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Games People Play
7/10/03 | William McKinley

Posted on 07/10/2003 3:39:47 PM PDT by William McKinley

Edited on 07/10/2003 5:27:44 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Games People Play


By William McKinley

"If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, Would you believe it?

Games people play in the middle of the night" - Alan Parsons Project, "Games People Play"


The recent fiasco experienced by the New York Times over the creative writing exploits of Jayson Blair should have served as a warning to journalists to be careful over the information they publish. A news outfit depends upon its credibility, just as surely as our society depends upon news reporting in order for people to make judgments over their own governance. Yet it appears that some lessons are not easily learned, as was recently demonstrated by some events which are to this moment still unfolding.

Doug Thompson has been involved in journalism for decades. According to his biography, he has won awards for his reporting and his commentary, and he has worked as Press Secretary for a few members of Congress. He runs a news and commentary webzine called Capitol Hill Blue. Chris Betros is the editor of Japan Today, an English Internet news publication based in Tokyo. Both men find themselves in an uncomfortable position for a journalist, where the story becomes partly about them. I can best describe William Rivers Pitt as a propagandist and a left wing agitator. On July 8th, a sequence of events commenced involving all three that demonstrates that in the aftermath of Jayson Blair, the field of journalism still has not immunized itself from the ministrations of charlatans.

"Things that they say, Honor Brite..."


On July 8th, Capitol Hill Blue published a story titled "White House Admits Bush Lied About Iraqi Nukes". The bold headline was backed by an equally assertive lead-in, which stated "After weeks of denial, the White House Monday finally admitted President Bush lied in his January State of the Union Address when he claimed Iraq had sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa." This assertion went far beyond what other news organizations were reporting, which was that the Bush administration had admitted that the claim made in the State of the Union Address was based on information the President later found to be unreliable. There were other eye-raising details in the story, however.

The article quoted a "CIA advisor" named Terrance J. Wilkinson, claiming he had been present at two White House briefings attended by the President. "The report had already been discredited," the story quoted Wilkinson as stating. "This point was clearly made when the president was in the room during at least two of the briefings" said Wilkinson, who claimed Bush responded in anger. "He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," the Capitol Hill Blue story continued Wilkinson's quote. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country." Wilkinson claimed to have written "numerous memos" questioning the use of "intelligence information that we knew to be from dubious sources." While American troops continue to search Iraq for a smoking gun regarding weapons of mass destruction, these allegations, if true, would be the smoking gun the left wing of American politics has been searching for in their quest to discredit the Bush administration.

On Free Republic, a website where conservatives dissect and debate the news, some people (including this author) started to question the story. The White House admitted Bush lied? Where could such an admission be found? And who is Terrance J. Wilkinson? Searches using various Internet tools such as Google were coming up empty. Doug Thompson joined in the discussion to defend his work and his publication. "The use of the word 'lied' has also sparked some controversy on the Capitol Hill Blue forum as well. It was my decision to use the word. Wilkinson did not accuse the President of lying. I did, based on information from other sources (who would not go on the record) that Bush was told outright that the information had been discredited before the State of the Union address but that he chose to use it anyway. To me that was a lie and I chose to use it in the headline and the lead of the story." Thompson admitted that he chose such a strong accusation because "I'm mad. Bush didn't have to use a discredited claim to justify the war with Iraq." However, Thompson admitted, "The headline is technically incorrect because the White House made no such admission. I have edited the headline and the lead of the story to reflect that." Thompson republished the article with the word 'lied' changed to 'wrong' in the headline, and the lead-in changed similarly. But what about Terrance J. Wilkinson? Thompson stood by his man. "I've known Terry Wilkinson for 20+ years and his decision to go public was a painful one that I'm sure will bring recriminations."

"Ain't gonna spend the rest of my life, Quietly fading away..."


The genie was out of the bottle at this point. On July 9th, Japan Today published the same exact story as Capitol Hill Blue, verbatim, crediting the story to TruthOut. Within hours, the Google News compilation service had it as the head story in its grouping of the news reports about the White House admission that the Niger intelligence was unreliable. I contacted Japan Today, and in a series of emails with Mr. Betros, I informed him that Capitol Hill Blue had backed off of some of the assertions in the article, and further that there was reason to doubt the existence of the Mr. Wilkinson quoted in the story. This information was news to Mr. Betros, as he was completely unaware of Thompson and of Capitol Hill Blue. He informed me that Japan Today had obtained the story from TruthOut, to which his organization subscribes, and which had presented the story as their own. Betros acted quickly to verify what I was telling him, apparently realizing that the credibility of his news organization could be impacted.

