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Pools are pulling plug on deep ends, fearing safety hazard
Post Gazette ^ | June 30, 2003 | Jason Straziuso

Posted on 06/30/2003 5:05:41 PM PDT by hole_n_one

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:35:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PHILADELPHIA -- The diving boards were pulled up in the 1980s, and now deep ends are being deep-sixed.

The rectangular municipal pool that many Americans grew up swimming, splashing and diving in is fast being replaced by shallow water park-style pools featuring spray toys and water slides.


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To: hole_n_one
The Liberal cry: Just Say NO to FUN!! Remember, fun can kill! Circle/slash fun, etc.

Stay home, wring your hands, bitch and moan about Republicans. Fun takes your eyes off the prize!

Lord help us.
51 posted on 06/30/2003 6:20:04 PM PDT by motor_racer
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To: hole_n_one
Lawyers and insurance companies. Meet the enemy of yesterday and the sculptors of tomorrow.

Like chrome bumpers and fins, the deep end will be deep-sixed. Small children drown in 5 gallon buckets, by tipping over into a few inches of water.

Unfortunately, backyard pools with diving boards were often built in such a way that someone with a lot of 'spring' could easily come in contact with the 'hopper' (where the deep end slopes up to the shallow end). Eight feet was the minimun depth for pools with a board.

52 posted on 06/30/2003 6:23:18 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: hole_n_one
Man, the namby-pamby squad has set their sights on the swimming pools! We taught our three kids to swim when they were babies.

When they were older, they couldn't go into the deep end or off the slide or diving board at the club pool until they demonstrated to the lifeguards that they could swim the length of the pool in addition to swimming from side to side underwater.

Talk about motivation! Kids don't want to be left out, so they practiced until they could do it and bang, they were off to the deep end.

I worry about the sissifacation of the nation's youth.

53 posted on 06/30/2003 6:25:07 PM PDT by csvset
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To: hole_n_one
Another tribute to the American trial lawyers. Thanks for nothing.
54 posted on 06/30/2003 6:29:59 PM PDT by lawgirl (God's divine and all-knowing punishment for the Clintons: America loves George W. Bush)
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To: FourPeas
As a kid, I fondly remember dropping objects to the bottom on the deep end and swimming the 10 feet to the bottom to get them. It developed good breathing, muscles and good planning skills.

The neighborhood pool when I was a kid had a 14' depth and a high dive. It probably wasn't that high but to a little kid, it was like a skyscraper.

I remember summoning every ounce of courage just to climb the latter and jump off. Not dive, mind you, just jump.

After I did this, I spent the rest of the day climbing back up jumping over and over again from that high dive.

I used to love the exhiliration and the water pressure I'd feel by trying to swim to the bottom and touch the concrete 14' below the surface.

I never wore a bike helmet either. And some of the playground equipment was made from steel. And we had bb guns and Estes rockets.

It is a wonder I survived childhood.

55 posted on 06/30/2003 6:32:32 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: PhilDragoo
I'm not in favor of giving Ritalin to children. However, Ritalin does have its good uses. I have known adults with narcolepsy and it has been a lifesaver for them.
56 posted on 06/30/2003 6:36:43 PM PDT by proudofthesouth
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To: hole_n_one
When I was a kid the pool had a deep end, the playground had a slide with two bars instead of a seat to sit on.
We played "army" with realistic looking guns in the park bushes, got into fights without our parents becoming involved, cigarettes cost $.35 a pack and you didn't need an I.D.

Of course I recently learned that the current president back then was doing some young woman too.
Some things never change.

57 posted on 06/30/2003 6:37:18 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: FourPeas
most kids get plenty of swimming in 5 or 6 feet of water. Our swim club that has been around for 30 years only goes to 6 feet. My 6 year old daughters are on the swim team and can swim 25 yards without stopping.
58 posted on 06/30/2003 6:38:02 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Ramius; maica; Freee-dame
Hmm... no deep end, so the kids don't really ever have to learn to swim. Yep. That'll keep 'em from drowning.

Perect retort.

I was in Las Vegas at the Treasure Island last spring. What a disappointment! 4 feet deep, just a big kiddie wading pool.

Lawyers run our country.

