dean ( ? ) or one of the other of the 7 dwarves and Nader and the candidates from more than a dozen fringe groups all running against the incumbent President ? LOL
Bush Signs Largest Family Planning Bill In U.S. History
Covenant News ^ | 1/11/02
On Thursday, January 10, 2002, the White House reported President Bush signed the ominous $15.4 billion foreign appropriations bill, H.R. 2506, for fiscal-year 2002. The bill authorizes $446.5 million U.S. tax dollars to be given to other countries for abortion-family planning activities throughout the world. The abortion-family planning funds approved by Bush represents an increase of $21.5 million over last year for international family planning.
Vote Bush, incrementally destroying America
As far as the prescription benefits for seniors, there is no way to convince me that a give-away of that magnitude leads to anything other than socialized medicine.
I have my own definition of Conservative, and GW doesn't fit it.
Now, I'm very sorry, but 04:30 comes early for me.
I can't stay longer.
Thank you for being here.
Now, wait a minute..
I thought dubya killed overseas abortion funding. I actually broke ranks with my fellow (ahem) "conspirators" and cheered him for this. (Boy! THAT got the Star Chamber in an uproar, lemme tell you..)
I think he denied these funds.. I know he denied the UN funds for abortion.
I read it right here on FR.
The point is, dear, that the article is a year+ old , President Bush IS most assuredly running for re-election, and that the Bushbashers are going to be crying in their collective beers, yet again ... as ever. :-)
I remember that for years I thought conservatives were mean spirited and only cared about number one. I finally grew up and became one and a card carrying member of the Republican party. Once I did, I couldn't believe I ever had fallen for the line of the democrats as mentioned in the beginning of my post.
Lately however, as I read more and more posts from people here on FR who are supposed to be conservatives all working toward the same goal, I can now see why I thought this. Some of you are very mean spirited, calling names, and just plain only caring about your pet projects.
I don't pretend to agree with every decision the President has made because I don't. However, I do agree enough with his general policies, and his character to support him even when I don't get my way.
Am I the only one who recalls Bush saying he wanted prescription drugs for seniors while he was running? He did, and yet you seem surprised that he kept that promise! He is the President of this country, not just your personal puppet, to do all of your bidding.
You want to see socialist? Stick around. If Hillary Clinton reaches her goal and becomes the first female dictator of this country, you will see socialism. What this President is doing is not socialism, it is being the representative of a very large population of citizens who each have different needs and desires. I am not selfish enough to think he is going to do everything I want.
You haven't all your ducks in a row, so I'll not even attempt to refute you.
It doesn't matter if President Bush is your kind of a Conservative or not. What matters is that it's him, or you go over to the other side. No one is going to now change your mind ; you've managed to close it. 'Nough said.
So, you actually believe that an article that says:
WASHINGTON (AP) - On his 96th day in the White House, President Bush (news - web sites) was in no hurry to envision a second term - ``IF I run again,'' he demurred - or to dazzle detractors in his first.
Expectations? ``I'm doing everything I can to keep 'em low,'' the president said with a chuckle.
means what you said in this post?
|Posted by MissAmericanPie to mickie
On News/Activism 06/30/2003 10:52 PM EDT #59 of 195
Bush himself said it. That he might not run again. What a relief it would be if he didn't. I cannot, not vote for a Republican, so I'll just end up writing one in I guess.
|Posted by MissAmericanPie to Howlin
On News/Activism 06/30/2003 11:24 PM EDT #97 of 195
He said it during an interview the first few days after the election was settled. It shocked me to hear him say it. Doesn't anyone watch the news anymore? lol
In 2001, after all the rallies and the bitter fight for victory over the Democratic vote fraud machine, I was fired up for Bush and hanging on every word he said like it was gospel.
And it doesn't matter if Dubya is doing it Hillary is doing it, the bill is still going to have to be paid.
If you don't like me for being upset about this and think I am "mean" only care about my "pet projects" go right ahead.
Maybe you're too old to care.. You can just reap the benefits and then drop dead.
But I, and a bunch of people I know are going to have to pay for this.
I am not happy about it and if that's "mean" then I suppose I am just "mean"
I don't know what else to tell you.
Politicians will lie, cheat and steal to get elected. We got a politician when we were hoping for some adult leadership.