Meanwhile, Thompson was starting to have some doubts of his own. Responding to criticism from readers, he decided to pass along some questions to Wilkinson to start the process of substantiating some of the claims made. To his horror, he started to realize that he had been had. "I tried calling Terry's phone number. I got a recorded message from a wireless phone provider saying the number was no longer in service. I tried a second phone number I had for him. Same result" Thompson related. After checking with some other sources within the administration, the CIA, and Capitol Hill, according to Thompson, he realized "that someone has been running a con on me for 20 some years and I fell for it like a little old lady in a pigeon drop scheme." He published a complete retraction and apology, and contacted a lawyer to assist him in minimizing the damage. For several years, Thompson said, he had been using Wilkinson as an unnamed source in his reporting, sometimes as a single source: "over time, I came to depend on him as a source without additional backup."

"Things that they say, Just don't make it right..."


He was not the only one working to undo things. Betros contacted Thompson, and decided to pull from their publication the story. "We had [been deceived] too," said Betros, "because we subscribe to truthout.org and publish their stuff from time to time and being over here in Japan, we don't have the resources to check the veracity of articles we take from overseas... I will however think twice before using any more truthout.org stories after today." He stated that Japan Today would be publishing Thompson's mea culpa.

Despite all the efforts, as of midday July 10th, Google News searches were still turning up the original story's headline and lead in.

How The Google News Search Appeared at 11:00 EDT, July 9

White House admits Bush lied about Iraqi nukes
Japan Today, Japan - 21 hours ago
WASHINGTON — After weeks of denial, the White House Monday finally admitted President
George Bush lied in his January State of the Union Address when he ...

       White House admits mistake about Iraq's nukes - Indian Express
       US denies Blair's claims about Saddam's nukes - Independent Online
       Of Mice and (Con) Men - Democratic Underground


The story also managed to get discussed on CNN. As CNS News noted, Aaron Brown mentioned the news story circulating "that there was at some point a conversation between the president and a CIA consultant where the consultant directly told the president that this African uranium deal was bogus." David Ensor told Brown the story sounded suspect to him, but millions of ears had the seed planted in their heads by the mention. [As an addendum, the Media Research Center points out that Brown's comments were made over four hours after Thompson's retraction.] TruthOut was undoubtedly pleased.

"Games people play in the middle of the night..."


Meanwhile, TruthOut was apparently working to cover some tracks. They removed a copy of the story they had posted on their website, putting in its place at the exact same URL a copy of a Washington Post article. As was captured over at Free Republic, however, their search engine's cache provided evidence that they did have the story up at one time. Later, they published a copy of Thompson's retraction, with the following editorial note provided by William Rivers Pitt:

Yesterday, truthout's lead story carried an article by Capitol Hill Blue that quoted a 'CIA insider.' This insider, a Terrance J. Wilkinson, was reportedly present at two briefings when Bush was informed of, and then dismissed, evidence that his Iraq WMD claims were false. Capitol Hill Blue has run a retraction of that story, which we have printed below. According to Doug Thompson, author of the original story, Terrance J. Wilkinson does not exist, and Thompson has been getting scammed for over 20 years. Something about this story is decidedly strange, but in light of Thompson's retraction, we would be remiss not to run it. I am running down my contacts at CIA and Capitol Hill Blue to find out how all of this took place. We will let you know when we know. - wrp

On TruthOut, Pitt made no mention of how they came to possess the Capitol Hill Blue article to begin with, or why they had sold it to Japan Today without attribution. However, he was not silent on the issue, stating "Japan Today got it from us. I guess they 'stole' it, too since they never asked permission." Something clearly is "decidedly strange" about this story, especially considering that it deals with the run-up to the war with Iraq and since Pitt co-authored a book with former weapons inspector Scott Ritter titled War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know. Ritter was vocal throughout the media attempting to discredit the Bush administration's Iraq positions in the run up to the war.