59 posted on 06/30/2003 6:38:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Old Professer
And for the small cost of that negligible number, millions of kids developed the deep-water skills to survive the unsupervised visit to the lake or ocean.

Now these kids, left to their own devices, will die in far greater numbers when they walk out into that natural water, and HORRORS! it goes right over their heads.

Blub glub gurgle gurgle.

60 posted on 06/30/2003 6:44:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Moose4
' True sign I saw at the edge of a wave pool in a water park near Charleston, South Carolina--"0 FT 0 IN NO DIVING".


It's common to see a "No Diving" warning, posted next to hot tubs in hotel work out areas,I expect it's only a matter of time,before they will be posted next to the hotel bathtubs!
61 posted on 06/30/2003 6:45:21 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Sabertooth
BTW, people drown at the beach. Will there be a move toward shallow oceans?
Don't say that too loud.  I hear Gray Davis is taking bids on filling in the Pacific. He's sure that he can squeeze it in the budget - after all,  it's for the children.
 
 

62 posted on 06/30/2003 6:46:00 PM PDT by azcap
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To: azcap
You must realize, that life is inherently DANGEROUS! If we won't do everything to protect children from harm then we must take the most charitble action of all: abort them for their own safety!
63 posted on 06/30/2003 6:48:36 PM PDT by motor_racer
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To: Drew68; lawgirl; wardaddy; Squantos; harpseal
The old Las Vegas hotel "The Frontier" has a real honest-to-God throw-back to our days of freedom in the 50s and 60s mega swimming pool.

Sure, at one end of the olympic-sized pool there's a large semi-enclosed kiddie area. But the main pool gradually deepens, fully half is about 6 or more feet deep, and adjoining the deep end is a diving board "cube" about 30 X 30 X 15 feet deep.

You can tell by the marks on the cement they once had a tremendous trio of diving boards of all heights. All gone...

Remember high dives??!!

Remember when Americans were allowed to be BOLD!!!!!!

64 posted on 06/30/2003 6:50:23 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Henchster
OK, you may save water on chemicals and electricity/gas with a smaller gallonage, but a pool that is simply shallower, with the same surface area, uses the same amount of water, as water can only evaporate from the SURFACE of the pool, not the bottom.

And a shallower pool will get warmer too, so there will be *more* evaporation. It will get warmer for a couple of reasons, the major one being that the amount of heat coming in from the sun will be the same, but there will be more water to heat up in a deeper pool. Plus the water will loose energy to the surrounding soil, at least at much depth it will, and a deeper pool has more area at depth to lose heat through.

But then liberals don't really think, they just "feel", especially "For the Children".

65 posted on 06/30/2003 6:51:02 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Travis McGee
Taking my first jump off the high dive is one of the most exciting memories of my childhood. Facing your fears and conquering them is an important step into adulthood. Too badd today's kids won't ever get that thrill.
66 posted on 06/30/2003 6:53:14 PM PDT by lawgirl (God's divine and all-knowing punishment for the Clintons: America loves George W. Bush)
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To: hole_n_one
Too many children drown unattended in bath tubs. From now on all homes should have the removed!!

67 posted on 06/30/2003 6:53:18 PM PDT by armymarinemom
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To: luckystarmom
I wish we had a pool complex like that one where I live in Silicon Valley.

Isn't there a similar facility out in Manteca? A bit of a drive I know, but maybe a once or twice a season treat. There's also a water park in Concord.

68 posted on 06/30/2003 6:55:37 PM PDT by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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To: lawgirl
I know it! High dives were such a rite of passage, and test of courage for kids to face!

Now you have to take your kids secretly to some cliff or tree to have anything like that experience.

69 posted on 06/30/2003 6:57:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: hole_n_one
Tell me this isn't the Onion. Every time I get the wife worked up to finally escape the Big Brother oppression of Europe and move to the States, some article like this surfaces and she gets scared off...
70 posted on 06/30/2003 7:01:50 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Travis McGee
Remember when Americans were allowed to be BOLD!!!!!!

Boldness is a masculine trait that could lead to risk-taking behavior. Risk-taking behavior might possibly be rewarded with success. This outcome would make the kids who do not take risks and do not acheive success feel bad about themselves and this might damage their self-esteem. Therefore, boldness should not be encouraged (especially in boys).

Is the </sarcasm> tag really neccessary?

