Blocking cameras that catch you speeding

Scripps Howard News Service ^ | July 2, 2003 | GREG AVERY

[eno_]

Spoken like a jackboot licker who has no idea of the corrosive effect of police systemic and individual corruption.

Making corrupt systems unworkable is a civic duty.

[Roscoe]

"Blakey said 'photo enforcement has led to a twenty-five- to thirty-percent reduction in intersection injury crashes' in the nearly 70 communities where they have been installed."

http://www.northeasttimes.com/2002/0911/lights.html

[Roscoe]

jackboot licker

Parrot.

[DannyTN]

"I'd bet the roads would be safer if the cops didn't treat traffic enforement as a revenue generator. "

I doubt that. But the local community would be a lot wealthier if Insurance companies weren't allowed to take $20 for the next three years for every $1 of ticket fines.

[AppyPappy]

The executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based National Campaign to Stop Red Light Running

Yeah, I believe him. He's a disinterested party.

[Prolixus]

Amen.

The breaking of any one law leads us to the slippery slope of breaking any law. Let our gold standard be to obey all legal laws and to eradicate all illegal laws.

In the case of enforcement of speed limits, I'm all for it. Think of traffic citations for exceeding the speed limit as a cost of doing business for the reckless driver.

My auto insurance rate is way too high: I am subsidizing the reckless drivers in my state.

[Cultural Jihad]

Making corrupt systems unworkable is a civic duty.

That's the sort of ideologue mindset which motivates Marxist litterers, or the fellow who called 911 over 800 times to bark like a dog. Enjoy your self-imposed unhappiness and irrelevancy.

[Roscoe]

As opposed to sourceless assertions?

"For example, the Charlotte, North Carolina red light camera program cut violations by more than 70 percent in the first year, and crashes dropped by more than 10 percent citywide, demonstrating that these systems have a positive community-wide impact."

http://www.stopredlightrunning.com/pages/537535/index.htm

[Sofa King]

The law needs to be enforced by law enforcement officers, not machines which have no capacity for discretion.

Besides, speeders aren't even close to being the most dangerous people on the roads. One drunk driver is more dangerous than everyone who is going 36 in a 25 combined. Don't even get me started on the people who pull out onto the interstate doing 35 mph, and move straight to the middle lane. Those people should be shot.

[AppyPappy]

Well shoot, if they lowered the speed limit to 25MPH all over the country, imagine the lives that would be saved.

[mewzilla]

You know, it truly amazes me the way some of the people on this forum seem to care more about life inside the womb than outside it.

[Cultural Jihad]

There's certainly nothing wrong with punishing irresponsible and illegal behaviors.

[eno_]

Your auto insurance is too high because you are subsidizing the inability of cops to catch car thieves, making life even more miserable for people who have to live in low-rent neighborhoods. You, then, are asked to subsidize the otherwise uninsurability of owning a car in those neighborhoods.

If the donut munchers were not laying speed traps to pay for donunt runs and busting crooks (check your local solution rates if you doubt it) your insurance would be a lot cheaper. And when was the last time you actually heard of someone ticketed for "reckless driving?" Safety and crime-fighting are not the priorty - money is.

[AppyPappy]

There's certainly nothing wrong with punishing irresponsible and illegal behaviors.

If we had one of these cameras in every home, imagine the number of lawbreakers we could catch.

[Roscoe]

You've moved from sourceless assertions to inane non sequiturs.

Insurance Institute For Highway Safety

April 26, 2001

1st TIME IN UNITED STATES: STUDY FINDS RED LIGHT CAMERAS YIELD REDUCTIONS IN CRASHES, ESPECIALLY INJURY CRASHES Drivers in communities with and without cameras favor using them

ARLINGTON, VA -- Significant citywide crash reductions followed the introduction of red light cameras in Oxnard, California. This is the key finding of the first US research on the effects of camera enforcement on intersection crashes. The study was conducted by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

Injury crashes at intersections with traffic signals were reduced 29 percent after camera enforcement began in Oxnard in 1997. Front-into-side collisions -- the crash type that's most closely associated with red light running -- were reduced 32 percent overall, and front-into-side crashes involving injuries were reduced 68 percent.

http://www.hwysafety.org/news%5Freleases/2001/pr042601.htm

[AppyPappy]

If you don't support a national 25 MPH speed limit, you hate America and want people to die needlessly.

[Cultural Jihad]

"Don't enforce laws against red light runners so long as there is one driver doing 35 in the middle lane, or one drunk behind the wheel somewhere. But don't let the cops chase after the drunkards; make them stand on the intersection looking for red light runners instead, since they have more ... discretion ... than cameras." Makes sense to me (not).

[Roscoe]

But don't intersection cameras violate our Constitutional privacy right to run red lights on public streets without detection?

[eno_]

Is it not true that many, perhaps most, big-city PDs are deeply corrupt? Thousands to tens of thousands of corrupt cops exectly where the crime problems are biggest?

Is it not true that traffic enforcement is a big off-the-books revenue source? Why do the pigs squeal so when laws are proposed that would take ticket revenue away from PDs and rebate it to taxpayers?

Is it not true that red light cams are a known fraud?

Is it not true that laser speed gun makers take a revenue share? How is that not a corrupt practice?

Is it not true that solution rates for property crime are shamefully low almost everywhere, and that even murder and rape solution rates are well below historic norms?

Is it not true that Maryland staties went around gun-grabbing under the cover of the sniper incident? Cops are no longer the conservatives' friend - they are a tool of a corrupt government and have lost legitimacy.

If you are a real conservative, you would fight to retrieve policing from its present condition. Instead you just propagandize for a corrupt, PC-ized, anti-RKBA, way of policing that is becoming ineffective against real crime.

[Cultural Jihad]

Your use of hyperbole only makes you look absurd. I point this out under the assumption that is something you do not desire.