The fact that Thompson allowed himself to be used to spread false propaganda regarding the administration is somewhat surprising. Earlier this year, Thompson had broken a story prior to the commencement of hostilities in Iraq that he claimed detailed plans by Democrats for undermining the administration after the war:

"Writers and broadcasters friendly to the Democratic cause have already been provided talking points... Capitol Hill Blue obtained a copy of the talking points... The talking points outline a strategy to raise public doubts of the President's real intentions, including: ...--Claiming the Bush administration has "manufactured" evidence against Saddam Hussein and used that evidence to encourage Britain and other allies to join the American fight against Iraq;"

"If I'm telling you the truth right now, Do you believe it..."


So who is Terrance J. Wilkinson, and does he even exist? Doug Thompson claims that the person who identified himself as Wilkinson approached him first when he worked for former Congressman Manuel Lujan of New Mexico. "He seemed to know a lot about the nuclear labs in New Mexico and said he had conducted 'security profiles' for both Los Alamos and Sandia National Labs", Thompson related. Congressman Lujan served on the committee charged with oversight of both labs, and according to Thompson, Wilkinson offered to be involved in assisting them in briefings. "He said he had helped other Republican members of Congress I called some friends in other GOP offices and they said yes, they knew Terry Wilkinson. 'You can trust him, he's one of the good guys,' one chief of staff told me." said Thompson.

If Thompson's claims are accurate, then this paints some disturbing pictures. Which members of Congress were using Wilkinson, and for what purpose? To what information was this person gaining access, and what information was he injecting into the process along the way? At this point, Thompson has become mum, declining to assist me further in finding out more about the identity of Wilkinson, at the advice of his attorney.

The lessons here are plentiful. The news is full of stories, every day, which contain unnamed sources. People gobble up such details at face value, assuming that reporters have exercised due diligence. As Mr. Betros admitted, however, many publications do not have the resources to perform such verifications, and as the Jayson Blair situation demonstrated, those that do can sometimes fail to do so adequately. Publishers are also human, and despite their claims of impartiality bias can impact decisions, as clearly occurred with Mr. Thompson. I wonder how much of Mr. Thompson's anger at the Bush administration was formed by incorrect information being funneled to him by people like the vaporous Mr. Wilkinson. I do not wonder, however, if publication decisions are made, every day, based on information being peddled actively by propagandists with agendas. Clearly, this is a game some people play. We have to take it, or leave it.

William McKinley is a pseudonym. He can be found blogging away on the Internet every day.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bbc; capitolhillblue; ccrm; democratscom; dougthompson; fertik; gregpalast; iraq; lytel; niger; nigerflap; observer; palast; pitt; retraction; truthout; uranium; wilkinson
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1 posted on 07/10/2003 3:39:47 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Sabertooth; MeeknMing; Howlin
ping
2 posted on 07/10/2003 3:41:25 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: William McKinley
Good job.
3 posted on 07/10/2003 3:42:14 PM PDT by Registered (77% of the mentally ill live in poverty, that leaves 23% doing quite well!)
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To: All
Any way I can talk you into making a donation?? Thanks if you will!
4 posted on 07/10/2003 3:43:20 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Doug Thompson
See also:

BREAKING: Conned big time "CIA Witness" to White House Lying about Intel story found to be FRAUD
Capitol Hill Blue ^ | July 9, 2003 | Doug Thompson
Posted on 07/09/2003 4:04 PM PDT by Doug Thompson

Damn, I hate it when I've been had and I've been had big time...

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

5 posted on 07/10/2003 3:44:08 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: Mo1; Pan_Yans Wife; Amelia
See also, from the OTHER thread:
To: Pan_Yans Wife

The six stories that quoted this individual as an unnamed source have been removed from our article database. A search of other news sources through the Internet and on Nexis finds no evidence that any of those six stories were published elsewhere. If a further search uncovers evidence of those stories appearing on any web site or in any publication, we will contact that web site or publication and instruct them to remove the stories.

Why such an effort to get rid of these articles?

Seems like more effort has been put into cleaning hard drives then there was in actually verifying the information

839 posted on 07/10/2003 10:44 AM PDT by Mo1

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To: Mo1

If nothing appears on Nexis, and the media doesn't pick up the story, then it will be left to people like Freepers, to expose the story. A year from now, when looking for the articles, they won't appear. And, no one will remember the true facts. An apparent coverup.