71 posted on 06/30/2003 7:02:12 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Ramius
The gradual entry thing is interesting. I haven't been to a pool like that, but it sounds like a nice way to do pool design.

Our "muni" pool (that's what we called it) was rectangular about 2:1 ratio, with one entire long side being a sloped suface from zero to whatever the max depth (outside of the diving area) was. IIRC (it's only be 45 years or so) it was that same depth everywhere else outside the sloped and diving areas. It had a separate "kiddie" pool that an adult or older kid couldn't even float in. It also had 3 diving boards, two low and one high (10 feet I think). It was pretty deep down there, 12 feet maybe, maybe 14.

The newer pools, save one, were "L" shaped, with the deep end in the short arm of the "L", and no high board. That "one" was a simple rectangle, with 3 boards in the same configuration, but no "gradual entry. The older one pre-dated WW-II, but I don't know how much, it's a parking lot now, althought the "bath house" is still there. The second one was built in the mid 1950s and the "L"s staring in the late 50s or early 60s. Last I checked, (in march) the nearest "L" to my folks house (about 5 blocks) was still there. I'll never forget the summer before high school when Bonnie I. lost the top to her two piece suit in the deep end. :)

72 posted on 06/30/2003 7:02:14 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Ramius
This is great news for plaintiff's attorneys.
73 posted on 06/30/2003 7:05:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: motor_racer
The Liberal cry: Just Say NO to FUN!! Remember, fun can kill! Circle/slash fun, etc.

Now now, there some kinds of "fun" liberal seem to approve of. Wilding, mid-night basketball, and non-standard sex come to mind.

74 posted on 06/30/2003 7:06:07 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Travis McGee
High dive.....more or less
75 posted on 06/30/2003 7:06:10 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
It's common to see a "No Diving" warning, posted next to hot tubs in hotel work out areas,I expect it's only a matter of time,before they will be posted next to the hotel bathtubs!

I saw one by the therapy pool at the physical therapists earlier today!. That pool is only 6 feet deep, maybe 6'6, but you could easily hit your head on the opposite side if you dived much less than straight down. Still they had the sign, and the depth marking too. Wish they'd let me use, but I just go in to have my shoulder tortured 3 times a week. :)

76 posted on 06/30/2003 7:09:36 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: hole_n_one
They can have my diving board when they pry it from my cold, dead...
77 posted on 06/30/2003 7:12:16 PM PDT by solitas
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To: Moose4
If you swim in a shallow pool you risk hitting your feet on the bottom and injuring yourself. The obvious solution is a water sprinkler, they are much safer and pose lower risk of water. Remember what my statistics teacher taught: most people drown in rivers an average depth of only 4 inches. (sarcasm button stuck)
78 posted on 06/30/2003 7:13:42 PM PDT by POGIFFMOO (illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: luckystarmom
I'd like to know where you get your data for the "most kids get plenty of swimming in 5 or 6 feet". What aged kids? With what swimming skills? How was the survey conducted? What were the criteria used to determine what "plenty of swimming" is?

Whether you are correct or not, you see, *I* don't get plenty of swimming in 5 or 6 feet of water. I like to swim with my children. My five year-old is also a good swimmer and although 5 to 6 feet is adequate for him (now), even at 5'4" it's rather shallow for me to do a descent tuck dive. I'd like to teach him someday, but I'm not cracking my head on the bottom of the pool to do so.

My five year-old loves diving to the bottom after various objects. Our three foot hot tub is pathetically shallow. Two more feet makes it a bit more exciting for now, but it won't be long before he's capable and interested in going deeper.

I agree 5 or 6 feet may be adequate, but who in the world wants to live with adequate when superior is possible?

79 posted on 06/30/2003 7:16:13 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Travis McGee
Remember when Americans were allowed to be BOLD!!!!!!

When I got my first job, they put us up in the nearby hotel for a few days so we could look for a place to live. We found and put in contract on a house the first day of Memorial Day weekend, so we had two days to just lay around the pool and get in some laps AND DIVING. Courtsy of that diving, I got to spend my first few days on the job on crutches. :) Never thought to sue the Ramada people, nor my employer for putting us up in such a "dangerous" motel. I wasn't even covered by their insurance yet, since I didn't start work until Tuesday. We did get a "nice" (??) intro to the hospital were our second daughter was subseqently born, and were several of the family had various operations.

