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Gen.: G.I.s who rip leaders will pay
New York Daily News ^
| 7/17/03
| HELEN KENNEDY
Posted on 07/17/2003 1:35:20 AM PDT by kattracks
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:35:20 AM PDT
by
kattracks
To: kattracks
I understand the soldiers feelings about wanting to come home, but what they said was wrong. Complain to your buddies, complain to your CO's but not to the media who will do everything in its power to make the US Military look weak.
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:42:39 AM PDT
by
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:43:28 AM PDT
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To: kattracks
Son, we're really sorry you can't come home, but while you were busy in Iraq, we had to ship your job to India. We'll let you know when something opens up here.
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:43:31 AM PDT
by
meadsjn
To: kattracks
"I can guarantee you they've never stood out in a checkpoint in the heat of the day, day after day, full battle rattle, always wondering if today's the day somebody's going to shoot me. Do they even care?" one soldier told a Knight Ridder reporter.No honey, they probably haven't but hundreds of thousands of kids just like you stood in the steamy jungle heat of Vietnam for many months. Only they didn't have "full battle rattle" and that's why many of them, including my husband, are dead and you are alive. You're not the first kid to go to war your mouth is bringing dishonor not just to you but to all those who went before you. When you come home, you should find something else to do.
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:45:07 AM PDT
by
McGavin999
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To: Aaron0617
The Fedayeen Saddam and Ba'ath party members attacking us have cable too and they're watching this. They don't see a "bring it on" attitude. Just I want to go home AND we're losing.
Complaining about your own president. Your own civilian leaders in the theatre of war. For the whole world to see and hear. Then begging to go home.
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:52:00 AM PDT
by
Aaron0617
To: kattracks
This is an all volunteer army.
You know the ramifications when you sign on the dotted line...it isn't always just about a free education and "world-wide" travel.
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:53:23 AM PDT
by
Neets
To: Aaron0617
Many soldiers are openly asking why they are in a country that wants them out. Obviously these soldiers aren't in Northern or Southern Iraq. Do these soldiers know what happens if they leave now when there is no military/full police force or govt set up in this country?
How soon do they want to come back and fight another war?
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posted on
07/17/2003 1:54:22 AM PDT
by
Aaron0617
To: Aaron0617
My son is in Mosul with the 101st. He was coming home next month but found out that now it's likely to be November. We were all disappointed, but not surprised. Before he left Ft Campbell back in March, they were told they could be deployed for up to a year.
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posted on
07/17/2003 2:13:34 AM PDT
by
tbpiper
To: kattracks
bump
To: tbpiper
Let your son know how much we appreciate him and those with him.
I tried to get back in but they told me they didn't have a uniform in extra round and something about too old. Guess I'll have to stick to being front row for the homecoming parades.
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posted on
07/17/2003 2:54:05 AM PDT
by
NerdDad
To: kattracks
The 9/11 victims have no 'coming home'.
We will stay until that pit of vipers (aka middle east) is flushed out and squeaky clean.
Then the world will have no choice but to fear (if not respect) the USA.
BUMP
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posted on
07/17/2003 3:06:34 AM PDT
by
tm22721
(May the UN rest in peace)
To: boxerblues
Your absolutely right!
"If Donald Rumsfeld was here, I'd ask him for his resignation," Spec. Clinton Deitz
And I also couldn't help but see Spec. Deitz name is Clinton.
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posted on
07/17/2003 3:18:42 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(Am I going or are you coming? Socialist Democratic = Commie!)
To: McGavin999
The tours in 'Nam were forever and many of our GI's would re-up a 2nd term without any R & R. Or get the R & R for 30 and go right back for another term!
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posted on
07/17/2003 3:19:59 AM PDT
by
JustPiper
(Am I going or are you coming? Socialist Democratic = Commie!)
To: NerdDad
I found a way to serve in the mideast, even being past my prime and unable to lead infantry troops anymore.
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posted on
07/17/2003 3:29:25 AM PDT
by
Eagle Eye
(There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: kattracks
Every soldier complains....the two soldiers who went on national tv to do so broke the Army Code...yes,they will be reprimanded, their careers are over....and their wives at Fort Stewart will have to face the other wives......My hubby has been deployed many times, his return timetable was always broken....that's the way it is, disappointing but expected.
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posted on
07/17/2003 3:56:20 AM PDT
by
mystery-ak
(The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil.)
To: Laxalt
These guys need to think twice before they get married and start a family at twenty years old. To join the Army and then complain when you are sent off to war is indicative of a lack or maturity or a detachment from reality... That's true, but a good bit of the blame rests with the Army itself. In the constant efforts to recruit and retain their members, they have put a lot of emphasis into Quality of Life issues for soldiers, to include providing Child Development Centers on post (this was a big issue 10-15 years ago thanks to the constantly constipated Pat Schroeder), not requiring soldiers of any rank to live in the barracks on the post (used to be, E4 and below had to live in the barracks and were discouraged from having cars), to increasing their pay to make it easier for young married soldiers to live in family housing (on or off post), etc. Unit dining facilities are used less and less, as soldiers now have cars and can either drive off-post or eat in the BK on post; the club system is nearly dead because it cannot make money, because soldiers have cars and drive off-post for entertainment.
The result is manyfold: not only are soldiers becoming more and more distant from the installations and the Army itself (as you pointed out), there is a loss of unit cohesion; barracks and unit mess halls are not just places for troops to sleep and eat, they are ways to get troops to live together and become a unit (and not an "Army of One"). Having the soldiers spend their off-duty hours on-post was a way to keep them out of trouble off-post, too.
The loss of what I call the "military culture", perhaps (over?)romanticized in John Wayne movies, seems in many ways to be a thing of the past. Two years ago I had the opportunity to have a lovely Sunday brunch in the Officer's Club on Schofield Barracks; a year later I was back, and the place had closed. A piece of Americana and militaria that is dying.
Oh well, sorry for the rant...
To: kattracks
"I've got my own 'Most Wanted' list," said a 2nd Brigade sergeant. "The aces in my deck are Paul Bremer, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush and Paul Wolfowitz." Wow, wow, wow. I can't believe I'm reading this.
To: McGavin999
Exactly!
My father, now 83, was in the 34th Division during WW II, which holds the Army record of 517 consecutive days in combat during World War II as part of the North African and Italian campaigns. That stint included months in North Africa before the days of air conditioning.
How soon we forget history and think that everything we do is the ne plus ultra of human existance.
Jack
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posted on
07/17/2003 4:16:11 AM PDT
by
JackOfVA
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