Are Jayson Blair's articles still available? Is it normal to erase all evidence?

If all evidence is erased, what else is hidden? That is what is bothering me. Will anyone ever get to the bottom of this, other than Mr. Thompson? Do the hard drives contain clues about who Mr. Wilkinson is or isn't?

847 posted on 07/10/2003 10:50 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)

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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Were the articles posted on FR?

930 posted on 07/10/2003 11:56 AM PDT by Amelia (It's better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness)

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To: Amelia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/849092/posts
Madman at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/851965/posts
Writer apologizes for "Madman at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave" column

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml
White House admits Bush wrong about Iraqi nukes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/942488/posts
Did Captial Hill Blue Post an Article with Fabrications?

939 posted on 07/10/2003 12:13 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)


6 posted on 07/10/2003 3:54:11 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: William McKinley; RonDog; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; kmiller1k; mhking; ...
Great work, William. Thanks for the ping, RonDog.

((((((growl)))))


7 posted on 07/10/2003 4:00:14 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Lauratealeaf; Excuse_My_Bellicosity; nopardons
Pinging you to this thread.
8 posted on 07/10/2003 4:04:56 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: William McKinley
"Great job" bump.
9 posted on 07/10/2003 4:05:41 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: RonDog
To: Doug Thompson

A bold and fascinating story, Mr. Thompson, but in need of some serious follow-through.

1) Using unnamed sources to discredit another previously unnamed source does nothing to establish your credibility. The way to redemption in a case like this is to lay out all the facts and figures. If you are withholding facts pending a criminal investigation, you should say so, and later disclose those details when such investigations are complete, and in a timely manner.

2) Many of the details you omit would not be prejudicial to a criminal investigation and should be disclosed publicly without delay. Particularly many more of the details regarding this "Mr. Wilkinson", whom you freely name, and specifically how you came to verify and trust him as a source. The key word to your story, in more ways than one, is corroboration, and that requires details that we and your colleagues can check for accuracy. Withholding such details would be suspicious to the point of self-condemnation.

3) Deleting those stories of yours that you claim are tainted, rather than revealing what elements they contained that you are now disavowing, is not a retraction. Having made the admission you have made, it is incumbent upon you to publicly address the validity of each and every story you have written that may have been compromised by this corrupt source. That is by means a simple or painless task, but attempting to hide these stories instead is tantamount to an ersatz coverup, and is questionable in motive.

4) In brief, if you are choosing to come clean, then there is no benefit to only coming half-clean, anymmore than there is benefit to washing only one half of a dinner plate. The veil must be lifted entirely for the truth to be revealed. You have talked the talk, now it is time to walk the walk.

An apology made in earnest is a brave and commendable act. But an apology made in dishonesty or deceit is beneath contempt.

It is now up to you to establish for your readers which type of apology this is.

We'll be watching.

Imal


996 posted on 07/10/2003 6:03 PM EDT by Imal (Worms will forever be tirelessly gnawing at the roots of Liberty.)

10 posted on 07/10/2003 4:06:15 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: William McKinley
Why not ask Aaron Brown why he said what he said when he knew it wasn't true, and refuses to retract it? Aaron.Brown@turner.com
11 posted on 07/10/2003 4:07:10 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War
I don't know that he didn't know. What I do know is that the story was retracted four hours earlier, so if he didn't know, he should have. Further, given that he planted the seeds in the minds of his viewers with the tidbit, he should do the honorable thing and mention that it was proven completely false, and had been being pushed by radical leftists.
12 posted on 07/10/2003 4:09:04 PM PDT by William McKinley (From you, I get opinions. From you, I get the story.)
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To: RonDog; William McKinley
Fabulous job, WM, just fabulous!

Thanks for the ping, RonDog!

14 posted on 07/10/2003 4:15:22 PM PDT by Amelia (It's better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: Registered
And, see THIS thread:

Terrance J. Wilkinson?
Registered ^ | 07.10.03 | Registered

Posted on 07/10/2003 3:29 PM PDT by Registered



CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

15 posted on 07/10/2003 4:18:45 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: William McKinley

My sense is that the Jayson Blair fiasco, the Capitol Hill Blue fiasco, and Ann Coulter's discovery of the amazing Man-On-Every-Street, one Greg Packer, might be the opening bars of a very long symphony.