80 posted on 06/30/2003 7:17:04 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Dianna
Get ready for Olympic Free-air High Diving (Imagine diving done much the same as 'air-guitar') much safer and uses less water.



81 posted on 06/30/2003 7:20:17 PM PDT by POGIFFMOO (illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: Drew68
It is a wonder I survived childhood.

Ain't that the truth. I look around and, yes, many of the things we did 30+ years ago (wow, I'm old) had more than a little measure of danger in them. I got bloody noses from dodgeball; I jammed a lot of fingers playing basketball and volleyball and got smacked in the face with the ball a few times; I fell off swings onto hard ground and flipped my bicycle landing on my head. A favorite neighborhood activity was jumping off a seven foot concrete block wall onto the street below. (What were we thinking?) We all survived and, more importantly, we learned from the times when someone did something stupid and/or got hurt. That was an important life lesson that I fear we're removing from our children's lives.

82 posted on 06/30/2003 7:22:00 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: POGIFFMOO
Let it load, it's worth it.......

Iraqi High Diver

83 posted on 06/30/2003 7:24:25 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Travis McGee
When we were kids, my dad would sometimes take us to a nearby swimming hole after work. It had a marvelous tree, in which there was always at least one "Tarzan" rope. The kids who were brave enough would climb the tree, swing on the rope (yelling like Tarzan, of course), and drop into the water. What a thrill it was!

Now the pond is gone. Some blithering fool drained it in order to repair the dam, but of course the dam wasn't repaired, and the underbrush took over all but a small streambed. It was good fun in a simpler day. I wish I could take my kids there when we go visit. I suspect they'd be a bit scared of the dark water and unknown things lurking below the surface. Kids today live a more sterile existence, unfortunately.

84 posted on 06/30/2003 7:25:50 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: FourPeas
Yep, once flipped over the handlebars attempting to go down a steep hill not holding on to said handlebars.
85 posted on 06/30/2003 7:27:23 PM PDT by riri
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To: hole_n_one
So basically it becomes a giant public wading pool for kids to pee in.
86 posted on 06/30/2003 7:29:30 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: FourPeas
Well, I can swim laps in the pool, so I know it is good for swimming. The swim team goes to age 18, and lots of the 18 year olds are on their high school swim teams. The public school has an award winning swim team.

I know the older kids have to swim 50 feet without stopping, and most of them do that in under 40 seconds.

The swim team practices last from 30 minutes for the 6 and unders, 45 minutes for the 6-10 year olds, and an hour for the 11-18 year olds. They swim laps continuously for that duration.

I figure if the pool is good for swimming laps like that than kids can get enough swimming in it. You can also dive in 6 feet of water, so my kids are learning how to dive.

All of my kids swim better than I did at their age, and I had access to a pool with a deep end and a diving board. My parents never signed me up for a swim team. The swim team is why my kids are good swimmers.
87 posted on 06/30/2003 7:32:48 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: FourPeas
As a kid, I fondly remember dropping objects to the bottom on the deep end and swimming the 10 feet to the bottom to get them. It developed good breathing, muscles and good planning skills. Six feet just wouldn't have done it. Children need this sort of activity, whether it's in swimming, biking, dodgeball or whatever. All this silly take-away-the-risk emphasis is breeding sissies.

We used to do that too, it was fun going down 10 - 13 feet and grab the object at the bottom. We used to pretend we were in "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea," "Six Million Dollar Man," and so on. I miss the diving boards were you did funny dives to impress friends or make 'em laugh, cannonballs, and the infamous "Jimmy Superfly Snuka" (a wrestler) dive. B-)

We also made up a game called "Devil" where you had one guy who was "it" be the Devil and the others were "Angels" where the object is to have the "Devil" drag 'em to the deep end, then whoever was dragged became the new devil. The Devil could only spend so long in the shallow end before he had to go and touch the bottom to "recharge" or the Angels would grab the Devil, hold him to the shallow end's wall (for a 10 count) and "drain" him of power. If the Devil escaped, he would have to go and recharge. If the Devil was "it" for a long time, sometimes we'd do "rock, sissors, paper" to choose the new Devil. Every once in a great while, two Angels got dragged to the deep end and you had two Devils. Toss in some growls from the Devil(s) and righteous sayings from the Angels, you had a good time. I think in today's world, that game would be too un-PC, imagine, showing kids that it is good to fight evil. B-P

I'd hate to be a kid now.
88 posted on 06/30/2003 7:34:47 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: hole_n_one
Ugh!--- to your picture in #49. Looks as much fun as sitting in traffic.