Packer and Blair are instances of people who like to see their name in the paper. Blair went so far as to actually worm his way onto the staff, but when you listen to the noises he makes, his motivations are not all that different from Packer's. He just loved waking up in the morning to see those Jayson Blair bylines on the front page of the New York Times. Where Greg Packer would place himself where he knew he could get interviewed, Blair made stuff up to make sure his stories would get placed.

This "Wilkinson" character sounds to me like the same kind of guy, except he got his jollies being taken seriously by Important People. To get into the room with the Big Shots, he would make up any damned thing: CIA agent, NSA spook, former Green Beret... who knows what else he's told other people over the years.

There are thousands of such people out there. In any society with 300 million people, you're going to get some nuts of every kind.

Seymour Hersh is a guy who probably has four or five of these clowns feeding him absolute crap. He has no clue. Robert Novak probably has some. Every one of these well-known pundits and reporters is a target for this kind of nut. We may have even had our own right here on FR, the mysterious Quidam. Our media could be full of quotations from absolute frauds.

What makes Doug Thompson so special that he's the only guy who has collected one of these bogus 'experts' among his trusted sources? I'll bet journalism is full of them. Matt Drudge probably gets 50 emails a week from 'secret whistleblowers' telling him the inside scoop from deep inside the Pentagon or the White House... all of it crap. But you can bet that there are one or two that he's never published, but that have been right about a couple of things, and if they keep that up, one of these days....

One would like to think that the Jayson Blair thing scared the bejeezus out of editors across the country. If it could happen at the New York Times, they probably have one or two in their place.

And now they need to start looking for this, too. My fear is that because Capitol Hill Blue is not exactly the epitome of mainstream journalism, the story of what happened here could sink before it has a chance to do some good. Doug Thompson knows far better than I where the platforms are where he should be screaming about this, but I hope he will do so. There's no reason to believe that he's the only person in journalism that has a publicity-seeking nut in his Rolodex.


16 posted on 07/10/2003 4:20:44 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: Admin Moderator; William McKinley
Admin Moderator, I think that the honoree William McKinley had changed his mind about the thread I posted to honor him. I don't believe that he now wants the thread to be pulled.

If it is all right with Mr McKinley, could we have the thread back and the links.

Thanks! If I'm wrong, I will go to the corner of my room for time out!
17 posted on 07/10/2003 4:24:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Reach out and pound the liberals daily! Become a $/day donor to Free Republic!)
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To: William McKinley; Sabertooth
Outstanding work and fascinating read, WM, thanks. Please keep pinging me to any further developments, Sabertooth.
18 posted on 07/10/2003 4:26:22 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: William McKinley
You coulda pinged me to this Bill...we only went to the Vet!!!
19 posted on 07/10/2003 4:27:27 PM PDT by Neets
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To: William McKinley; *CCRM
Posted to *CCRM
20 posted on 07/10/2003 4:37:21 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Nick Danger
Ann Coulter's discovery of the amazing Man-On-Every-Street, one Greg Packer...
That would be THIS thread:

The Times' Designated Man in the Street (Coulter outs Times)
NewsMax ^
Posted on 06/12/2003 9:18 AM PDT by Republican Red

Thursday, June 12, 2003 The Times' Designated Man in the Street

When the New York Times needs to find a man in the street to interview they never have to look very far - they have one on tap suitable for every occasion.

Thanks to a sharp-eyed Ann Coulter, one Greg Packer has been outed as the media's designated man in the street - a role Mr. Packer has played more than 100 times, Coulter discovered...

CLICK HERE for the ressst of that thread

21 posted on 07/10/2003 4:39:33 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: Neets; Sabertooth; Registered
I have some new information.

You know how William Rivers Pitt said that Japan Today never asked them for permission to use the article?

Guess what I have?

William,

A while ago, Truthout did give us permission to post on Japan Today any stories on their web site. Below is the e-mail I got from them authorizing us to do so...


Dear Chris Betros,

Yes, you can reprint these stories in your publication, as long truthout is given full credit as the source.

Best Regards,

Messenger | t r u t h o u t


22 posted on 07/10/2003 4:43:32 PM PDT by William McKinley (From you, I get opinions. From you, I get the story.)
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To: RonDog
Great post RonDog. I do think Doug Thompson is Terrance J. Wilkinson. But, the CIA I.D. looks a lot like Kenny Rogers.
23 posted on 07/10/2003 4:46:10 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf
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Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

24 posted on 07/10/2003 4:46:21 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Coming Soon !: Freeper site on Comcast. Found the URL. Gotta fix it now.)
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To: William McKinley; Dog; Miss Marple; habs4ever
Oh brother!!!

What a story you have uncovered here William!!!
25 posted on 07/10/2003 4:47:51 PM PDT by Neets
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To: Neets; William McKinley
Thanks for the pingy!

Shouldn't DT try to get in touch with CNN and ask to speak to them on air to refute this personally?
26 posted on 07/10/2003 4:56:27 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever
Does he have that much courage?
27 posted on 07/10/2003 5:05:58 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
If he is telling the truth, this is the best way to salvage his reputation, as it may put him on record as looking for his "source"...

If...but again, I don't think such a source existed in the first place.
28 posted on 07/10/2003 5:09:20 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: RonDog
Would you please repost your reply #13. The thread honoring William McKinley is back up and running.

Thanks!
29 posted on 07/10/2003 5:09:35 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Reach out and pound the liberals daily! Become a $/day donor to Free Republic!)
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To: William McKinley
Wilkinson approached him first when we worked for former Congressman Manuel Lujan

Is that a typo? Who's "we"?

30 posted on 07/10/2003 5:11:23 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: William McKinley
Does anyone know of any connections between truthout.org and David Lytel, the former Clinton WH computergeek (see Oracle, etc.) who was so hot to smear Microsoft? (Note that one of the other folks out to nail Microsoft was a top dog at Intel and is now an apologist and PR man for one of the Intel's former employees out in the NOrthwest, Mike Hawash ) there was some very fishy fundraising going on with Democrats.com, and the other election night/post election mystery telemarketers who called suggestive unemployed senile aim-impaired Floridians telling them they might have voted for Buchanan by mistake...

I found on Greg Palast's site (a guy who writes for the lefty Observer in the UK and guess who, the master of misinformation, the BBC) links to two articles, one from Lytel's and Fertik's site DemocRATS.com interviewing Palast and another from Truthout.org interviewing Palast.

DEMOCRATS.COM CHAT WITH GREG PALAST
Democrats.com
Friday Mar 8, 2002 Hosted by Bob Fertik with David Lytel

TRUTHOUT'S MARC ASH INTERVIEWS GREG PALAST
T r u t h o u t - truthout.com
Saturday Feb 2, 2002
Well, we have a president that thinks he can take office without being elected. There are not many limits on what he thinks he can get away with, including, for example, handing out pieces of American policy to his donors. It's serious business. It's a serious business when the votes don't count in this country. So, what I was trying to do, what I had done for BBC and when I expanded the book to include a report that I had never previously published is to show exactly how Bush, the Bush family, stole the presidential vote -- and the republicans of Florida. And what we do is provide evidence which I did for investigations for BBC television and for The Guardian newspaper of Britain -- a shame that it had to be British media which had to find out who got elected president -- but you'll see that information in there, the material I have yet to broadcast and publish.

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:1MwBlnkFnkMJ:www.gregpalast.com/columns.cfm%3Fsubject_id%3D21%26subject_name%3DInterviews%2520%2526%2520Chats+truthout,org+%22david+lytel%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


They're all as incestuous as Arkansas hillbilly hippies on Viagra. Wonder what role Mr. Palast has had this week in playing the press in the UK?

31 posted on 07/10/2003 5:14:49 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
That is pretty curious.
32 posted on 07/10/2003 5:21:12 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: William McKinley
Excellent work! I hope someone will bring this to the forefront of the nation's attention.
33 posted on 07/10/2003 5:24:40 PM PDT by gitmo (Some days you're the dog; some days you're the hydrant.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
It is, in fact, a typo. He, not we.
34 posted on 07/10/2003 5:25:43 PM PDT by William McKinley (From you, I get opinions. From you, I get the story.)
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To: Grampa Dave
See also:
Vote for William McKinley as Freeper of the Year (vanity)
self | 09 July 2003 | Grampa Dave
Posted on 07/10/2003 12:25 PM PDT by Grampa Dave

There is no official award or category as Freeper of the Year.