When I see pictures of people and pools, I rarely see anyone swimming. They are jumping or splashing, or just standing there. They seem to be enjoying themselves, but the only place I see actual swimming is at a pool in the Y.

The same with the beach/ocean. People float or jump waves, but there's not much serious swimming. I like to swim -- really swim. I like to get way out there and let go. Just the water, the sharks and jelly fish and me.

89 posted on 06/30/2003 7:35:22 PM PDT by Exit148 (Only $2. 78 this week for the Loose Change Club collection bag for the next Freep-a-thon!)
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To: pbear8
The one in Texas was smaller, not crowded, indoors and only cost $3/person.

Raging Waters is out here, but it is crowded, expensive and outdoors in the blistering heat.
90 posted on 06/30/2003 7:35:35 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom
Lap swimming is one part of swimming, but certainly not all-encompassing. See my previous post for other types of swimming for which shallow depths are not adequate.
91 posted on 06/30/2003 7:38:24 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Travis McGee
Lawyers!!??? I have seen swimming pools in motels in this country with fire sprinklers every 4 feet above the pool. Figure that one out!
92 posted on 06/30/2003 7:40:43 PM PDT by POGIFFMOO (illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: hole_n_one
imagine all the piss in that pool.
93 posted on 06/30/2003 7:45:50 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: FourPeas
It's so true. Our kids are shielded from so much of what our childhood contained, that it's like another world. If all these thing were really so dangerous, none of us should have survived to adulthood, and yet most of us have. I had a lot more skinned knees than either of my boys has experienced. Our bikes were basic transportation, with the resultant falls and skinned knees. Our roller skates were the key variety, which had the tendency to fall off when we hit cracks in the sidewalk. When I think about the trees we climbed, it's a wonder we didn't fall out more often and break our necks, but we didn't. I only knew one classmate who ever broke a major bone falling out of a tree, and we all climbed trees and metal monkey bars.

Our experience of recent weeks is that part of the whole safety thing is not just fear of mortality, but fear of medical bills. Our 10 year old son has recently learned not to jump from high places onto hard surfaces and not to get too close to his brother's swinging bat. These encounters have resulted in bills to our insurance company to the tune of nearly $6,000 and co-pays for us of ~$250. All that to diagnose a bone bruise to the heel and place 2 stitches over the eye. Sigh.

94 posted on 06/30/2003 7:47:29 PM PDT by Think free or die
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To: hole_n_one
What a riot. At least there's no chance of drowning.
95 posted on 06/30/2003 7:49:59 PM PDT by POGIFFMOO (illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: motor_racer
The Liberal cry: Just Say NO to FUN!! Remember, fun can kill! Circle/slash fun, etc.


96 posted on 06/30/2003 7:57:32 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason; All
The way things are going, I envision a day when it will be mandated that EVERYTHING be made of "Nerf".

Nik
97 posted on 06/30/2003 8:06:05 PM PDT by Nik Naym
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To: hole_n_one
A sad trend, for me. What's wrong with having to actually learn to swim? Oh, the horror.

I noticed this happening in Las Vegas throughout the '90s, all of the new strip hotels featured waste deep pools where you were lucky to get 4 ft. When I was growing up, we called them 'kiddie pools'.

Moral of the story, build your own or go abroad. Switzerland has some awesome public swimming pools (indoors which means they're 365-available, warm water, and plenty of good diving area). The city I live in spent millions on a 4-pool public facility, very nice. But the forgot the 4 walls and a roof that would make them useful more than the 3 months of swimmable weather we get around here...

98 posted on 06/30/2003 8:07:45 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Argus
They should fill 'em with sand. Then they couldn't possibly drown no matter what they do.

Obviously the best reply to this kind of lunacy.

99 posted on 06/30/2003 8:12:06 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Sabertooth
Screw the soccer, promote water polo.
100 posted on 06/30/2003 8:16:46 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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