However, I would like to nominate William McKinley as Freeper of the Year for his incredible work this past week to expose a terrible lie about President Bush!

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

35 posted on 07/10/2003 5:31:31 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: William McKinley
I hoped so. It was either that, or the pseudonymous William McKinley had a little slip-up and let on that HE's been running around with Doug and "Terrance" since 1982!
36 posted on 07/10/2003 5:33:16 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: RonDog
Thank you, kind sir!
37 posted on 07/10/2003 5:35:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Reach out and pound the liberals daily! Become a $/day donor to Free Republic!)
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To: Sabertooth; William McKinley
Thanks for the Ping to this. I read the entire thread yesterday.

Superb job Wm.

38 posted on 07/10/2003 5:44:15 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Dues paying member of the vast right wing conspiracy)
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To: piasa; Registered
Tough crowd.
39 posted on 07/10/2003 5:49:08 PM PDT by William McKinley (From you, I get opinions. From you, I get the story.)
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To: William McKinley; Sabertooth; MeeknMing
Thanks so much for the info. Great job.
40 posted on 07/10/2003 5:51:22 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: William McKinley; Brandonmark; Alex P. Keaton; MeeknMing; JohnHuang2; Dog Gone; Dog; ...
Using the Bush-Cheney '04 ping list because you all need to read this and help out with the research.

This whole deal smells and now we have to wonder how many anonymous sources quoting White House or other Administration sources are bogus. How many meetings they are discussing with quotes from the participants have been bogus?
41 posted on 07/10/2003 5:54:13 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: William McKinley
Dude, you rock! I've been e-mailing your links to all my liberal friends that have been hyperventilating about this "Bush Lied" lie. They're awfully quiet now.
42 posted on 07/10/2003 5:56:52 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Bumpity bump! Good point.
43 posted on 07/10/2003 5:56:59 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: PhiKapMom
This whole deal smells and now we have to wonder how many anonymous sources quoting White House or other Administration sources are bogus. How many meetings they are discussing with quotes from the participants have been bogus?

Very good point, and one we have talked about on this forum for a long time.

Recent events have convinced me that way over 60-70% of those "unnamed senior officials" are the author's vivid imagination of what they'd LIKE to hear, but can't.

44 posted on 07/10/2003 6:03:03 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Dues paying member of the vast right wing conspiracy)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Or they are planted sources from the Clintons! I remember back in 2000, I had access to a talking point paper from the DNC (Hillary) and then that very talking point ended up front page on the NY Times! Someone sent it to me and told me to watch -- the NY Times would run with it! And they did.

I used to think the media was just plain lazy -- now I believe they are totally corrupt!


45 posted on 07/10/2003 6:09:43 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Bush Cheney '04 - VICTORY IN '04 -- $4 for '04 - www.GeorgeWBush.com/donate/)
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To: William McKinley
Excellent job William McKinley, The situation was explained very clear and precise

Thanks a million

46 posted on 07/10/2003 6:13:29 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: BOBTHENAILER; The Hose; bigbuck
Read this for a small example of the Power of FreeRepublic
47 posted on 07/10/2003 6:13:30 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Dues paying member of the vast right wing conspiracy)
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To: William McKinley; PhiKapMom
I've been following this since the first thread. Excellent job William. Thanks for the ping PhiKapMom.
48 posted on 07/10/2003 6:16:22 PM PDT by rwfok
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To: PhiKapMom
I used to think the media was just plain lazy -- now I believe they are totally corrupt!

With a few rare exceptions, I totally agree. Without Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and the like, the propaganda would be almost complete. As we see the media shown to be the liars and RAT sycophants that they are, we will also see a commensurate decline in RAT popularity and acceptance.

Their demise is coming faster than they think.

49 posted on 07/10/2003 6:19:22 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Dues paying member of the vast right wing conspiracy)
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To: William McKinley
Excellent summation! I have a couple of fairly-well placed relatives at the Pentagon who are, as we speak, looking for everything and anything about this Wilkinson character, but so far - nothing...

I am, to put it bluntly, beginning to doubt his existance, and so are they...

Great job, man...
50 posted on 07/10/2003 6:25:41 PM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (There's no place like 192.0.0.1 There's no place like 192.0.0.1 There's no place like...)
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